My Faithzon and her progress, Need some advice vsing other bowzons.

[Freezing Rain]

First to give some character specs.

After BO:
900 Life/300 Mana
1.5k-6k Guided Arrow
About 4-5k Max Multi-Shot
19k AR with Multi-Shot
-20-20 all resists, they suck i know.

For FHR, i hit the 32% breakpoint, going to try and stick 4x more 5fhr scs to get the 52% one.

In pub's i go BM and use 20ias/kb/15dex crafter hit powers, gm duels i use a +2/20ias/+8dex pair of gloves. Nosferatu's either way.

Against barbarians (Weapon/SS) i run, fire 1-2 guided arrows between sprints, and if they WW wrong or get caught behind a ledge etc, i barage them with guided arrows, i can take most of them unless they are BvC and tele on me.

Against hammerdins, i just gill them in about 4 arrows. Smiters are easy as well, my only problem is with chargers.

Against other zons.. my BIG problem is other bowzons. From the few i've had so far, it's first to hit = winner, unless we are BM and use SM, in which it's whoever dodges them faster.. (or pulls out the eth titans and wacks them)

Sorceress's i always go BM, i only lose to high power TS sorcs, blizzard sorcs, and a few good orb sorcs that know how to tele.

Necro's.. pretty easy to outrun slowed spirits/spears/teeth.

Druids.. haven't seen any yet apart from the occasional windy, and if i can't GA lock them they tele and make short work of me.

I'm thinking about trying to get high resist rings with mana leech. (5%+ / 20 or more to 2-3 or 10 or so to all.

So far my charms look like this:
1 bow skiller/31 life, Torch, 6 or so 10max/AR's, bunch of FRW's, a few dexers, and 10 or so 15+ lifer scs.

I was thinking about swapping out the maxer's but they give so much damage.. as soon as i get another decent one i'll probably swap the bow GC out. I'm going to try to improve the lifers to all 20's.

Any suggestions for dueling/charms? My gear is pretty good IMO, just that i'm trying to swap out my manald for a 20dex+/5%+mana leech ring. Resists are peachy.

[Rauth]

Only suggestion I have is against windies. Always try to start a duel against them reasonably far away, otherwise they will be on you too fast. Also, don't forget to kill their minions with a few quick multis before sending GA's out to finish the job. If you run as soon as the druid can get in range for a namelock, a lot of times you can get away and GA lock him because of desynch. Running downward would probably work best, since nados start at the top of the druid and work their way down pretty slowly. Overall, you should be able to kill quite a few windies that way, but a good one is just going to win period, so don't worry about it.


As for charms, I don't see more life helping you much, since just about everything is going to kill you in one hit regardless. Might as well go all the way glass cannon if you are going to build that way.

[Freezing Rain]

Only suggestion I have is against windies. Always try to start a duel against them reasonably far away, otherwise they will be on you too fast. Also, don't forget to kill their minions with a few quick multis before sending GA's out to finish the job. If you run as soon as the druid can get in range for a namelock, a lot of times you can get away and GA lock him because of desynch. Running downward would probably work best, since nados start at the top of the druid and work their way down pretty slowly. Overall, you should be able to kill quite a few windies that way, but a good one is just going to win period, so don't worry about it.


As for charms, I don't see more life helping you much, since just about everything is going to kill you in one hit regardless. Might as well go all the way glass cannon if you are going to build that way.

I find 900 life is good enough to survive a glancing bow from a trapasn's lightning sentry, ww from a barb, etc.

I'm trying to figure out if 10max GC's / 3max SC's give me more damage then 5dex LC's.

[GkT]

Actually, almost all of the Bow Zons that are 'decent' say anything over 1.2-1.3k Life is good enough. 900 LIfe isn't enough to survive 1 hit from almost anything...& with 1.2-1.3k Life, that's BEFORE BO. You need to work on Life. Why are you using a Bow GC? Also...KB isn't really BM. I think it's fine for Zons unless you stack Slow or Psn.

