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GueLerMe

12-10-2005, 20:38

You want Da 1337 Strafezon?

MAX Strafe
1 FA(So you can freeze monsters to run away and get into a nice Strafe position)
17 Valk after +skills(She gets her cool War Pike on that level ^^ Not a lot of benefits MAX'ing)
1 Penetrate, Pierce, Slow Missiles, Avoid, Dogde, Evade, more if you want...I like having at least 80% pierce, so I can freeze more monsters...

That's the base...If you wanna add something more, be welcome...

Dunno for equips, but I guess you'll need a heavy hitting bow(WF, Eaglehorn, Upp'ed WWS, Upp'ed Lycander...) with nice speed, lots of IAS, some leech, so you don't have to drink potions all the time...Prolly people could point you better equips...

If you wanna try the Frostmaiden style, which is my favorite, there goes a basic build

MAX FA
MAX CA
17 Valk
Enough points to get 100% piercing, or at least 80%(That'll depend on your equips)
Single points on that skills I've told ya
10 in Strafe and Multi(Maybe someone will argue, but I think Multi is insanely useful against big mobs that are CI...Cause you'll prolly get them into recovery mode, and your Merc and Valk will tank a lot better)

That's the base...It can be a lil' annoying against CI/PI, but nothing insanely annoying...I got WWS on switch, so I can deal with CI/PI, spamming its Magic Arrows and triggering Amp

Personal rant added: Don't MAX Ice Arrow, or you'll be insanely sorry...The added cold duration sUx on Hell, and you can use 19 points in a better way...

RealmOftheWolf

13-10-2005, 01:09

lol forgot it adds duration not damage thanx that would of been a big mistake :lol:

LethalOne

14-10-2005, 00:04

I think im going with GueLerMe ...

Gue, what stre dex vit should i get???

Also if you have any starter armor or weapons i can buy or have just tell me :) thanks!

Dacar92

14-10-2005, 04:25

I think im going with GueLerMe ...

Gue, what stre dex vit should i get???

Also if you have any starter armor or weapons i can buy or have just tell me :) thanks!

We don't sell items here. Don't ask or offer, unless it's in a giveaway, and then you may find what you need here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=376313&highlight=giveaway)

DudSpud

14-10-2005, 05:16

Just a note about whatever bowazon you decide to go with, but especially the frostmaiden stylie. You will need a couple-10 pts in penetrate because strafe adds no AR and the AR bonus for FA apparently only works for melee attacks. Go figure. Anyhow, if you actually want to hit something, so you can leech back all the mana your blowing with FA, you are going to need either a BA Merc, and ITD bow, or penetrate.

Good luck whatever you decide,
DudSpud

LethalOne

16-10-2005, 14:13

By CA and FA You mean max cold arrow and freezing arrow? i want to make sure im doing it right my guy is about lvl 46.

You want Da 1337 Strafezon?

MAX Strafe
1 FA(So you can freeze monsters to run away and get into a nice Strafe position)
17 Valk after +skills(She gets her cool War Pike on that level ^^ Not a lot of benefits MAX'ing)
1 Penetrate, Pierce, Slow Missiles, Avoid, Dogde, Evade, more if you want...I like having at least 80% pierce, so I can freeze more monsters...

That's the base...If you wanna add something more, be welcome...

Dunno for equips, but I guess you'll need a heavy hitting bow(WF, Eaglehorn, Upp'ed WWS, Upp'ed Lycander...) with nice speed, lots of IAS, some leech, so you don't have to drink potions all the time...Prolly people could point you better equips...

If you wanna try the Frostmaiden style, which is my favorite, there goes a basic build

MAX FA
MAX CA
17 Valk
Enough points to get 100% piercing, or at least 80%(That'll depend on your equips)
Single points on that skills I've told ya
10 in Strafe and Multi(Maybe someone will argue, but I think Multi is insanely useful against big mobs that are CI...Cause you'll prolly get them into recovery mode, and your Merc and Valk will tank a lot better)

That's the base...It can be a lil' annoying against CI/PI, but nothing insanely annoying...I got WWS on switch, so I can deal with CI/PI, spamming its Magic Arrows and triggering Amp

Personal rant added: Don't MAX Ice Arrow, or you'll be insanely sorry...The added cold duration sUx on Hell, and you can use 19 points in a better way...

