Godly cheap unheard of weapon

[fredsta54]

for a pvp speeder, at least

I was just in a dueling room earlier, just watching as i dont have any duelers on ls3 yet, and i saw a speeder doing what speeders do, own pubbys. But this 1 was diffirent. I could tell that he had open wounds, huge range on his wepn, and massive slow. I could see he had hawk on, and was 2hed, so he coulnt have had opn wounds, could he? he also was not wearing clegs for slow, as he had no knockback. How could this be? I asked him to show me his weapon-

Woestave, unique halberd. 65 max dmg, 50% open wounds, 50% slow, freezes target, range 5. Wow. It ruled.

open wounds= main source of dmg. The low dmg wepn still does like 500 ww dmg which is more than nuff in conjunction with open wounds. The slow means they cant run.

Er, yeah thats basically it :)












Fred

[Akukami]

for a pvp speeder, at least

I was just in a dueling room earlier, just watching as i dont have any duelers on ls3 yet, and i saw a speeder doing what speeders do, own pubbys. But this 1 was diffirent. I could tell that he had open wounds, huge range on his wepn, and massive slow. I could see he had hawk on, and was 2hed, so he coulnt have had opn wounds, could he? he also was not wearing clegs for slow, as he had no knockback. How could this be? I asked him to show me his weapon-

Woestave, unique halberd. 65 max dmg, 50% open wounds, 50% slow, freezes target, range 5. Wow. It ruled.

open wounds= main source of dmg. The low dmg wepn still does like 500 ww dmg which is more than nuff in conjunction with open wounds. The slow means they cant run.

Er, yeah thats basically it :)

Fred

*is speechless*

Who would've thought that such an unpopular weapon could own? I'm keeping the next one I MF.

[fredsta54]

*is speechless*

Who would've thought that such an unpopular weapon could own? I'm keeping the next one I MF.

Yah, its basically free :lol:

My first pvp char (now that ive started sccl) will be a ithara speeder with this baby.

A barb with 40% r/w from inc speed, and 60% from gear, and 50% slow on his weapon... its basically like a cheetah chasing a sloth







Fred

[Zodijackyl]

OK Fred, you make that barb, then try to tank one whirlwind from my 227 martel MFer.

The problems with this build are:
1. Most barbs will kill you one WW
2. Hdins will kill you before you get to them, and they can charge away despite the speed
3. Any barb using irathas and 30frw boots has low AR. Woestave has no base AR, which means you probably can't hit a sorc using a nice def mage plate or high grim shield. Even with 120ar 15dex rings, you'll still have weak AR. Pumping dex will make your life situation worse.
4. Only 50% chance of open wounds will hardly hurt enough to kill most
5. Irathas+hawk will give you little room to stack cold res as much as needed. I find I should have at least 200 CR base. In hell with a shield I try to get even more (50 from hell, 95 max with hawk/irathas, and -140ish from cold mastery, this means you need near 300 CR)
so 65 all res from irathas. even w/o stacking, you'll have 15 all in hell. the 70 more you need to max res will be tough with 2 rings, a helm, and boots. plus stacking cold resistance as much as you need will be hard.

If you do make a woestave barb, duel ANY of my chars with it. It's not a viable build :(

[fredsta54]

OK Fred, you make that barb, then try to tank one whirlwind from my 227 martel MFer.

The problems with this build are:
1. Most barbs will kill you one WW
2. Hdins will kill you before you get to them, and they can charge away despite the speed
3. Any barb using irathas and 30frw boots has low AR. Woestave has no base AR, which means you probably can't hit a sorc using a nice def mage plate or high grim shield. Even with 120ar 15dex rings, you'll still have weak AR. Pumping dex will make your life situation worse.
4. Only 50% chance of open wounds will hardly hurt enough to kill most
5. Irathas+hawk will give you little room to stack cold res as much as needed. I find I should have at least 200 CR base. In hell with a shield I try to get even more (50 from hell, 95 max with hawk/irathas, and -140ish from cold mastery, this means you need near 300 CR)
so 65 all res from irathas. even w/o stacking, you'll have 15 all in hell. the 70 more you need to max res will be tough with 2 rings, a helm, and boots. plus stacking cold resistance as much as you need will be hard.

