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Komeonix
16-10-2005, 11:57
Hi there, among my first posts to the board, this is sure to cause controversy...
Last night I finally collected my first set of body parts for Uber Trist. I loaded Act 5 up with gold for pots, just in case and had a lvl 89 PnB Mancer in game for assistance if need be. I am a lvl 89 Zealot.
Points are(without gear):
1 smite
20 sac
20 fanat
20 zeal
18 hs
rest in Defiance and requirements
My equipment is:
%375 EbotdZ
COH Wirefleece(65% res all)
Draculs(for leech and lifetap)
Goreriders(CB and Open Wounds)
HoZ(um)
Shako(um)
SoE belt
Perfect Mara's
In hell, I have 75% all res shown, but it is likely higher than that... I'm not a math wizard.
I make the portal and tell the necro that if he is going to die, either save and exit, or die away from the portal or it's over
He is to only enter if I need help.
I learned 2 things from this, my first Experience:
1. Smiters aren't the only ones who can effectively do Ubers, you need Zeal to kill the minions fast enough to get to the bosses without being swarmed.
2. Zealots cannot kill the Ubers, you need smite.
With smite DMG of something like... 400 with fanata and skills items I WEAR(no charms) it took 5 minutes inside to figure out that I wasn't killing anything with Zeal, except for the minions... Meph went down without a fight... his aura was the only thing that was any real danger, and he didn't last long enough to take me down any... no big deal. :thumbsup:
Baal, we lured away from Diablo and his minions and pretty much killed in less than a minute... hardly the terrible guy I've heard he was either... come to think of it... without all of that Godly smiter gear, he was still a chump.
Diablo almost got me... not the lightning, not the fire... the minions... I got swarmed and had to do some Zeal action to save my life... those minions are the hardest part... any sorc that tells me they did the ubers is lying, any necro, sin, Druid is most likely lying... I also doubt barbs, but I haven't played one since .04 Classic era, when lances were in.
In the end, Diablo made the mistake of stepping away from his flock for 2 seconds, and I laid him to rest... immediately after killing D, I was swarmed and got down to like 3 life before putting Zeal back on and filling up again...
picked up a nice sorc torch...
3/12/19
After it was over I was fist pumping and truly excited... but in retrospect, that was the adrenaline I had built up going in, thinking it would be harder than it was... anyway, it should also be noted that my Pala has nothing on switch, and only 1336 life, with no BO.
It can be done, it can be done without Grief, without %29424828 CB, and without a Dedicated Smiter, it takes longer, but a dedicated Smiter will get swarmed and die.
p.s. this isn't really a guide, so I'm not interested in a critique, more just a heads up to those thinking about investing the whole of your D2 Wealth on a stupid phase blade.
chenghao
16-10-2005, 12:42
a black flail would be just as good for pvm smiting :) :D
I will honestly say that I think your incorrect saying that a sorc can't do it or a necro
I've seen Necro's handle the ubers before
thought on my pally I know I can easily handle the ubers but they are not the only characters that can handle the ubers.
Komeonix
16-10-2005, 13:30
I do almost 7.5k dmg with no charms with Maxed Sac, Zeal and Fanat... and I hit at the fastest(I think) BP possible
I would think that my char prolly hits at at least 5 times per second, times an average of about 35k dmg per second... that being said, Zeal didn't take bosses down even so much as a visable fraction of thier lives... all it did was ensure a full orb for both life and mana the whole time... when I got low, I switched to Zeal and fixed the problem, and then started with my 1 point in smite +8 with skills items, I think I actually have about 10 in smite, after items.
Still only does 500 dmg.
I think my point is, it doesn't take even a decently built Zealot to beat the Ubers. In fact, this one is going to be a mule, or deleted in the next day or so.
As far as a sorc or Necro doing ubers...
How did they kill the poison/magic/fire/cold/lightning/phys immune monsters?
they didn't. that's how. Even if they dealt 40k Lightning dmg, I was doing that in 1 second and hitting CONSTANTLY and it didn't budge them. Even a maxed Blizz, Fireball, Lightning Sorc couldn't deal DMG faster... I think maxed hammers would be HAAAAAAARD pressed to even begin to try and kill in Uber Trist.