DudSpud

17-10-2005, 23:44

By CA and FA You mean max cold arrow and freezing arrow? i want to make sure im doing it right my guy is about lvl 46.Yes, CA stands for cold arrow, FA for freezing. Don't put more than one into Ice arrow - increase the freeze length with cold charms and other cold damage from items. One hint - before you max freezing arrow, get it to 13 with +skills, then max the cold arrow synergy. This adds as much damage as hard points in FrzArrow without increasing the mana cost. This helps at lower levels when your mana and mana leech are lower.

DudSpud

Xena1985

18-10-2005, 04:19

I'll probably get flamed for this 1 :) but here it goes my PvM Bowazon main skill................................... maxed ......... yes .... magic arrow go ahead and laugh IT DOES WORK I have it maxed for many reasons does not strafe lock very important for survival, no mana cost, - reduces the need for mana leech equipment ( you will need a bit to cover multishot you want 10-15 after + to skills to handle crowds), about 150% to AR , and it converts 20% dmg to irresistable magic dmg. I'd take the above instead of the odd +100% dmg of guided any day now that guided pierce doesn't work, and as for strafe you couldn't pay me enough to invest in that skill (Strafe Lock) offsets any benefits of this skill. Other Skills : 20 in decoy and Valkery reason : you need the best possible tank you can and other skills in the passive/magic tree exept penetrate have HUGE diminishing returns + every hard point in decoy boosts valkery resist all by 2%. Penetrate : 15-20 as many as you can but get 1-3 in the dodge avoid evade series first use + to skills to boost higher to hit diminishing returns. Critical : 3 again + to skills to boost. Pierce 1 point to get some pierceing for your switch weapon if applicable

Equipment : crafted blood gloves look for resists + dex knockback or IAS

The classic buriza :) with sheal or nef depending on what mods your gloves have. reason: cheap, good dmg, low level req, freezes and auto pierces with knockback using multishot you have insane crowd control. and its fast.

Armor and boot's = Aldurs Set reasons : Very good Lightning and Fire resists 40% walkrun using the 2 together also yields an additional 15 dex 15 vita and .... 150 % AR this is the main reason socket the armor with any resistance rune for the resist your low on

Belt : thundergod's vigor reason : vitality boost and 15% max resistance to the most dangerous element in the game

Ammy and ring : craft or rare does'nt matter look for dex resistance and at least 1% mana leech on 1 of them to cover multi shot

helmet : crown of thieves with perfect emrald reason : tailor made for a bowazon good fire resist 12% life leech and with the perfect emerald 35 to dex. looks sexy and is very cheep ort/sol runeword early on

Stats :
mana ........ what's mana ??
str 80-100 to get 110 for equipment after charms
dex aim for 250 base more dex = more dmg and ar = easier to hit and more LL
Vita all the rest about 100 - 150 you want to have at least 1000 life in hell but more is better 1.5 k will do perfectly as you can avoid 1 hit kills

charms: resistance or + to passive tree depending on what your ammy is you want to have 3-4 + to skills in the passive tree to get 5-7 after + to skills in the dodge avoid and evade skill line after about 5-7 the diminishing returns make it not worth it .

merc. = might or HF, take HF if you dont feel safe enough but i would reccomend might regardless.

feel free to rip this up as my build is anything but mainstream with regard to skill choice and equipment however in my defense i say my only regret is NOT making it hardcore killed hell meph the other day with out a single death. yes thats right I NEVER DIED. (yet) there were a few close calls in normal and diablo in normal took about 20 minutes kill but after that it was easy

YogiRat

18-10-2005, 04:54

You aren't the only MA fan here. Lone_wolf's (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=126659) sniperzon guide has been an inspiration to me for a long time. It's a bit dated now with the emergence of the Witchyzon and the Harmony rune word but it's still a great read. Even just a few points into MA will help any bowzon build.