If you do make a woestave barb, duel ANY of my chars with it. It's not a viable build :(


1.Any 2h speeder will die in 1 ww from a 227 mart mf barb
2. Hit with open wounds, run, wait till they r weak, they dont run to well with 50% slow.
3. It will have enough ar to hit at least twice per ww which = 1 open wounds triggering which is the whole point. I suggest + ar resist rings, and in conjunction with woestaves base dex req, its more than nuff to hit.
4. Open wounds on a lvl 90 char does over 800 pvp dmg. 500 ww dmg is also good enough to hurt significantly.
5.With rich mans gear, i also wouldnt use full ithara, a setup of godly rares is indeed better. However, itharas is the next best thing, and the r/w is rele nice.

Zodi, your opinion is biased because you are rich, and you duel on nl where you supposdely have 3k worth of sojs. This build is more for a ladder player who is poor, but still wants to own.

This weapon does work, im not saying its the best, but its an alternative way of dueling, and the mods on it are so convinient for 1 weapon.


Also, having less cr just means that the cold sorc will kill you faster, You should be playing defensively anyway, until you see an opening to get a succesful hit in







Fred

[Papasmurf90]

How do you think woestave would be on a PvM Char? I just found one and am thinking about making a WW barb with one...except nobody duels on HCCL. :)

[stanzaman]

How do you think woestave would be on a PvM Char? I just found one and am thinking about making a WW barb with one...except nobody duels on HCCL. :)

I've tried it on my polebarb before. Quite simply, it's not enough damage in hell. you could probably get through nightmare with it though.

[fredsta54]

I wouldnt use it pvm

[Akukami]

I wouldnt use it pvm

I agree. The mods on the stick aren't meant for PvM. In addition to that, the base damage is too low, and your killing speed would be severely diminished.

Just stick with PvP. :)

[Zodijackyl]

I just tried woestave PvM with a level 86 scyther built for a bec. Can't do much in act 3 nightmare.
From what I've done on HCCL I think a great maul from jamella would work better on a ww barb :P

[SwampBox]

just go martel

[fredsta54]

I think your missing the point, woestave is TERRIBLE pvm, i would rather use a shopped magic mart, but, pvp its great.







Fred

[Zodijackyl]

Just use Swordback + wep with cold, you'll die alot less and be able to do more damage with a Kings Battle Hammer Of Frost.

[fredsta54]

Just use Swordback + wep with cold, you'll die alot less and be able to do more damage with a Kings Battle Hammer Of Frost.

1/2 the reason woestave is good is for its 50% slow

[Zodijackyl]

1/2 the reason woestave is good is for its 50% slow

Use clegs then, they slow a good amount, although its useless on speeders. Sorcs can tele, Pallys can charge, and Necs tend to not move.

Woestave might be fun for a low dueler, but if you try to duel with serious players you'll get your *** kicked :P

[fredsta54]

Use clegs then, they slow a good amount, although its useless on speeders. Sorcs can tele, Pallys can charge, and Necs tend to not move.

Woestave might be fun for a low dueler, but if you try to duel with serious players you'll get your *** kicked :P


I am tired of debating this. My final point before i say nothing more on this topic- There are many weapons that are better in terms of damage per second than woestave, but woestave is cheap and effective. It is free. And it can kill serious duelers if you are more skilled than them.



Fred

[WarlockCC]

I am tired of debating this. My final point before i say nothing more on this topic- There are many weapons that are better in terms of damage per second than woestave, but woestave is cheap and effective. It is free. And it can kill serious duelers if you are more skilled than them.



Fred
Before comming to this forum I actually already made a woestave barb, works very well in Hell. Only mod I was missing was Goblins... eeehm, I mean Crushing Blow.
Oh, and leech and AR are nice, so dual leech/res ring and angelic amy/armor.