So what build of Necro and sorc did you see doing Uber trist... and did they do it by themselves? My max Blizzard sorc, with max res's lasted about 30 seconds.... and I'll give you a hint... static field takes about 1/1000th of the life it normally does in Uber trist... so let me know, because if a sorc can do it with as few problems as a Pala, I'd rather do it with one of them.
And a black flail is worthless to my pala, who is a Zealot, with which, DMG COUNTS.
Razherrt
16-10-2005, 14:43
As far as a sorc or Necro doing ubers...
How did they kill the poison/magic/fire/cold/lightning/phys immune monsters?
they didn't. that's how. Even if they dealt 40k Lightning dmg, I was doing that in 1 second and hitting CONSTANTLY and it didn't budge them. Even a maxed Blizz, Fireball, Lightning Sorc couldn't deal DMG faster... I think maxed hammers would be HAAAAAAARD pressed to even begin to try and kill in Uber Trist.
So what build of Necro and sorc did you see doing Uber trist... and did they do it by themselves? My max Blizzard sorc, with max res's lasted about 30 seconds.... and I'll give you a hint... static field takes about 1/1000th of the life it normally does in Uber trist... so let me know, because if a sorc can do it with as few problems as a Pala, I'd rather do it with one of them.
And a black flail is worthless to my pala, who is a Zealot, with which, DMG COUNTS.
3 Words: My Infinity Merc. :lol:
Its Almost a walk in the park when you do 15k max dmg on lightning. And your merc has level 12 conviction aura. And also -51% to enemy lightning resist, which also removes immunes. End of story.
AnimeCraze
16-10-2005, 18:43
I can tell you that you don't even need dupe words to do the ubers. The most expensive piece of equip in my setup is my HoZ, and the rest are at most Mal each. :lol: I did have 6 rows of crappy life charms (+30 life plain gc, +15 life plain sc) that my zealot found while playing the game. Holy shield gives me a 1k smite, and that with the CB on Heaven's Light, Gores, and Duress is enough.
As for necro doing Ubers, it's not Bone or Poison necros. It's the summoner with their Udder revives. Pitlords are not immune to physical, and you can amp the rest or use mages. AI curses works well, I heard.
p.s. this isn't really a guide, so I'm not interested in a critique, more just a heads up to those thinking about investing the whole of your D2 Wealth on a stupid phase blade.
Does this mean Grief? Grief's cheaper than an eBOTDZ...
kingdryland
17-10-2005, 03:25
I have done the ubers numerous times using purely zeal. Zeal doesn't kill? Guil face,stormlash, duriel's cell,gore rider, sanctuary sacred rondache,draculs,angelics,loads of resist charms to confront meph,t-gods...Nothing too expensive,and it surely kills. The main difference in my build is that I have only 1 point in defiance and I pumped blessed aim instead for the ar.
Now I'm using grief pb/fortitude and all of them go down fast. Smiters connect more but zealots compensate more or less by hitting faster (yes max zeal is faster than max smite)...even without angelics but just metalgrid/raven/rare all res,leech,ar bonus ring. Deadly strike (20 from grief,15 from gore 15 from guil) works wonders with zeal. I won't ever bother making a pure smiter for ubers.
EpicFrozt
17-10-2005, 03:50
My conc barb soloed trist once. :D Although it took close to 20 mins :lol:
I'm going to ask a very stupid question maybe, but I have been away from the forums and the game since 1.09 and I've just come back.I have forgotten so much that I feel quite ignorant. Could anyone explain to me why, If i understood correctly, smite is far superior to zeal when it comes to take down the ubers? Assuming the % of cb used in both types of attack is the same (because I assume Komeonix used the same gear, that is, he didn't have a six ber phase blade on switch for smite, or did he?), taking into account that the damage of zeal is infinitely superior to that of smite, and that zeal is slightly faster (4fpa), how comes zeal hardly scratched the ubers' skin and smite did short work of them? The only reason I can think of is smite ALWAYS hits and zeal doesn't. Could it be the answer? In that case why not build a zealot with conviction instead of fanaticism? A zealot that always hits, just like smite. A kind of hybrid with sufficient physical damage to leech life and mana, a lot of poison and and open wounds to help, and demon's limb on switch for inmunes?
