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Akukami
13-10-2005, 18:15
Hi, and thanks for checking out my first guide on the forums.

To begin with, I would like to thank JoeDamned (who is now banned :() for writing up the first LLD guide that inspired me for my own. His guide can be seen here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=341749).

Have you ever seen level 12 Paladin go hostile with a level 30 Sorceress who laughed and suddenly got their butt seriously whopped? Your first reaction would probably be "HACKER, HACKER!!" but actually, you've just witnessed an LLD in action.

What is an LLD?
An LLD, or Low Level Dueler, is a character who is in the range of level 12-30 who is geared towards fighting higher level characters. There are several "super" LLD's that also range from level 31-40, but the standard is level 12-30.

Why Make an LLD?
Simply because LLDs use inexpensive gear, are easy to make, and very fun to play with in a real dueling arena provided that no level 80's arrive and go hostile with you. But that's what Level Restrict is for. :D

Generally Accepted "Rules" for LLDing
Technically, there are absolutely no rules for LLDing, but here's a few things you can do for fun duels that don't make other people mad:

1. Unless it's free-for-all, ask other people for duels and don't just go hostile with them.
2. If the other person has gold and gets killed, don't take it. They're probably going to need it for repairs and buying mana potions.
3. If someone died and is getting their corpse, don't attack them (nude kill, or NK).
4. First person to break any of these general rules can, and probably should have it done back to them. In other words, forget all these things I just told you and be cheap. :D

What character is best for LLDing?
The most versatile LLD you can use is a Paladin for it's extremely effective killing ability at very low levels. Of course, what's more important is how you build your LLD, so all characters are fair game.

How do I make an LLD?
Ah, that was the burning question I desperately needed an answer to when I started LLDing. There are many kinds of LLDs and typing all of them out is just too time consuming. You can get help by replying to this thread and waiting for someone to respond, but if you want a quick and easy LLD build, here's a Charger Paladin for you:

Charger Paladin, Level 12-16 - This is probably the very first LLD you're going to make for it's ease. This Pally uses Charge as it's main attack along with Might as the main aura.

Skills:
Put 1 point into Smite and Charge, and dump the rest into Might

Stats (after gear and distribution):
60 Strength, 45 Dexterity (explanation below), Base Energy, rest to Vitality

Starting Gear (level 12-15):
Helm: 3-Socket Flawless Ruby Helm - Lots of life
Weapon: Rare Pike (required character level 12-15) with the highest damage you can find
Shield: none
Armor: Angelic Mantle - (combined with Amulet and Rings) +1 to all Skills
Gloves: Clegaw's Pincers - Slows target by 25%
Boots: Hsarus' Iron Heel - Faster Run/Walk + Fire Resist
Belt: Hsarus' Iron Stay - +20 to Life + Cold Resist
Amulet: Angelic Wings - See Rings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2 - (combined with Amulet alone) +10 to Dexterity + higher attack rating

The distribution of character points for Dexterity should only be 35 since you get an extra 10 from Angelic Halo + Wings.

More Advanced Gear (level 15-16):
Helm: Biggin's Bonnet
Weapon: Clegaw's Tooth / Rare War Hammer / Rare Pike
Shield: Clegaw's Claw / Rare High Block Shield
Armor: Hawkmail
Gloves: Clegaw's Pincers / Death's Hand
Boots: Treads of Cthon
Belt: Lenymo / Death's Guard
Amulet: Angelic Wings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2

I personally like Biggin's Bonnet since you get a nice balance of added life and mana. As for Clegaw's, I like using the whole set since I get super fast hits, more Attack Rating, and mana steal. For armor, Hawkmail can be used to counter Cold attacks as well as Death's Guard ("Cannot be Frozen"). Also, you can switch in Death's Hand and have increased attack speed. Lenymo is also not a bad choice since it adds to mana, has mana regenerate, and gives a little resistance to all elements. Last but not least, Treads of Cthon has 30% increased walk/run and slower stamina drain so you can run around longer without having to stop.

Strategy:
Put Might on your right click, and Charge on your left click. Find your opponent, click on him/her and hold down the left mouse button. If done correctly, you should be hitting your opponent multiple times without having to lift your finger from the mouse (this is called "name locking"). Be sure to drink mana potions so you will have enough to use Charge until they die.

Weaknesses:
Your main weakness will be any Cold attack that will freeze you, and if you run out of mana potions, you won't be able to Charge away from combat. Use Hawkmail or Death's Guard (the sash) for this. Also, Necromancers using Bone Prison or even Bone wall will give you problems since you'll be trapped. Watch out for their Iron Maiden. And finally, be ready against an opponent with a shield; you're going to have to Charge them, Charge away, then Charge them again since they have a chance to block. Mana potions are your friend.