So PvM this weapon rocks. Don't expect oodles of leech, so keep some potions on standby, but it's combined slow and cold really drops monsters movement down to a halt really. CB will do the main damage.

Supposing you where to use it for PvP, I guess vs barbs you would wear the angelic armor and ring for AR and vs sorcs you would probably wear hawk.
With it's low req's you basically have a life barb on your hands who doesn't need 169 str for a martel or 100 str for a battle hammer.
yeah, you need 47 dex, but let's not forget Iratha's present.

Viable, I'd say, yes. because I have one which does work.
So until you make a barb tailored to this gear or see one in action, I don't think one shouldn't speculate on weather or not he could take on your best Everquest char or something equally far removed.

There are allways people who can beat you, but who cares, you can own most people. And no matter what you have, there will allways be people who can beat you.
Martelbarbs shouldn't be that hard because of their range. Tactfully WW'ing past them just becomes easier after the first WW when they are slowed and maybe even frozen. Wearing gobs won't make you a speeder, but with the 20frw from iratha's and some natural speed, it shouldn't be that bad.

Give it a go on your nearest Ladder and tell me what you think. If your dual leech ring happens to have str, all the better, even more life for you.
So for those of you with deep pockets, you can pour all the godlyness into that one ring. "that one ring", sounds kinda farmiliar and cliche.

That is the only 'expensive' thing about the build, a dual leech ring. Which you can prolly pick up for a PS or two and upgrade on the way. Offcourse for PvP you won't need the dual leech ring so you could wear another ring.

Vote on viability after you have given it a whirl. :)

[fredsta54]

Before comming to this forum I actually already made a woestave barb, works very well in Hell. Only mod I was missing was Goblins... eeehm, I mean Crushing Blow.
Oh, and leech and AR are nice, so dual leech/res ring and angelic amy/armor.

So PvM this weapon rocks. Don't expect oodles of leech, so keep some potions on standby, but it's combined slow and cold really drops monsters movement down to a halt really. CB will do the main damage.

Supposing you where to use it for PvP, I guess vs barbs you would wear the angelic armor and ring for AR and vs sorcs you would probably wear hawk.
With it's low req's you basically have a life barb on your hands who doesn't need 169 str for a martel or 100 str for a battle hammer.
yeah, you need 47 dex, but let's not forget Iratha's present.

Viable, I'd say, yes. because I have one which does work.
So until you make a barb tailored to this gear or see one in action, I don't think one shouldn't speculate on weather or not he could take on your best Everquest char or something equally far removed.

There are allways people who can beat you, but who cares, you can own most people. And no matter what you have, there will allways be people who can beat you.
Martelbarbs shouldn't be that hard because of their range. Tactfully WW'ing past them just becomes easier after the first WW when they are slowed and maybe even frozen. Wearing gobs won't make you a speeder, but with the 20frw from iratha's and some natural speed, it shouldn't be that bad.

Give it a go on your nearest Ladder and tell me what you think. If your dual leech ring happens to have str, all the better, even more life for you.
So for those of you with deep pockets, you can pour all the godlyness into that one ring. "that one ring", sounds kinda farmiliar and cliche.

That is the only 'expensive' thing about the build, a dual leech ring. Which you can prolly pick up for a PS or two and upgrade on the way. Offcourse for PvP you won't need the dual leech ring so you could wear another ring.

Vote on viability after you have given it a whirl. :)

Well... in pvm it will still fall far short of even a 200ed bsnap. In pvp no chance going against a barb... they will kill you in 1 ww no problem even with an 100 dmg bh cuz ur slowing down their walk speed and freezing them.

Its a hit + run w/ open wounds strategy, range 5, 50 slow, cold, open wounds, fast fast barb with decent phys dmg and mabye even gtoe/rcage (think about your speed vs theirs...:))







Fred

[WarlockCC]

Well... in pvm it will still fall far short of even a 200ed bsnap. In pvp no chance going against a barb... they will kill you in 1 ww no problem even with an 100 dmg bh cuz ur slowing down their walk speed and freezing them.