I'm sorry if all this is stupid.
well for one with zeal its still possible althought takes much much longer because with zeal your attacking 5 enemies at once which mean your going to hit the uber alot less than with smite and they replenish life pretty quick and prevent heal is useless.
smite will lock on w/e uber w/o wasting attacks on the minions around him, like zeal, with smite if your constantly hitting him youll leech from your dracs or w/e keeping you pretty much safe from the minions around and if your hitting him the whole time(instead of hitting around him also) youll kill them quicker.(its also possible for a zealer to do but youll wanna smite the ubers themselves, even lvl 1 smite can handle it)
Look at any of the equipment suggested for Smiters Vs the Ubers and you'll find that they include
Crushing Blow
Open Wounds
Life Tap
Resistance Stacking
Some Uber equipment combinations are
* 5 x BER [+ Shael] Phase Blade + Draculs [Maxed cb, Open Wounds, Life Tap]
* 65% - 70%cb LAST WISH Runeword + Guilluame's Face + Draculs [Maxed cb, Open Wounds, Life Tap]
* 2 x BER +3 Pally Skill Heaven's Light + Guilluame's Face + Draculs [Maxed cb, Open Wounds, Life Tap]
BLACK Runeword + Guilluame's Face + Draculs + Goblin Toe [Maxed cb, Open Wounds, Life Tap]
* Wear Marrowwalk Boots with the above to instantly cast Life Tap making your job easier
Some use a Life Tap Wand/Dagger on thier switch weapon
The rest of your equipment you can use to stack Resistances.
The difference between a Smiter and a Level 1 Smite user, is that a Smiter will deal more damage and thereby leech more life when Life Tap is in action. This means that they don't need to rely on Potions to replenish. Life Tap is the only way you'll leech life from Uber Mephisto.
A Smiter will also finish off the Ubers more quickly, but in terms of time, you're talking about a minute or so faster to kill all 3 Ubers in a solo game.
5 minutes is the most it should take you using the above equipment and a Level 1 Smite. Of course having alot of Hit Points means you can take a few hits and it goes without saying that Holy Shield should be activated.
Komeonix
17-10-2005, 17:33
I can't even find ONE Ber, let alone 5 and a shael for a phase blade.
The idea that it should cost either all of my D2 equipment, or all of my real life money to attain the items needed for Uber Trist is absurd. I think the idea of building a character explicitly for doing ubers is also going against the idea of playing the game...
Do any of you ever feel like all you do is Baal runs? And you do it to build a char up to lvl 90ish, so you can attain "wealth" by running the Ubers with a char that isn't really viable for anything else, with gear that is laughable for any other situation. Then, you get a torch, which you will use solely on a character that won't get passed lvl 90, and only so you can gain more "wealth"
Amidst all of the baal runs, I see about 2-3 games a week that are actually people playing the game... like... not rushing, not baaling, not magic finding...
How many of you have a char that has EVERY waypoint in the game? For all difficulties? Then the next question, would be WHY?
Let me guess which ones you mostly have... essential waypoints for rushing others, or your own chars... usual magic finding spots... and of course the River of Flame, and the Baal running waypoint... anyone know it's name?
Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic, but what I am getting at, is that I intend to use my paladin to kill every monster, phys immune or not, in the game... not just for ubers.
Further, I tried to trade my EbotdZ for a Grief last week and was laughed at and called a Noob... by a 15 year old kid... I'm 24... and I've played Diablo since the day Diablo 1 came out... Grief is a lot more expensive in terms of actual money, or Diablo Wealth than my Ebotdz, trust that... maybe not on your realm or planet, but in mine, it gets me called Noob by a kid that still had his clothes picked out by his parents when I started playing this game.