There are more LLDs you can make, and you can ask around for nice builds. Here's a few of them to experiment with:

Amazon:
Bowazon - I haven't made one, so I don't know much about them. Guided Arrow is the main attack here.
Lightning Javazon - Another one I haven't made, but I've seen them in action, and they are super powerful. Ask around for a nice build.

Barbarian:
Basher - Use Bash to do your bidding. Find a nice Rare Maul, or Rare War Hammer (with a shield).
Double Swing - Use Double Swing as the main skill. Death's Set is best for this.
Whirlwind Barb - Hmm...do I really need to explain this one?

Necromancer
Bone Spear / Spirit - This Necro LLD uses Bone Prison to cage the opponent, then mercilessly pounds them with Bone Spear or Bone Spirit (Bone Spear is more common).
Summoner - Yes, they actually work. Shop at Akara for a nice wand that gives +3 to Raise Skeleton and +3 to Skeleton Mastery. Use Bone Wall to keep melee characters at bay while letting your army work for you, and Iron Maiden just in case they decide to kill off your minions first.

Paladin
Charger - See Above.
Zealer - Use Zeal as the main attack, as well as balance of Might and Sacrifice for maximum damage.
Smiter - Continuously stun the opponent with a Rare Barbed Shield. Holy Freeze works nicely with Smite.
Hammerdin - Never made one, but they rock! Blessed Hammers is the main attack.

Sorceress
Cold Sorc - Uses Frozen Orb, Blizzard, or Ice Blast. Enough said.
Fire Sorc - Uses Fireball as the main attack. Also enough said.

Nice LLD Gear You Can Use
I'm going to refer to JD's guide for this one since it has most of the basic gear that's common for LLDs. Find it here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=341749).

Conclusion
LLDing is very intense since you have limited character and skill points to work with. Knowing how to build one is just as imporatant as knowing how to use it. Many of the LLDs mentioned have weaknesses that can be exploited by using the correct LLD to battle them. For example, Whirlwind Barbs can take every melee character easily. Try using Bone Spirit Necros or Sorcs with Teleport to keep your distance and blast away with magic and elemntal attacks.

Okay, that's it! Go out there and LLD. Have fun! :clap:

- Akukami

JanusJones
13-10-2005, 19:45
Hey Aku. Your guide is a nice idea - and badly needed in these forums, I think - but is a little general. There's a great site with specifics on different builds of LLDs (and even VLLDs - VERY low level duelers - level 9!), but the forum rules prevent me from posting a link here. Try googling LLD + LOD or something like that - it should pop up. The site is *called* - note this isn't the address, moderators! - lld101, and it has some very detailed and specific gear, skill, and statistic analysis, in addition to a bunch of strategy info. Check it out, and thanks for bringing a little LLD to dii.net! :thumbsup:

Akukami
13-10-2005, 20:35
That was the idea - to create a general overview of LLDing and provide ideas for LLDs. Of course, I haven't created some of the LLD's mentioned, and I was hoping that someone other than me could provide everyone with information on how to make different types of LLDs. The Charger I posted was actually my very first LLD, and I've made others by asking around on these forums and asking over BNet. What I've done is to make a thread that is geared solely for LLD strategies.

Thanks for the props! :D

EDIT: I just visited that site you told me about, and it's mostly for LOD. I don't have LOD....

Palm
13-10-2005, 21:39
Nice guide. Just remember guys that in classic you have no jewels or charms so you cant pull off the same things you can in lod with twinked out low level chars. With the right build and equipment you can still do alot tho.

Akukami
13-10-2005, 21:42
Nice guide. Just remember guys that in classic you have no jewels or charms so you cant pull off the same things you can in lod with twinked out low level chars. With the right build and equipment you can still do alot tho.

I know, otherwise I would've mentioned gems and those other things. This guide was put in the Classic section for a reason. :D

Palm
13-10-2005, 21:52
I know, otherwise I would've mentioned gems and those other things. This guide was put in the Classic section for a reason. :DI didn't mean you specifically, just anyone who might be thinking of doing some lld/pk in classic.

fredsta54
14-10-2005, 01:48
Nice guide, my lld cleg zealot setup- Clegs shield and sword. twitch. Deaths. Angelics. treads of cthon. Duskdeep.

NUff strength//dex 4 gear

4 zeal
1 might
rest to sac


Completed at lvl 17. Owns 99% of characters that are lvl >30











Fred

Akukami
14-10-2005, 05:38
Nice guide, my lld cleg zealot setup- Clegs shield and sword. twitch. Deaths. Angelics. treads of cthon. Duskdeep.

NUff strength//dex 4 gear

4 zeal
1 might
rest to sac


Completed at lvl 17. Owns 99% of characters that are lvl >30

Fred

What's with Duskdeep?

fredsta54
15-10-2005, 02:31
More dmg than biggins for cleg zealer, 15 res all, the -8 dmg helps a LOT at low lvls. Many opponents dont even do 8 pvp dmg per hit when it comes to lld.

Duskdeep is the best on lld zealer. Better than 114 lifer or biggins, no contest.