Your build looks pretty good to me, with extra points for being non cookie cutter :)

Broshious

18-10-2005, 08:42

Dacar92

18-10-2005, 13:16

What is with the 17 points in valk? The only change I know of at that level is she gets a better weapon but people keep saying how they don't want her for her damage just her tanking so why not max it?

That better weapon is what people want. Then you get to save three points for whatever else you need. She gains nothing of note after level 17.

DudSpud

19-10-2005, 00:48

Xena1985,
Congrats on finding a way to play that is both enjoyable to you and successful while not being cookie cutter. I especially like the idea of 20 decoy, as I find it to really be helpful against archers and especially nasty melee guys. Additionally, with a cannon like the burrito, I think it is cool that you go against the current dogma and use Multi instead of strafe. Big damage with freeze and KB on a spamable skill like multi - what could be safer?

But... There's always a but, isn't there?

I too like MA, based on my experieces with the WWS. Very effective against PIs. However, the +AR% given by any of the bow skills only works for melee attacks. Go figure. So you will really need those points in penetrate, not just for multi, but for MA as well.

As for the amount of IAS you need:

Regular attack BPs for Burrito
95% IAS 13 frames
138% IAS 12 frames
215% IAS 11 frames

So with 80% already, you need 15 to get to the next BP, and 60 for the next one after that. And as you only gain 1 frame for each one, it seems that you should probably only go after the first one at 15 IAS. This is just one socket, so you could get the KB gloves and IAS/some damage mod jewel the CB. This really frees up your gear. For comparisons sake:

Strafe BPs for Burrito
70% IAS 14/4
95% IAS 14/4b
105% IAS (14/13)/4
120% IAS 12/3.5
174% IAS 11.5/3.5
215% IAS 11/3

Second, as for AR, I would emphasize +AR rather than +AR% because you already have good +AR% from penetrate and need something to actually multiply. A good idea here would be Ravenfrost for the +AR, CBF, Dex, and chill target, which increases the chill/freeze time from the burrito. Angelic ring/ammy is also nice.

Third, the idea to use a pEm to boost dex=10% more damage is a good one. Still, I think you could do better. Obviously, an 11% or better damage jewel would work better, but I wonder if a +min or +max would work better. Let's say you have 250 base dex as you suggest. That means 260% damage with pEm, and lets compare this to a +10 max jewel in a level 75 zon.

A perfect burrito (200%) has a min damage of 33*3=99, a max damage of 55*3+187 (187 from [2.5/level*level75]rounds down)=352. 99-352 averages 225.5

Assume a might merc with slvl 12 might (is this even ball park?) =+150% damage, base 250 dex + 35 from Burrito is 150+285=435% off-weapon damge.

Now with a pEm, avg damage is 225.5*5.45=1228.
With a +10 max jewel, avg damage becomes 230.5, so damage is 230.5*5.35=1233.

Hmm, and the max for pEm is 1918, +10 max is 1936. So really, a marginal difference, but the difference is going to favor more the +max as the +% off-weapon damage gets higher (like with all the other +dex items you wear), because you will effectively dilute out the 10% from the pEm. This doesn't appear to make as big a difference here with the monster that is the burrito, but with the pea shooter I typically use (WWS), +damage is much better than +% because of the huge +5 from dex and might.

Fourth, and this is really more a question, you seem to emphasize resists, which I don't even really think about when playing a strafer with a fast bow. With KB, freeze/chill, valk, decoy , and merc, do you ever really take many hits? If not, this attention to resists might be over-kill, so you could add other items to boost damage, like War Travelers, which adds damage before the dex/might multiplication.

Anyhow - nice build.
DudSpud

Xena1985

20-10-2005, 17:32

@ DudSpud

I know much of my equipment is not ideal, the purpose of my post was to give the thread-starter an Idea of how to build a sucessfull Bowazon (snipeing variant) with no uber l33t expensive equipment. now to defend my equipment choices :)

firstly you ask why not use goreriders ?? excellent boots no doubts there but CB is nerfed severly for ranged, and I don't have any problems killing stuff quickly in hell
now why Aldurs set so many people overlook this it's really a shame :) using 2 pieces of aldurs set gives you a massive 150% AR boost this is the main reason why I use it if not the AR bonus I'd probably use Duriels and crafted boots but again 150% AR is like an additional 15 points in penetrate.

note on CB you may optimize this build for boss running with guillans face but I have diffrent MF'ers this build serves for sniping fun leveling questing etc.