Its a hit + run w/ open wounds strategy, range 5, 50 slow, cold, open wounds, fast fast barb with decent phys dmg and mabye even gtoe/rcage (think about your speed vs theirs...:))







Fred
Here I thought you liked different chars and didn't just go for the uber hammerdin/blizzsorc/snapbarb because they are popular.
The question is not if I can make a better barb with a uber martel, a steel with it's impressive damage, which I prefer over snap for leechreasons. I have those barbs, they where ok. I am just looking for something fun to play which doesn't require me to sell off my kidneys and potential first-bornes on e-bay to get money to buy gear.
And this is it. Cheap, definately fun to play. No need to spend points in horking, 90% of the time there is nothing left to hork. And let's see what those shamans raise if all their minions just explode into ice. Or watch those physical immune spectres which normally give you a hard time, bleed to death. They must be bleed ectoplasma, because there certainly is something leaking out.
it probably falls short of even a crushflange doubleswinger in the way of damage and killingspeed. But I'm looking for fun, not McWhatsHisname hammertime killingspeed.

example, my hammerdin, far easier to level since he can rummage around on his own, crashing games, is stuck at level 84, simply because he get's boring.
Hammerdin strategy guide : Walk, see monster, toss hammer, monster tosses loot, pick up or walk on.

My healer/support auradin is level 88 and will go higher, simply because every party you play in is different and you have to adapt to their inaptness/needs in certain area's.
for $me (variation == fun);

Well, with a char which is damage impared you have variation because every monster can pose a new chalenge.

Offcourse I was expecting a "but this standard cookiecutter weapon is much better" post. Just not from you, Blood Cresent Cleglaw. :(

[Akukami]

Why must people bring up such old topics?

From experience, even with a Chant, Woestave is still poor in damage PvM.

- Akukami

[WarlockCC]

Why must people bring up such old topics?

From experience, even with a Chant, Woestave is still poor in damage PvM.

- Akukami
Why must people reply without reading?

Note the gobs.
Personally I find the 248 max damage with level 20 mastery & WW and BC quite satisfactory when combined with gobs.

I was not aware it was illigal to read and comment on old threads which are still open. Good thing you don't mod here or we'd have only the 5 most rescent threads open and the rest a museum of dead concepts. :)

In general, on forums, people discus the things of interest to them, no matter what the age of the matter at hand. Diablo 2 is a few years old already and we still play it, why should we not discuss threads made withing the same patchtime.

I would agree with you if somebody was trying to discuss things from 1.06 or something as old, such things are just outragous, a scandal even. ;)

[Kiwi Legend]

I cant stand people commenting on poor choices in posting. If you dont like it dont read it and if you do read it, whats the big deal anyway?. I didnt read this conversation from ages ago and enjoyed it being brought up again.

[Akukami]

Why must people reply without reading

Why must people assume incorrectly about not reading the thread? :rolleyes: Also, note that I never stated anything illegal about bringing old topics up again. However, if you didn't like that comment...well, that's just too bad, isn't it? :wink3:

@ Kiwi - You take comments way too seriously. And besides, even after my mini complaint, I shared my personal experience with the weapon and build, and although it has its ups and downs, overall, I would not re-make a Barb build like this ever again. Complain all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you contributed nothing useful.

Back on track, I've said it before on this thread and now I'll say it again: Woestave builds work best PvP and are horrible PvM. The reason for this is killling speed: bleeding monsters to death is just way too slow. Although you may get by with a Chant PvM, I still would not recommend using it for anything other than PvP.

- Akukami

[Dacar92]

Guys, be nice. This is how flame wars start. I just want a peaceful life. Please, let it stay that way.

[Kiwi Legend]

After reading my post again this morning your right Akuami I went over the top. 1. It was the end of a long day at work 2. complaining about peoples post choices is a pet peave of mine.

Anyway

I like the concept of this build because there are SO many unique weapons that are left on the ground or sold without even looking at them.