I actually died faster with a 114 lifer mask than with duskdeep, while dueling with other lld's last season O.o








Fred

Akukami
16-10-2005, 03:26
I'm making a level 30 Javazon, but I don't know if Lightning or Poison is better. Also, which skills do put some points into?

fredsta54
16-10-2005, 04:32
Charged strike is the best at lld java. Poison isnt that good at lld b/c 99% of enemies will run to town once they reach 1 life :(

I could figure out the skill allocation//best gear, but im 2 lasy and i g2g. Get a fast attack, im guessing use deaths n twitch, rares, + skills, im sure you can figure it out







Fred

Akukami
16-10-2005, 06:31
Charged strike is the best at lld java. Poison isnt that good at lld b/c 99% of enemies will run to town once they reach 1 life :(

I could figure out the skill allocation//best gear, but im 2 lasy and i g2g. Get a fast attack, im guessing use deaths n twitch, rares, + skills, im sure you can figure it out

Fred

I already got the gear, I just needed to know if lightning or psn was better. Thanks!

Akukami
20-10-2005, 18:30
Grr...I hate it when LLD Barbs with WW enter games against my Smiter and Charger...so, to counter that, I've decided to make my own LLD Barb with some cheap stuff:

Helm: Biggin's Bonnet
Weapon: The Gnasher (50% Open Wounds, 20% Crushing Blow)
Shield: Swordback Hold (50% Open Wounds)
Armor: Rattlecage (25% Crushing Blow)
Gloves: Bloodfist
Boots: Goblin Toe (25% Crushing Blow)
Belt: Bladebuckle
Ammy: Angelic Wings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2

I have no idea of what I'm doing. Help is greatly appreciated.

kobrakai[UK]
20-10-2005, 20:23
First off you need to decide what level you plan to make you barb at, I assume about level 30 so you can use WW. I will also warn you that WW uses a silly amount of mana.


Try looking at: http://www.lld101.com for some more ideas about lld.

Akukami
20-10-2005, 20:40
']First off you need to decide what level you plan to make you barb at, I assume about level 30 so you can use WW. I will also warn you that WW uses a silly amount of mana.


Try looking at: http://www.lld101.com for some more ideas about lld.

I know that site, and I don't play LoD. Don't forget, this is Classic. As for the mana issue, that's what mana potions are for.

Noite Escura
20-10-2005, 21:47
Charged strike is the best at lld java. Poison isnt that good at lld b/c 99% of enemies will run to town once they reach 1 life :(

Fred
You can finish them with Lightning Bolt, if you put some points into the Psn Jav synergy you'll have it anyway. Or change to Charged Strike and farcast ;)
I was going to do a Poison Jav dueler just for the fun of it, but it's very boring to level that *****...

sculpen
22-10-2005, 01:02
Grr...I hate it when LLD Barbs with WW enter games against my Smiter and Charger...

Another simple solution is to make a level 30 necro. Disposes of barbs quickly and easily, but can also take down 40+ sorceresses with some resists. Use that Gnasher on a lvl 9-12 smiter.

Akukami
22-10-2005, 01:03
Grr...I hate it when LLD Barbs with WW enter games against my Smiter and Charger...

Another simple solution is to make a level 30 necro. Disposes of barbs quickly and easily, but can also take down 40+ sorceresses with some resists. Use that Gnasher on a lvl 9-12 smiter.

If I make a Necro, what would be the main skill...Bone Spear, or Bone Spirit?

EDIT: I'm inept...Bone Wall + Iron Maiden

fredsta54
22-10-2005, 03:37
Smiters can easily kill ww barbs

Zodijackyl
22-10-2005, 04:22
If I make a Necro, what would be the main skill...Bone Spear, or Bone Spirit?

EDIT: I'm inept...Bone Wall + Iron Maiden

LLD is almost always normal, and bone walls/prison have a negligable amount of life here, so this build doesn't work (although my level 15 has killed a few 90 barbs in hell)

Akukami
22-10-2005, 06:44
Smiters can easily kill ww barbs

Then why does my Level 30 Smiter keep getting owned by a Level 30 WW Barb?

Akukami
22-10-2005, 06:46
LLD is almost always normal, and bone walls/prison have a negligable amount of life here, so this build doesn't work (although my level 15 has killed a few 90 barbs in hell)

So how do I go about making a Level 30 Necro that can stand up to all kinds of LLD Pallys, LLD Cold/Fire Sorcs, and LLD WW Barbs?

sculpen
22-10-2005, 09:25
So how do I go about making a Level 30 Necro that can stand up to all kinds of LLD Pallys, LLD Cold/Fire Sorcs, and LLD WW Barbs?

My answere is in your lvl 30 lld thread. :cyclops:

Akukami
22-10-2005, 16:28
My answere is in your lvl 30 lld thread. :cyclops:

I saw it, but I'm just curious to see what the other guy has to say. :D