#2 the perfect emrald question not only does it add 10% dmg but also gives 10(dex) x 5AR/dex point x about 500- 600 % = about 300 AR total (base 50) now you could argue that an 11% dmg jewel with 51 ar would be better and I would agree =) but Emralds are evrywhere I play single player good jewels are hard to come by . another thing I emphasize AR alot because you need to be able to hit. your goal for hell is 90% there is nothing more deadly than missing 2 times in a row say an extra strong extra fast moon lord?? blood lord ?? forget their name that is charging at you

this build will have 1000- 1500 life making it a glass cannon. hittin = knockback = safe, sometimes the best defense is offense

now to your resistance issue : you bring up a very good point, however it depends on play style. I play scorched earth leaving nothing behind in every area of the game before moving to the next area. I simply power through the area slowing down for : stygian dolls, blood lords?? the dudes that use frenzy are uber fast and strong we all hate them. and unique groups of archers. because of my play style I tend to be at the front line all the time. if one has more patience they would not any resists at all using the decoy to draw off a few monsters at a time sniping from a distance.... slowly creeping forward or being extra carefull, however i just run at them shoot MA or if there are many of them I open the can-o-whupass- that is multishot also superb for leeching full orb in 2 or 3 shots . having less than 50% RA in hell would be suicide I can dodge physical attacks but elemental are more wide spread making it harder to dodge also I have to watch out not to dodge into melee badies makes my manuvering limited.

oh and another thing every little bit of dex counts I have + 35 from crown of thieves + 30 from aldurs set 18 from my ammy and about 10 each on my rings and more on the gloves with dex chamrs ..... and a base 250 dex you can easly have about +150 to dex
from items and charms if you optimize for it. 400 dex any1 ?? I am at 387 :) thats plain nice my buriza is unfortunatly not perfect 183% ED but it does fine. but
I can still reroll charms or craft better gloves I do run act 1 hell for crafting suplies :)

DudSpud

21-10-2005, 01:29

@ DudSpud

I know much of my equipment is not ideal, the purpose of my post was to give the thread-starter an Idea of how to build a sucessfull Bowazon (snipeing variant) with no uber l33t expensive equipment. now to defend my equipment choices :)No, your equipment is not "ideal." This is something I can relate to, playing mostly SP as well, I am stuck using what I find. Personally, I would kill for a Burrito, perfect or otherwise. I respect someone who takes a look at what they have and uses their own brain to design a Hell-viable build to fit it the gear. And from the looks of it, you have done just that.
firstly you ask why not use goreriders ?? excellent boots no doubts there but CB is nerfed severly for ranged, and I don't have any problems killing stuff quickly in hellLast things first: Hell viability is all that really matters (to me, at least), so my suggestions are more for tweaking the build. As for crushing blow (CB), yes, it's halved at range, which might be OK for a speedazon, but doesn't seem to fit for anyone carrying the Cannon. Oh, and I neither mentioned crushing blow nor Gore Rider's in my post - the "CB" I refered to socketing was the "CrossBow," i.e., the Buriza. The boots I did actually mention, War Travelers, were mentioned because the damage is added before being multiplied by all the dex you work so hard to get.

