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fredsta54
09-10-2005, 03:06
As the title says, i am wanting to make a pvp fury druid, but im not rich.
I can afford 9X plain shape gc's and a mabye a low torch
Not nigma or fort. Nor grief
What i was thinking of using- 3 *ed//ias eth caddy- or etheral shaeled bstar- or something else you can sugggest?
As for armour i have no idea...
As for rings.. dual ravens + highlords probably. Mabye angelic combo?
Storm shield
Draculs?
goreriders
dungos or string
Jalals or cerebus?
On switch a... 2X shael eth'd tombreaver?
Need advice, as fury druids are more suited to rich players, but after killling lvl 95 hammerdins in 1 fury on ladder with my ik druid, i know that perfect gear isnt needed ;)
Basically looking for a ladder, cheapish, effective setup.
Thx
Fred
buttershug
09-10-2005, 05:35
As the title says, i am wanting to make a pvp fury druid, but im not rich.
I can afford 9X plain shape gc's and a mabye a low torch
Not nigma or fort. Nor grief
What i was thinking of using- 3 *ed//ias eth caddy- or etheral shaeled bstar- or something else you can sugggest?
As for armour i have no idea...
As for rings.. dual ravens + highlords probably. Mabye angelic combo?
Storm shield
Draculs?
goreriders
dungos or string
Jalals or cerebus?
On switch a... 2X shael eth'd tombreaver?
Need advice, as fury druids are more suited to rich players, but after killling lvl 95 hammerdins in 1 fury on ladder with my ik druid, i know that perfect gear isnt needed ;)
Basically looking for a ladder, cheapish, effective setup.
Thx
Fred
Whatever you do, take into account skills on the other side of the mouse.
You might want to look at FRW and FHR. And try to think of things that will enhance your own ability to outplay the other person even if they have a better set-up.
In 1.09, me and a friend had a joint project. We put most of our effort into constructing a Fury Druid, with combined wealth it was quite easy.
First off (this will never change): FR/W Charms. Your Life will be deasant as is, and you don't have to stack on all FR/W, just enough to get you where you want to go.
Armor? If you want the skill route, an Arkaine's did it for us (at least for starters). Deasant Defense and all that. Otherwise, go for a simple Shaft (PDR) or (never underestimate this) an ED/Max armor. If you want twinking (hit some FHR cap) a 4-sock/of stability would be best, since it acctually resembles more life if you try to get your FHR from charms.
Weapon? Well, we had a bundle of them. Shaeled Bstar served us well, later on we got a Cruel Phase Blade of Quickness which really blew our minds for a while. And we had a Griswold's Redemption ready to go there as well.
Rest of the gear looks fine, oh, and to make your choice easy: Jalal's, Raven + Highlord + Raven OR good crafted/rare. And Dungo's looks better than String to me.
I'm not really sure, but unless you're making a hybrid, skill charms would be for pre-buff only, so don't overdo your search for those. Still think it's safer to go for the good ol' damage/ar route for all it's worth.
fred, meet me
*sjohann
and you will not have a poor druid anymore....
ow sorry forget it........ i am europe!
why does everyone use ss charms
max/ar/life are better IMO
aznbboi16
09-10-2005, 23:11
why does everyone use ss charms
max/ar/life are better IMO
Read title plz kkthx:
Poor mans pvp fury druid
ss charms arent exactly poor person gear..they use to cost almost an arm and a leg
fredsta54
10-10-2005, 03:01
SS charms cost lem on ladder. I actually have 2 7% fr/w ss gcs ~~
Yes, i plan to hit the 86% fhr bp, at least 5 fpa fury, and with feral + minor r/w from gear, my speed will be fine.
Right now my biggest concern is... Shaeled eth bstar or caddy, or other.
Jalals or cerebus
Any armour suggestions are good (shaft when 2h, 1h ill have ss so no need dr from shaft) Also, i dont need defense on the armour.
Mabye lionheart... resists, stats, dmg, cheap :)
All thoughts are welcome.