Edit: Sorry if my post isn't too conclusive or w/e but I'm just glancing through. A few more tips. Get 150 FRW & you will be pretty well-off. It Desynchs at that BP, I believe (not sure if that takes into account how heavy your Armor is). Also, work on getting more FHR, Zons already have horrible FHR...you need as much as you can without sacrificing too much.

Also, is this Ladder? Bc if it is, you should be fine, but if it isn't, just work on FRW & Life.

Oh & you can always have a Kira's in your Stash or some Res SCs /w Life.

Uh...& just think about using KB all the time, it's not BM. Especially when almost all Zons used WF before.

[Freezing Rain]

Actually, almost all of the Bow Zons that are 'decent' say anything over 1.2-1.3k Life is good enough. 900 LIfe isn't enough to survive 1 hit from almost anything...& with 1.2-1.3k Life, that's BEFORE BO. You need to work on Life. Why are you using a Bow GC? Also...KB isn't really BM. I think it's fine for Zons unless you stack Slow or Psn.

Edit: Sorry if my post isn't too conclusive or w/e but I'm just glancing through. A few more tips. Get 150 FRW & you will be pretty well-off. It Desynchs at that BP, I believe (not sure if that takes into account how heavy your Armor is). Also, work on getting more FHR, Zons already have horrible FHR...you need as much as you can without sacrificing too much.

Also, is this Ladder? Bc if it is, you should be fine, but if it isn't, just work on FRW & Life.

Oh & you can always have a Kira's in your Stash or some Res SCs /w Life.

Uh...& just think about using KB all the time, it's not BM. Especially when almost all Zons used WF before.

Ah okay, i like my gloves anyway. 20ias/kb/15dex/small resists.

Hm, i have like 700 life before BO.. (argh), so i guess i'm going to have to get some FRW/Life sc's or such.

If i use kira's, that would mean i no longer hit a 7fpa guided.. i don't know if this is super important vs. sorceress's but i like firing at this rate.

I have very little frw.. 20 or 30 from WT's, 30 from cat's eye, that's basically it. So i'm pretty screwed in that area, i have no idea how i'm going to get more.

[SlainByPain]

What kind of people are you dueling? Lightning sentry WILL kill you in one hit with 900 life. Same goes to killing hammerdins in 4 hits.. though you won't lose do those no matter what... However, if you're comfortable with dying in 1 hit from everything, it should work out nicely. Just use your KB gloves all the time. I haven't heard of KB being BM since .09, and never more BM than slow.

Against BvCs (aka fast teleporting dualwielders): If they are REALLY good at tele/ww, just spam GA until they reach you, then switch to jav/shield and LF at them. Careful not to get caught in triangle WW though.

Against windies: Again, javs are your friend. Multi them until they get 1~2 screens away then LF. Switch to bow between teles unless they have the highest FCR BP, where you should stay on javs and LF (for safety).

Blizz sorcs: Good ones will cause alot of trouble.. If they are defensive, use multi and be VERY careful not to get hit by one. If they are offensive, run in random patterns and shoot a couple of arrows right after they fire a blizzard at you.

Chargers: Always WALK once they reach you. LF step LF step.

Orbers: Might need to get a bit more FRW for these, I can acutually outrun orbs with my bowazon.. Once you can, it's pretty easy to duel these.

Bowazons: Dueling one is a test of skill.

Charms: Are you on NL or L? I can give one advice either way. NEVER use bow skill gcs. The +1 to bow is equal to 5% ed..

[Freezing Rain]

What kind of people are you dueling? Lightning sentry WILL kill you in one hit with 900 life. Same goes to killing hammerdins in 4 hits.. though you won't lose do those no matter what... However, if you're comfortable with dying in 1 hit from everything, it should work out nicely. Just use your KB gloves all the time. I haven't heard of KB being BM since .09, and never more BM than slow.

Against BvCs (aka fast teleporting dualwielders): If they are REALLY good at tele/ww, just spam GA until they reach you, then switch to jav/shield and LF at them. Careful not to get caught in triangle WW though.