Now you may decide that the AR% from Aldur's Armor and Boots is the best way to get the chance to hit into the 90's with the gear you have, and so you cannot get rid of the boots. I was merely suggesting other options to get the very important AR boosts. Not everyone has the two Aldur's pieces.
#2 the perfect emrald question not only does it add 10% dmg but also gives 10(dex) x 5AR/dex point x about 500- 600 % = about 300 AR total (base 50) now you could argue that an 11% dmg jewel with 51 ar would be better and I would agree =) but Emralds are evrywhere I play single player good jewels are hard to come by . another thing I emphasize AR alot because you need to be able to hit. your goal for hell is 90% there is nothing more deadly than missing 2 times in a row say an extra strong extra fast moon lord?? blood lord ?? forget their name that is charging at youThat's a good point about the utility and abundance of pEms. And more AR is always more better. ANd I don't know the name of those charging baddies your talking about. I never stick around long enough to get their name:lol:.
this build will have 1000- 1500 life making it a glass cannon.1-1.5K life a glass cannon? My WWS strafers are lucky to break 800, and I hear tell of hardcore dexazons that wouldn't dream of wasting a point in vit.
now to your resistance issue : you bring up a very good point, however it depends on play style.Indeed it does, and with your style, it makes sense to have high res and over 1K HP.

Anyhow, just some ideas of mine about your build, which, again, seems pretty solid. What's the next (cross)bowie on your agenda?

Xena1985

21-10-2005, 02:35

My bad you mentioned war travelers I thought gore riders. 15-25 before % ED equation is nice :) for those not having aldurs set this is a supreme choice :thumbsup: however for me ..... I've got aldurs and the only pair of war travelers I have are etheral, kind of a waste. Also if you want a burrito i can give you 1 for the price of an email provided you have ATMA. its low on the %ED as I'm using the better 1 for myself. I don't think I'll need it as my next project will be based on a WWS or kuko speed/mageazon Also if you need good items check out the single player trading forum lots of times people give away mid range items, other times you can get sweet deals or if your very poor like i used to be there are auctions where you can buy good items for pgems check it out twice a week do some baal or meph runs and you'll get the equipment you'll need :) the only limitation is no rune tradeing as they don't have atma fingerprints and can be duped. cheers

edit: as for those hardcore dex strafers all respect to them I would'nt dream of building a zon HC because you need to get from level 1-24 and then 30 with out any good skills this was the hardest part of the game duriel normal and diablo normal although diablo was harder teleported to town came back and had a cage around the portal. had to kill the cage with a 1-13 bow although i had 100+ dex at the time, while being rosted by diablo's lightning came out with 20 life another arguement for max resists :)

stats :
Buriza-Do Kyanon
Ballista
Two-Hand Damage: 85 to 143
Required Dexterity: 80
Required Strength: 110
Required Level: 41
Crossbow Class - Fastest Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 75
Fingerprint: 0x8317ec48
+35 to Dexterity
+158% Enhanced Damage
+118 Defense
Adds 32-196 cold damage over 8 seconds
80% Increased Attack Speed
Freezes Target +3
Piercing Attack [100]
+2 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)

VoX Dei

22-10-2005, 20:52

I find that most zonplayers seriously underrate MA. Glad you guys and/or gals also apreciate this skill. Simply put i love MA. Especially when having huge dexterity and a powerful weapon like WF. MA from WWS is also very very nice. IMO other classes will benefit more from this bow than most zon builds. Currently i have one WWS (upped 165% ed) as switch weapon for LI in my LF javazon, but she doesn't really need it. My fury druid, however, has serious problems vs PI and IM, so i think i'm gonna mule it to him.

@ Xena1985, I must agree that Buriza is truely amazing but being a x-bow it's capped at 11 frames. Since zons have the fastest bow speeds (capped at 7 frames) zons will be better served by using bows.

Also, imo you seem to be underrating strafe. I do agree that strafelock can be cause of death at times. However, all the goodness of this skill offsets strafelock. Experienced strafazons won't die very often because they know to choose their strafing positions quite well. Also, they usually have 2 good tanks (valk + merc). Most of them use FA too. And, finally they know which mods will keep them alive while strafelocked: knockback, freezes target, cold dmg, slows target %.

Omikron8

22-10-2005, 23:31

If i wanted an MA zon i would just play a blade fury assasin. At least then i would easily be able to exploit mods like crushing blow stacking and static field to make single target killing quick, compared to MA :)

Xena1985

23-10-2005, 01:14

what is the damage on an upped WWS and/or Kuko and does the cube recepy for upping work in single player ?? I agree that a WF would be better than my buriza but finding 1 is hard and tradeing for 1 is .... well I'm not sure if half of the Items together that I aquired over the last 6 months of hell meph running would be enough. you see my point. buriza is slower but this is offset by the huge damage and 100% pierce. as for the strafe vs multishot with a level 12 mutlishot I can spam the screen with arrows at no risk personal preferance i guess strafe can work too but I hate the very idea of not being able to move for a certain period of time . it would be good against a boss i think cast a valk on top of him and strafe.