When I got Baal alone, I was hitting HIM 5 times a second for ~30k dmg, and it didn't budge him... what did, however, was my 1 point in smite with a UM HoZ, hitting every time I used it--though I didn't leech enough with Smite to use ONLY that, as I had to Zeal to recover mana.
So to be honest, I could have used a Gul dagger, and LL/ML rings with res's and my UM HoZ shield and 1 point in smite and still killed them all.. so long as I could maintain the mana and life to do so.
AnimeCraze
17-10-2005, 21:12
Well said!
Personally, I find that even a BotD or a CoH expensive. Therefore, I made a budget fana zealot with lvl 1 smite to deal with the ubers. I can just say that it works. He can do everything in the game (a bit slower on phy immunes, I need to get scantury aura). Ubers takes less than 5 minutes.
Also, why does people socket Ber Ber into Heaven's Light? Isn't Shael Shael a lot better in general game play? (or Shael something) 63% CB is more than enough. (Heaven's Light, Gores, Duress) Use Kira's for stacked resist, and salvation if necessary. That is a lot cheaper than CoH. As I have said before, the most expensive equip that I have for the encounter is my Upped HoZ. Everything else is cheap. I estimate my gear is about 2 ist um.
Well said!
Personally, I find that even a BotD or a CoH expensive. Therefore, I made a budget fana zealot with lvl 1 smite to deal with the ubers. I can just say that it works. He can do everything in the game (a bit slower on phy immunes, I need to get scantury aura). Ubers takes less than 5 minutes.
Also, why does people socket Ber Ber into Heaven's Light? Isn't Shael Shael a lot better in general game play? (or Shael something) 63% CB is more than enough. (Heaven's Light, Gores, Duress) Use Kira's for stacked resist, and salvation if necessary. That is a lot cheaper than CoH. As I have said before, the most expensive equip that I have for the encounter is my Upped HoZ. Everything else is cheap. I estimate my gear is about 2 ist um.
What gear?
Just to address some comments.
Yes BER's are expensive or hard to find, that's why I have listed the BLACK Runeword combination for a cheaper build. The most expensive equipment would be Dracul's the rest shouldn't cost much. In fact it won't surprise me if you were able to make the BLACK Runeword before getting Guilluame's Face :p
A 2 x BER +3 Heaven's Light is listed because if you have to sacrifice Guilluames' Face [some like Shako, or Kiras], you won't need to make up much for crushing blow. Additionally the +3 Paladin skill is useful for builds that want to go the Conviction path, instead of Salvation.
A Level 21 Conviction nullifies Uber Mephisto's Conviction and is better than Salvation because you don't drop DEFENSE. [tested]
Unfortunately the disadvantage of Conviction is that it uses more skill points just to get it to Level 1, which isn't a problem for a Smiter build, but will test the limits of a build such as a Hammerdin.
The object of this thread was to show how a Level 1 Smite can be used to solo Uber Tristram, or the least compromise to your build for the sake of quick killing the Ubers.
AnimeCraze
18-10-2005, 05:02
What gear?Not to hijack the thread, but here it goes:
+3 Heaven's Light (shael skull, mana leech here for normal game play)
Upped HoZ (diamond)
Gores
Dracs
Duress Dusk
Kira's (ral)
Carrion Wind (for leech in normal game play, wanting to replace this with a BK ring if I can)
Raven frost
Highlords
Discipline belt (forgot name)
Life Tap wand/pally spirit on switch
The heaven's light and HoZ is among the lower ED ones. I think I have max resist after salvation against meph. I guess even replacing the HoZ with a spirit is ok too.
Edit: I am assuming that a low HoZ is Ist um.
Edit 2: I have almost all WP's most of the time. The usual exceptions are Arreat Plateau, Frozen Tundra (those are hard to find), Great Marsh, Halls of the Dead, (you don't have to go there), Halls of Pain (you figure that one out :lol: )
When I got Baal alone, I was hitting HIM 5 times a second for ~30k dmg, and it didn't budge him... what did, however, was my 1 point in smite with a UM HoZ, hitting every time I used it--though I didn't leech enough with Smite to use ONLY that, as I had to Zeal to recover mana.