Against windies: Again, javs are your friend. Multi them until they get 1~2 screens away then LF. Switch to bow between teles unless they have the highest FCR BP, where you should stay on javs and LF (for safety).

Blizz sorcs: Good ones will cause alot of trouble.. If they are defensive, use multi and be VERY careful not to get hit by one. If they are offensive, run in random patterns and shoot a couple of arrows right after they fire a blizzard at you.

Chargers: Always WALK once they reach you. LF step LF step.

Orbers: Might need to get a bit more FRW for these, I can acutually outrun orbs with my bowazon.. Once you can, it's pretty easy to duel these.

Bowazons: Dueling one is a test of skill.

Charms: Are you on NL or L? I can give one advice either way. NEVER use bow skill gcs. The +1 to bow is equal to 5% ed..

:D ..I think i missed the part about putting a point in LF. I can still do it now if i level my character and do the missed NM quests, but is it necessary? I don't know if it will do any real damage. Also, i have a 5bo CTA on switch.

[Rauth]

:D ..I think i missed the part about putting a point in LF. I can still do it now if i level my character and do the missed NM quests, but is it necessary? I don't know if it will do any real damage. Also, i have a 5bo CTA on switch.
As I understand it, it's not so much for the damage, as to keep you from being killed right away. It tends to make people block, which will slow them down enough to get a GA off or two. I know this works pretty well against the average windy. Of course, a good one will just be on you too fast for you to do anything, and if they really want to be mean, doom makes you pretty much stand there and die regardless.

[Freezing Rain]

I had a few more duels today.

VS. Hammerdin: Easy. He teleported, ran toward me, i just backed off and fired a few GA's. When i was far enough, i spammed him, threw him into block lock/kb lock and he died. Beat him about 10 times.

VS. Fire sorceress: For the BM duel, i used SM and ran around GA'ing him. She had no block but used ES, and with my high damage i dispatched her easilly.

VS. Fire sorceress: For the GM duel, we started out, and i summoned a decoy, bo'd it, and stood right next to it. As soon as she started fireballing the decoy, i ran left and pumped a few GA's into her, which through her into lock, then i just dodged a few more fireballs and killed her.

VS. Bone necro: This one was hard, his teeth almost had me a few times. I eventually got him down with a few GA's, and beat him. But, a couple times i couldn't get out of bone prison so he won. We were pretty evenly matched.

VS. Multi/LF/GA zon: This one wasn't too hard, we stood 100 feet away eachother and multi'd eachother.. i dodged back and a few missed because they spread and i had enough space to get through. I won a few times, she won once.

VS. Fury druid: He never touched me, 2handers=instant KB lock and death.

that's it for today, i'll update later or tommorow for new experiences :).

[GkT]

150 FRW is NECESSARY for dueling anybody who's any good at all...Zons are only half-decent in PvP bc of their speed & dodging skills...

[blobswannabe]

go to amapk///1 to find mannered zon duels. there are a lot of good zons there but they don't allow poison.

[Freezing Rain]

I'm ladder east by the way.

And uh.. FRW.. how the heck am i suppose to get any? I'm stocked up on max/ar/life charms right now, i'd have to drop alot to get some 3% Frw scs, and that would take ALOT of scs. I have about.. 25% from WT's and 30% from cat's eye, which only gives me 55%. I would need 31 frw charms, which would be like -1000 max damage and 200-300 life, with probably a couple thousand AR points also. Is it really worth it? Or i could just use a titans/lidless (Don't know what shield to use.. i only have 108 max strength, and i have max block with every shield because of my 500 dexterity [messed up, need some life now]). That's, what, another 30% frw? 21 sc's then.. I could run with titans (For a bit of blocking as well) then just switch to bow when they make a mistake? dunno..

[blobswannabe]

I'm ladder east by the way.