VoX Dei

23-10-2005, 01:57

what is the damage on an upped WWS and/or Kuko and does the cube recepy for upping work in single player ??

IIRC my upped WWS (165% ed) has 89 to 107 damage. The cube recipe is Pul + Lum + Perf Emerald.

I agree that a WF would be better than my buriza but finding 1 is hard and tradeing for 1 is .... well I'm not sure if half of the Items together that I aquired over the last 6 months of hell meph running would be enough. you see my point. buriza is slower but this is offset by the huge damage and 100% pierce. as for the strafe vs multishot with a level 12 mutlishot I can spam the screen with arrows at no risk personal preferance i guess strafe can work too but I hate the very idea of not being able to move for a certain period of time . it would be good against a boss i think cast a valk on top of him and strafe.

I understand your perspective. It's hard to make an "ideal" char without the items.

Omikron8

23-10-2005, 05:43

ElJefeII

04-11-2005, 06:50

Your annoyance with strafe will disappear when you see how quickly it rips apart single targets compared to guided/MA

I am reviewing a sniperzon build right now.

I think that MA maxed is a good idea, and use multi-shot with cblow also is a great idea.

now, to make it work you need the following:

100% cblow. AHHhhhh 30-40% max on most sniperzon types just doesnt cut it for the real effect. MS always hits, cblow at 100% always trigers, open wounds follows. For that OW is good enough vs poison (way too expensive to get poison sc's on ladder). Poison is great just hard to aquire. I would say max out multi-shot, but probably it isnt necessary. It is wild when it is though. fans tightly over the screen.

im comming back to bowazon builds recently with a ladder magezon build. so far she absolutely pummels, but i havent hit hell yet.

Xena1985

04-11-2005, 08:33

how in hell are you gonna afford 100% CB you really cant do that without sacrificing FHR R/W speed CBF ITD ect and even then how would you get 100
guillan's goblin toe ...... duress your still at 75% gloves if they do spawn with 10% the other mods suck .........and CB is nerfed for ranged 1/8th not 1/4 your getting 85% at best unless there are some really leet ladder rune words . and also i have 5 points base in multi shot 7 after skills and I'm debating wether or not it's worth it to bring it up to 10 base. what your proposing in terms of equipment is madness you'd end up with a slow glass cannon thats not really to versatile

ElJefeII

05-11-2005, 07:10

10% from gloves - some of the best gloves in game come from this
35% from helm
25% from goblin toes
15% from Duress. This is a great multishot armour, takes care of a lot of things.
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thats 85%. I guess thats ok in Zon world. 15% from somewhere else would be a good idea. FRW is ok but multi and sniperzons do not really move around much at all.

One COULD ber some weapon for the max cblow, that would allow for non perfect rolls on the blood gloves yet keep the one that gave 20% ias. just a thought for a build that mimics many other builds but can do it to a whole screen in a rapid fashion.

Xena1985

05-11-2005, 13:56

It would be interesting to try definitly try it out and tell me how it goes, I've got only 10% CB and I own. if I started swapping out gear I could reach 85% as I will soon have duress cubing for um (giving it to assasin however) however I am trying to get aldurs deception that with the boots will give you awsome lighting and fire resists and 150% AR just can't be beat now if CB took 1/4 life like in melee I'd definitly sacrifice resists and r/w the fhr is suplied by duress and guillans. if you make a max CB zon and she works PM me :) I don't think she will survive well but I'm not sure I've never heard of it being done so it's hard to comment

GueLerMe

05-11-2005, 16:34

Hmm, I was thinking about a CB based Strafezon. Don't each arrow that hits apply the CB? So, Strafe would be ideal for affecting the monsters. I don't have any problem with strafe-locking, I never died 'cause of that, or I strafe far away from the monsters, or they're frozen, or my two tanks are taking the hits ^^

Then, maybe you could hit a decent Strafe BP, using a fast enough bow, and have enough CB to affect monsters most of the time(Duress+Goblin Toe/Gore Riders + CB crafted Blood Gloves+Guillaume's, dunno if there's any belt with CB)

I think Strafe speed rivals Zeal's, and you have the added advantage of firing from a distance. Maybe with a decent damage fast bow, the added damage + CB would make a decent char...You could even toss OW into it...