So to be honest, I could have used a Gul dagger, and LL/ML rings with res's and my UM HoZ shield and 1 point in smite and still killed them all.. so long as I could maintain the mana and life to do so.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry to keep asking the same question, but the mystery still remains for me.
As chubz said, if there are enemies around you'd be wasting hits on them so zeal wouldn't be very effective. Then I understand, but if Baal, for example, is alone, and all 5 hits are landing on them with every zeal, I can't understand why zeal is useless and smite is effective IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION. I'm asking out of sheer wonder and ignorance.
:confused: I didn't quote properly. Sorry, Komeonix.
Komeonix
18-10-2005, 09:59
you got it right though... I wanna know why smite is so different...
Zeal didn't budge him... even when it did(I had high AR, I bet I MIGHT have missed 1 out of 20 swings) it didn't keep him down long enough to even get my hopes up that I might kill him eventually with Zeal... indeed, I was ready to save and exit...
then I thought "hell, I've been smiting phys immunes with lifetap for ages to break them slowly down" and I mean, LITERALLY within 3 minutes it was over... I checked and had lvl 10 smite with skills... only 15% crushing blow or whatever from Goreriders...
a lot of people think I coulda traded the Mara's for a Highlords... perhaps, but I valued surviving to fight another day, over a speedy kill.
in the end, smite took him down to nothing in mere seconds by comparison.
WHY?
And Jimeous nailed it with an analysis of what this thread was intending to go for...
Smiters aren't as uber as they like to think they are... I own them in duels daily, why should Trist be any different? My one point in smite was all it took, and Zeal saved my donkey... that is all.
AnimeCraze
18-10-2005, 10:47
I know that if I am lvl 80, even if my AR is infinite, I can only hit 84% of the time because of the lvl difference in the formula. Now, your AR is not infinite, and their DR is not 0, which makes matters worse. Also, I heard that smite cannot be blocked, and those guys have rather good block as well, like 50%. So, 84% * .5 gives you a not so healthy 42% chance to hit...... :eek: Compared to smite, which always hits, this is way off.
Consider you attempt to zeal them once per second (since the rest of the hits goes to the minions), with say 90% hit, and 50% block, you hit them about...... once per 2.22 seconds.
Now consider smite, which always hits, and can't be blocked, at 4 times a second, you hit them about......once per 0.25 seconds.
The difference is rather huge here.
There is even more incentive to use smite if you maxed holy shield, which should easily bring your smite damage to 1000. :lol:
Edit: This is considering that you don't have 10x PCombat charms or whatever expensive overpowered runewords. Grief would make the smite damage insane.
AnimeCraze
18-10-2005, 10:47
Eh...... Double post, sorry.
So it turns out damage is not as important as a very high chance to hit and consequently a very high frequency of cb and ow being applied. How about then a zealot using max conviction instead of fanaticism? Wouldn't it somehow secure a high % to hit? Moreover, with the combined effect of ow and tons of poison damage monster regeneration (no elemental damage with smite, I think I rememeber)would be cancelled. Then perhaps zeal would more effective. Also, for general gameplay, it would ensure a more efficient treatment of physically inmunes. With items providing high elemental damage on switch for PI It would be a kind of hybrid between elemental zealot and pure physical zealot. Still, when the boss has not been isolated, I guess smite is the best way to bring them down.
even using zeal/conviction they still have block so they will still block a % of ur hits , with smite they wont block a single one and you will hit them every time you swing, zeal may be faster atk speed yes, but attacking 5 separate enemies at once ultimately your attacking the one you want too hit(the uber) alot less, if you go conviction in stead of fanatacism youll lose the ar % from it only to lower there defense(kind of pointless really) and fanatacism will add alot of dmg, conviction adds nothing else useful.