And uh.. FRW.. how the heck am i suppose to get any? I'm stocked up on max/ar/life charms right now, i'd have to drop alot to get some 3% Frw scs, and that would take ALOT of scs. I have about.. 25% from WT's and 30% from cat's eye, which only gives me 55%. I would need 31 frw charms, which would be like -1000 max damage and 200-300 life, with probably a couple thousand AR points also. Is it really worth it? Or i could just use a titans/lidless (Don't know what shield to use.. i only have 108 max strength, and i have max block with every shield because of my 500 dexterity [messed up, need some life now]). That's, what, another 30% frw? 21 sc's then.. I could run with titans (For a bit of blocking as well) then just switch to bow when they make a mistake? dunno..

try and get a circelt with 30 frw, 30 frw from boots and 30 from titans and 30 from cat's that's already 120 which is good enough for a ladder zon. MOst zons switch a lot between titans and bow too since you can block and run like a mofo on java mode. Also 1 point in light fury will do decent damage it's really worth it.

[Freezing Rain]

try and get a circelt with 30 frw, 30 frw from boots and 30 from titans and 30 from cat's that's already 120 which is good enough for a ladder zon. MOst zons switch a lot between titans and bow too since you can block and run like a mofo on java mode. Also 1 point in light fury will do decent damage it's really worth it.
Then i would have IAS problems since i'm using mavs (ias jewel) to break the 95% ias i need for a level 14 fanat GMB to hit 7fpa.

[GkT]

I think a +3 Passive/30 FRW/2 Sockets, 30 FRW/3 Sockets, 90+ Life/3 Sockets, or something to the tune of + Passive or Zon/FRW/Life/Str/Res/Dex/Sockets Circlet would be the best chioces...

If you're going to get FRW, go for 150 or stick with whatever amount you have. 150 FRW is when Zons can Desynch.

[F1R3STR1D3R]

What's your account/char name on USEast SCL I think I've dueled u

[luis19]

who hab dueled me on useast cuz some of u migh hab duel me in pubs and got bmed so i apologize k unless u bm me first then i dont apologize.

if u want teh duel with me *dirtydozen131
i hab
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godly mf bliz

[sheepe2004]

Try using that swordback hold shield with titans, you have max block with that dex and it gives a very nice amount of open wounds. If your using forti and 120/45 helm then you will do nice phys damage with light fury but you have max block as well to help keep you alive.

[Freezing Rain]

Sorry for not responding..

GkT:
30% FRW as a suffix can only appear on rare circlets, and the maximum sockets on a rare circlet is 2. Therefore i would be 15% ias under what i need, making a FRW circlet not even an option.

Firestrider: *KireiRayPvP // Char Name: HerStupidity

luis19: i don no if i hab dueled yo on useast cuz maybe i got bm'd but i dont bm so i dont know why bm would to me.. kk, if you want teh duel me *kireiraypvp i hab faithzon kk

sheep2004: I will try that. I'm using fort, but no 40/15's.. as it's ladder.

[SlainByPain]

Sorry for not responding..

GkT:
30% FRW as a suffix can only appear on rare circlets, and the maximum sockets on a rare circlet is 2. Therefore i would be 15% ias under what i need, making a FRW circlet not even an option.

.

False. Magic circlets can spawn with 30 frw. However... 30 frw 3 soc circs go for 200x + currency on NL...

[SlainByPain]

Against bone necros: If they're using bone prison, SM them and you should kill them before they kill you. If they tele inside the boneprison, you can acutually try jabbing him (the extremely fast attack rate of jab usually does alot more damage than shooting a few arrows at a time while in dodge lock). Make sure to kill the golem first though.

The main reason I have LF is against windies. It tears their summons apart pretty fast.

All you can do against holy freeze is to BM them back.

[luis19]

a max block nec cant lose to a bowazon, unless they are stupid or very poorly geared.
sm'd or not.
u only need to use prision if they sm u, otherwise it just makes the inevitable faster.

[blobswannabe]

a max block nec cant lose to a bowazon, unless they are stupid or very poorly geared.
sm'd or not.
u only need to use prision if they sm u, otherwise it just makes the inevitable faster.

it's easy to beat average necs with a zon.

[SlainByPain]

Yet, BP is BM IIRC. I've also had numerous occasions where I can just run past the bone prison.