Maybe I'll try it anytime soon...

Xena1985

05-11-2005, 20:59

ElJefeII

06-11-2005, 17:35

for a speedazon (if I did'nt hate strafe tryied it back in diablo 2 classic and hated it was #1 cause of death multi = np) I would maximize OW instead of crushing blow seeing as it does 2k dmg over 8 seconds can't be resisted exept for PI and correct me if I'm wrong stacks meaning that if you trigger it say 3 times in 1 seconds you'll be doing 6k over 8s not to mention actual bow dmg but in 8 seconds your likely to hit 20 times it would be a really fast way to bring down regular / champion / unique . for a pure MF zon CB would be better

if you see you have 89% chance to hit in hell, and you fire many arrows per second, you have a decent Pierce, and OW lasts a while, you really only need 15% open wounds about to keep everything bleeding in your line of fire. 1 out of 6 trigger it say, well, you will trigger it on over a 1/4 of the monsters within the first second if they are within your stream, maybe a 1/5. so long as you can trigger OW in 1/8 the monsters in a second, you will have all of them continually bleeding as it lasts for 8 seconds. it has a very long duration compared to most things in hell. I could see 50% would work very well, but if you keep plucking you will make the screen bleed with a lower number.

Crushing blow takes it's damage off BEFORE the damage of the arrow. THis is how it makes extra damage. If it were after, it would be robbed of a few % points, but thankfully it doesnt. Statistics faq shows that as well.

Nope. no crushing blow belt. Would be nice of course.

However: you can use a Ber in a bow. Only problem with that is no Shael in it makes life difficult, unless you get a 15% ias in the helm. Belt's could be (if no ias is greatly needed more) would be a Blood Belt. it leeches life and has a nice level of open wounds.

There is no way that I can figure besides a Ber in a bow runeword or a ber socket in a unique bow that you can hit 100% with Cblow.

anyone that can figure otherwise without using Rattlecage armour, id give them a dollar.

GueLerMe

06-11-2005, 22:21

Hmm, so the Duress + Guillaume's is already set up, OW and CB at the same time ^^ The bow...That's my doubt, I was looking at a Riphook for a while, fast attack speed, slows monsters down -and- OW...I'm not able to make 1337 runewords, I'm a SP'er...

Rattlecage's would carry the CB to 100%, but it just plain sucks in Hell...The gloves are Blood ones, for sure(Aiming for the 20% IAS), armor is Duress(Well, the best choice anyway ^^), Ammy would be a Cat's Eye? Or a Mara's if you need resistances, I think it'll be one of that 2. Rings are Ravenfrost's, prolly ^^
Boots...Gore Riders or Goblin Toe? Maybe I'll carry the 2 ^^, helm is a Guillaume's Face(No other choice here ^^), I'm wondering about the belt, though...and good suggestion?(Maybe Blood crafted ones, as Jefe suggested ^^ But I think Goldwrap would be nice for IAS, or Mavina's Belt). Whatever is possible socketed with Shael's, and a Ber on bow(If you can waste a Ber, though)

Now, points are tricking me...20 Strafe/17 Valk/1 FA/10-20 Penetrate?/8-10 Pierce? That's what I thought about. As this build would be helluva dependant on good AR(Triggering OW and CB), I thought the points on Penetrate and Pierce would be nice...Valk+Merc can't let anything go through(Guillaume's on Merc? ^^), the FA is awesome crowd control, and the 20 Strafe speaks by itself, hehe...Maybe Guided for bosses would be nice? If I'm not mistaken, that can't miss, and the CB would load pretty fast...