kingdryland
18-10-2005, 13:38
To put some gasoline to the fire I will claim that a fana zealot that uses grief/forti plus dracs gores and guil (50%cb 50% ds life tap,prevent monster heal and ignore target's defence) can be equal to a smiter in uber tristram, Why? Grief/forti damage is insane and the fact that it is itd will ensure that 95% of your zeals hit the minions and the raw damage and crushing blow ensure that you 'll be killing them faster than the ubers cast them.A smiter may find himself surrounded while focused on the uber...In my case it is always my zealot hitting an uber and 2-3 minions around that just help me refill my hitpoints due to life tap... And if you use angelics and have points in blessed aim (pvm) you may well have an ar easily above 16k so probably at least 3 or 4 of 5 zeals land on ubers anyway,and many times you 'll be one on one with them. I don't know why people miss alot against them,not maxed zeal or low ar? And the crushing blow effect is the same whether we talk about smiter zealot or kicksin for exampe. When we talk about the absolute budget uber killer smiter seems to be best choice I agree but when using high end gear I don't see why zealots can't do the job just as fine as expensive smiters.
AnimeCraze
18-10-2005, 19:01
I think that with Grief, your smite damage is also going to be insane. At that point, it doesn't matter what you hit them with. But then......, you would not have 16k AR with my kind of gear. Also, even in lvl 90, with 16k AR, you will hit the ubers themselves 75% of the time because of the level difference. Factor in block, it's about 2 hits of 5. It should still work very well, but your 1 point smite should do just as well with lifetap.
The thing is, you don't need a dedicated smiter, even with budget gear. My own has 1 point in smite only, and allow +skills and holy shield do all the work.
twelvebagger
19-10-2005, 06:05
I understand this thread.
The function of smite, or the big benefit to it, I should say, is that hits land.
Logically, one could assume then, that 1 point in smite should be sufficient.
Doesn't seem to absurd to me.
Logically, one could assume then, that 1 point in smite should be sufficient.
You are right , 1 point in smite + a lot of Crushing Blow, is enough to kill ubers. I tried myself with a crappy pala (no max res and not even max block) and it worked. But to be honest, it was a pain : I died several times, I had to drink many purple pots and though I quickly lowered their life to a thin red line it took ages to give the final blow.
Maxing smite helps to correct this :
- more dmg = more leech from life tap, nearly no potions needed
- more dmg = the killing blow comes faster
I tried this on a new pala, and it works fine to me. This can easily be tested : drop one point in smite, have a try and max it only if needed ;)
Komeonix
19-10-2005, 16:14
No, I think this last post missed the point...
lots of crushing blow only speeds up the process...
The only crushing blow I had was on my Goreriders, which is like what... 15%? :lol:
It's not necessary to have a ton of CB, a ton of lifetap, a ton of anything... possibly leech, to keep up with the conviction...
with draculs for the lifetap, and gores for the CD and open wounds
there is no need for anything else but maxed resists, or a ton of pots... keeping in mind that this was my first run at this, I have no done the ubers 5 times since then with the same setup, and making attempts at getting cheaper on it... sacrificed the EBoTDZ for a Black Battle Hammer
now, I know I could have used better, faster, more expensive, etc... but the point is that I'm trying to do this with stuff that even "noob" could come up with... slowly getting cheaper.
Next time, I'm taking off the COH and putting on a Guardian Angel... got rid of the few life charms I had, as well... also started a new char, removed all the wasted points(though while doing a run, I also lvled and tried to put points in vit, but got hit by gloams and accidentally put 3 points in energy)
it's going pretty well, though... I hit Baal(the real baal, not uber) at 85% right now at lvl 76
No, I think this last post missed the point...
Are you talking about my post ? I may be wrong but I think we say the same thing : uber can be killed with a "crappy" pala using only one point in smite. I did it with a frost zealot, that was not built for this at all. It was hard (I don't consider myself as a very good player) but doable. I just point out that a better gear or more points in smite help to make it faster and survive without drinking tons of pots.
OhNoMatt
19-10-2005, 20:40
I think there are a few necessary things to do the ubers, and people tend to exaggerate how much of them you need. These would be (in order of importance):
1) some way of keeping your life up (i.e. lifetap)
2) resistances
3) some amount of crushing blow
The amount of resistances you have are very important, but I think people exaggerate the danger of Meph a little bit. Yeah, you need to stack, but look at your options as a Smiteadin...