[WarlockCC]

Why must people assume incorrectly about not reading the thread? :rolleyes: Also, note that I never stated anything illegal about bringing old topics up again. However, if you didn't like that comment...well, that's just too bad, isn't it? :wink3:

@ Kiwi - You take comments way too seriously. And besides, even after my mini complaint, I shared my personal experience with the weapon and build, and although it has its ups and downs, overall, I would not re-make a Barb build like this ever again. Complain all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you contributed nothing useful.

Back on track, I've said it before on this thread and now I'll say it again: Woestave builds work best PvP and are horrible PvM. The reason for this is killling speed: bleeding monsters to death is just way too slow. Although you may get by with a Chant PvM, I still would not recommend using it for anything other than PvP.

- Akukami
I am glad you where willing to share your experience with a woestave barb and I agree that without CB or without a descent level ench the killing speed is too low in the later parts of Hell. It is a shame however that you never got to try one with goblins. CB is so much faster then bleeding a monster to death. Some monsters, like the PI's, you will have to bleed, but normally you wouldn't even be able to touch them without Bezerk.

Women have stated it for years and I guess they where right, the right boots to match the outfit can make a world of difference.

Of all the unique polearms, this one is the most viable imho.

Note that even with a wirts leg you can have a good killing speed as long as you have CB.

Mebbe I will make a Wirts leg doubleswinger or Frenzybarb with a Rattle/Flesh and Gobs. Or even better, I will use my 40ias,1xxED wirts leg on a Zealer.

It's probably just my luck, but bessides the usual spectre's which leech my mana, which I need to Bezerk them, any bosses I meet that spawned with the PI mod are almost allways also mana burners. And on occasion also extra strong demons. :)

[tdlofcc]

I just muled my Woestave to my Speeder ... along with some Gobs.
See if they work ... I'll let you know.

[Man In Black]

Mebbe I will make a Wirts leg doubleswinger or Frenzybarb

You can only hold one wirts leg on a char at a time.

[JEstevam]

hey fred, beat you too it, i already knew it owned, i had it on my CS barb who relied on CRUSHING BLOW + OPEN WOUNDS to kill safely in the CS, don't forget it also freezes, it is indeed a very good weapon.

Aside from a godly rare, it is a very good 2h lvl 30 WWing weapon.

I agree it's good, but remember it'd get pwned by a naga/shield ww barb, -30exe/shield ww barb, or bh/shield ww barb...

also i'm pretty sure a barb using steeldriver or bonesnap would beat it, (snap good vs bad duelers, steel good vs better ones)

range 5 is dangerous if you're skilled...

still the best speeder IMHO is:

sick rare lance (-30req wouldn't hurt)
blinkbat
iratha's gloves/belt/ammy
30str helm
rare 30run boots

60% run with maxed INCREASED SPEED, would be one hell of a zon/sorc/nec killer... if I ever get around to it, I wanna make one...

very fun/good dueler indeed...

[fredsta54]

hey fred, beat you too it, i already knew it owned, i had it on my CS barb who relied on CRUSHING BLOW + OPEN WOUNDS to kill safely in the CS, don't forget it also freezes, it is indeed a very good weapon.

Aside from a godly rare, it is a very good 2h lvl 30 WWing weapon.

I agree it's good, but remember it'd get pwned by a naga/shield ww barb, -30exe/shield ww barb, or bh/shield ww barb...

also i'm pretty sure a barb using steeldriver or bonesnap would beat it, (snap good vs bad duelers, steel good vs better ones)

range 5 is dangerous if you're skilled...

still the best speeder IMHO is:

sick rare lance (-30req wouldn't hurt)
blinkbat
iratha's gloves/belt/ammy
30str helm
rare 30run boots

60% run with maxed INCREASED SPEED, would be one hell of a zon/sorc/nec killer... if I ever get around to it, I wanna make one...

very fun/good dueler indeed...


excuse me but bsnap is WAY better than steeldriver.

Pvm a well built barb with 300ed bsnap... i find to kill faster than a 300 dmg mart using the same setup







Fred

[Noite Escura]

He's talking about PvP I think...