Sorry for the hi-jacking of the original thread, but I thought that could be lots of fun...

Omikron8

06-11-2005, 22:51

Belt = razortail or nos coil are also good choices

20 penetrate + 300+ dex should give 80%+ chance to hit for all monsters/bosses in hell as long as you are level 80-90+

ElJefeII

07-11-2005, 09:48

Belt = razortail or nos coil are also good choices

20 penetrate + 300+ dex should give 80%+ chance to hit for all monsters/bosses in hell as long as you are level 80-90+

thats a bit uneeded !

you can just get some sharp charms and a ravenfrost. I never had that much dex ever and I never put more than 3-4 base in penetrate.

shrugs>>??

have you not calculated +ar from charms? Metalgrid would be pimp here.

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NOTE: someone said in another thread that CBLOW only applies to the first 2 arrows in the center.

i duno if that is true, but if so, multishot was crushed :(

cassurai

07-11-2005, 09:53

thats a bit uneeded !

you can just get some sharp charms and a ravenfrost. I never had that much dex ever and I never put more than 3-4 base in penetrate.

shrugs>>??

have you not calculated +ar from charms? Metalgrid would be pimp here.

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NOTE: someone said in another thread that CBLOW only applies to the first 2 arrows in the center.

i duno if that is true, but if so, multishot was crushed :(

Dexterity is mainly there to add damage and the AR boost is just a bonus. Many Zons max penetrate because how often you hit is basically what damage you do over a given period of time since a miss is equivalent to doing 0 damage when you could have done much more. The only reason why you shouldn't max Penetrate is if you're using an ITD bow such a Faith, or if you already have 90+% Chance To Hit in all parts of Hell, which I doubt you can achieve with just items and charms.

ElJefeII

07-11-2005, 18:17

Dexterity is mainly there to add damage and the AR boost is just a bonus. Many Zons max penetrate because how often you hit is basically what damage you do over a given period of time since a miss is equivalent to doing 0 damage when you could have done much more. The only reason why you shouldn't max Penetrate is if you're using an ITD bow such a Faith, or if you already have 90+% Chance To Hit in all parts of Hell, which I doubt you can achieve with just items and charms.

er. ok. you can hit 90% in hell with sharp charms and a weapon like a WF. add the 200-250 from a ravenfrost, it does a whole lot.

shrugs.

items make up for making a build limited severely to dumping 20 pts in a skill that takes 2-3 pts for 1-2% more hit chance. thats a small return.

GueLerMe

07-11-2005, 19:48

Meh, it's not like we have a better place to dump those 20 points...As I'm focusing in CB, Multi wouldn't fit the bill...Maybe you could MAX GA, but, the mana cost is already so low, with decent leech it don't even waste a drop of mana(And it's just for CB pwnage, on single targets...)...Or you could go and max FA and CA, maybe, for PI's...WF and Sharp charms with decent AR ain't so cheap, you know? XD Or just get a ITD Bow and dish GA at Champs/Uniques/Bosses...

Strafe, Valk, CA, FA and Penetrate = 100~ points XD Level 89? Maybe you could go Penetrate in last place, or divide your points between Pierce and Penetrate...

Xena1985

08-11-2005, 08:51

IMO Dex is king regardless, itd does not work on champions and uniques or bosses not sure about minions you want to have as close to the 95% cap for hitting as possible so maxing penetrate is crucial also i would not put in more than 1 or 2 points in pierce if your a speedazon your fireing rate will be very fast as it is so no reason for more. off the top of my head at level 5 or so it gives about 40-50% ?? easly doable with 3-4 to skills. this % will allow you to trigger it often enough . second dont use riphook that bow is utter sh!t the WWS or kuko are both good options for a speedazon and are very common you'll find mutltiple copies of both in nightmare and if not sp trade forum they go for about 5pgems a piece I have 10 or so myself. I'm not a fan of strafe myself but I'm told it can work if your carefull either that or multi and you can trigger ow and cb fast enough to own. I would use a WWS for the extra 2 sheals u can socket it witth the resistance and amp dmg using multishot and having say an 8 frame attack you will trigger it alot :)