It doesn't matter what weapon you use in terms of damage, which means you can equip Wizardspike. Unless you're a richie rich using Exile, you're going to use Upped HoZ or even a Elite Spirit Shield with decent res (my smiteadin uses this, it works fine) which gives you even more insane resists. You also don't necessarily need fanat although it helps a lot, which means you can use salvation.
You can use the Treachery bug (all you need to make that is a Um or something right?) and get +60% resists before you enter the portal without having to wear anything. Add to this stacked single resist charms, which you can get very cheap (you don't need 11% unless you're one of those I-must-have-perfect-everything people). Resists = no longer an issue.
Crushing blow, someone already mentioned - you need at least some, but the amount you have basically just determines how fast the Ubers life goes down. I think 50-60% is a comfortable amount personally.
Now, one question - has anyone thought of using a Kicksin for the ubers? I had a kicksin friend helping me, and I gotta say Cloak of Shadows made it INSANELY easier since the minions didn't do anything. It seems to me like with Fade, high attack speed, Cloak, and (like the smiteadin) more weapon freedom, a kicksin might be a good alternate Uber choice. Thoughts?
kingdryland
20-10-2005, 10:32
Now, one question - has anyone thought of using a Kicksin for the ubers? I had a kicksin friend helping me, and I gotta say Cloak of Shadows made it INSANELY easier since the minions didn't do anything. It seems to me like with Fade, high attack speed, Cloak, and (like the smiteadin) more weapon freedom, a kicksin might be a good alternate Uber choice. Thoughts?
One of my friends has a kicksin and we usually team together to do tristram (don't like soloing,it is too easy to be fun) and it works pretty well,I know she is is using uped gores duress dracs stormlash and guil face (umed kira's vs mephi). If you decide to make one you probably won't regret.
AnimeCraze
20-10-2005, 11:05
All that you REALLY need:
Resist, dracs, gores, and an good shield (pally spirit would do).
Maxed HS, max fana if you are a fana zealot.
My gear has all that, and does not contain a single high runeword (read: dupeword). I am proud of it, since I personally designed it after reading some guides. It has all of above, with 63% CB and stacked resist. 75% resist all with salvation is nothing to be laughed at (even with meph doing his job).
As for using wizzy, isn't using a heaven's light and replace guillaume's with Kira's better? 85% resist all if you um it, and you can actually zeal with that thing unlike wizzy.
Komeonix
20-10-2005, 16:06
DarkSight Helm actually has Cloak of Shadows Charges on it...
so assume that I removed the UMed shako..
UM a Darksight, still have the res's... cats cloak of shadows and even the Ubers would be screwed... smite smite smite smite, cloak... smite smite smite....
there goes meph...
smite smite smite, cloak... smite smite smite... there goes baal...
seems like it'd be viable.
p.s. none of my runewords are containers of duped runes, all were self found.
AnimeCraze
20-10-2005, 18:21
p.s. none of my runewords are containers of duped runes, all were self found.Self found Zod, Vex, and Ber?? You play non-ladder? I can't see that happening on ladder, since even I did some fair amount of trading to get my HoZ.
zeal cant hit ubers? apparently u need to work better on the AR, maybe ur charms and gears.
dual angelic + cbf mod + good dmg wep will kill faster than smiter, and leech off more during lifetap.
Beside, smiter is more expensive to build than a zealot.
no grief smiter basically sucks if u dont have max smite, max holy shield, and dont even think about the pcombat gcs since they are more expensive than a grief.
AnimeCraze
21-10-2005, 02:25
zeal cant hit ubers? apparently u need to work better on the AR, maybe ur charms and gears.
dual angelic + cbf mod + good dmg wep will kill faster than smiter, and leech off more during lifetap.
Beside, smiter is more expensive to build than a zealot.
no grief smiter basically sucks if u dont have max smite, max holy shield, and dont even think about the pcombat gcs since they are more expensive than a grief.Please do remember that they have 50% block AND even with infinite AR, you will hit them at most 90% at lvl 90. Multiply the two numbers together to get 45%.
Besides, we are talking about PvU, not PvP build here. CB is all that really matters. You don't need a 10k smite. You just need to get better than that 45% hit ratio.
Please do remember that they have 50% block AND even with infinite AR, you will hit them at most 90% at lvl 90. Multiply the two numbers together to get 45%.
Besides, we are talking about PvU, not PvP build here. CB is all that really matters. You don't need a 10k smite. You just need to get better than that 45% hit ratio.
yes, they have block, so u will probably miss half of the time. but with ur ridiculous low smite dmg like 1.5k it will take u like forever to kill them. (since they regenerate so fast) zeal can easily get 2.5k+ with fana and if u have better wep it will go even further.
CB only works good on ubers in the beginning, (opening hits) once u get to half way of their life bar u will start seeing cb wont work as much as good as before. Like it only takes u like 4 mins to get their life down to 1/2, but then it takes a long time to bring down rest of their hp. The rest of uber's hp depends on ur actual dmg more than just cb%. ive both zealot and smiter i know that it really sucks if smiter doesnt have good gears, while zealot u just need good AR, some good dmg, and he will leech faster and kill ubers faster.
Btw, without properly decent gears, u cant even solo ubers. a smiter without a hoz or not enough dmg is just lame. Sometime it requires u "good" gears to be "worthy" to against ubers, otherwise it's just a waste of keys.
if u say zealot cant hit ubers than how other chars like barb can hit them? zealot can achieve the most AR among them.
AnimeCraze
21-10-2005, 06:06
The gear I posted above works. I have ~1k smite, and they still die. I think it's because of the OW that I have on my gear. Yes, I noticed that it takes takes a while on the last silver, but it still kills them good. My zeal is only ~2k due to the quality of my gear, so I really don't feel like zealing them. Anyways, 4 minutes to get their life to 1/2? I don't think it took me that long to kill 1 of them, let alone getting their life to 1/2. Yes, I do have a HoZ, but that's the most expensive gear that I have. I reckon that it works even if I switch it to a spirit.
The truth is, I am not even building a smiter. I built a straight forward fana zealot with 1 point smite + maxed HS...... Heck, I was running salvation full time when I killed meph, so my smite damage is probably very low. The only thing that I really noticed is that I need to chunk pots and rejuvs against him, but that's no big deal.
As for the reason that my zealot can't hit them? I don't have much expensive equips, and I don't feel like using dual angelics since I would lose my ravenforst. Besides, with a pitiful 1.1k life, not being able to very consistantly leech = dead.
Edit: I don't think I will post in this thread again...... I have hijacked it enough already. Last words here: You don't need dupewords to kill Ubers. :clap: (FYI, no combat charms neither)
3 Words: My Infinity Merc. :lol:
Its Almost a walk in the park when you do 15k max dmg on lightning. And your merc has level 12 conviction aura. And also -51% to enemy lightning resist, which also removes immunes. End of story.
15k max dmg? Is this a joke? People get up to FIFTYk max dmg...
In that case, wouldn't 50k sorcs completely screw Uber Trist over? No, they don't, sorcs are almost useless when doing Uber Trist...
Komeonix
22-10-2005, 05:41
It's official.
I just did the uber quest in 3:48
that included waiting for them to appear. I had the exact stuff I had before, only I got rid of the life charms(moved them to a new char)...
final placement of items is:
shako(um)
375% ebotdz
HoZ(um)
COH wirefleece
goreriders
p mara's
p raven
draculs
string of ears
current lvl 80.
absolutely no points but 1 in defiance
max HS
Max fanta
Max sac
Max Zeal
base +1 in smite(going to add to smite, instead of defiance)
at lvl 80 I can solo any area of the game, I run for baal--I tele baal, I solo baal--I never die, and I could lose a lot of my gear and still do the ubers in under 5 minutes. I'm going to work on another build, this guy is too easy to play with, honestly.
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