Fred
Caddy as in ... ? Gris Caddy (that ain't cheap at all, btw, at least it wasn't in .09 if I remember my values). Go for that (definetly) if that's the case, me thinks that was the best weapon.
As I mentioned before: Jalal's look a lot better to me.
Armor? Well, since my previous suggestion was rather expensive, go for Shaft or ... well ... anything really. Duriel's or Guardian Angel is also insanely good for resists. If you think you can skip the raven (and leave belt slot open for resists, such as snowclash, t-gods, etc, etc) Duriel's a sure bet. I think I used shaft 90% of the time, since our ed/max kind of s*cked.
And a suggestion about the gloves, unless you already have Dracul's, take a look at the good ol' Bloodfists.
the boss
10-10-2005, 15:43
Arkaine's valor is lvl85 which would take AWHILE to get to that far, so i suggest...if you could get a low torch, you are better off getting a fort, regarding of your wealth. DURESS!!!!!!
Cerebus for good open wounds, plus skills and attack rating, if you arent using angelics.....
Weapon, (i'd say griz caddy with ed/ias 4 socket is good enough) maybe you could try a normal death cleaver or something...
Switch should be a cta and lidless/spirit, but eth tomreaver is good too
aznbboi16
10-10-2005, 17:50
ss charms arent exactly poor person gear..they use to cost almost an arm and a leg
Uhh...Maybe we aren't talking about the same game...
SS charms used to be among the cheapest skillers to get (plain or otherwise) besides the really dumb ones like curse gcs.
Now with the patch I would assume SS charms have even dropped back down in price because the carrion bug got messed up and rabies is probably less popular now.
Regardless, max/ar/life cost a whole lot more than SS charms ever did.
fredsta54
11-10-2005, 02:28
Caddy as in ... ? Gris Caddy (that ain't cheap at all, btw, at least it wasn't in .09 if I remember my values). Go for that (definetly) if that's the case, me thinks that was the best weapon.
As I mentioned before: Jalal's look a lot better to me.
Armor? Well, since my previous suggestion was rather expensive, go for Shaft or ... well ... anything really. Duriel's or Guardian Angel is also insanely good for resists. If you think you can skip the raven (and leave belt slot open for resists, such as snowclash, t-gods, etc, etc) Duriel's a sure bet. I think I used shaft 90% of the time, since our ed/max kind of s*cked.
And a suggestion about the gloves, unless you already have Dracul's, take a look at the good ol' Bloodfists.
Yeah, bloodfist is great, ill prbably use that (and will help me hit the 86% bp) Thinking again, i dont think i can afford a low torch, and def not a fort
I can afford gris caddy, because a lot of ppl dont realise its value.
So far, what i have planned-
3X low ed//ias jewels eth caddy- or shaeled eth bstar (need help here)
Dual ravens
Highlords
15% dr string (or dungos.. the mdr on string is pretty good)
Gore riders
Bloodfist
Jalals
SS
Smoke or lionheart (ill have max dr, and these are cheap n good)
On switch.. a non eth 2X shael tombreaver
10X shape gcs and the top row will be resists// life//ar//max//f r/w sc's (a random assortment)
Note that this is on ladder, so it wont do badly (if my ik pvm druid can do ok, this can 2 :) )
Also note that this gear is just what i think will do well, any suggestions are greatly appreciated and i have no experience with a pvp fury druid (other than pvping w/ a pvm setup )
Fred
I'm not much on pvp but i like the lionheart better than the smoke. I know your theme is building on a budget, but lionheart isn't really expensive and is by far the most bang for your buck RW IMHO. What's all this about IK druid's anyway? Sounds like something i'd like to try. :D
inkanddagger
11-10-2005, 05:52
lionheart or duress. those are the best of the cheap armors.
shael bstar works fine - instead of shapes get life charms, even ones without ar/dmg.
one of my first fury druids in 09 used lots of cheap elemental dmg stuff:
bstar, lightning damage small charms, stuff like that. then leech became all important, but ele dmg is still rocking now.
fredsta54
11-10-2005, 23:41
lionheart or duress. those are the best of the cheap armors.
shael bstar works fine - instead of shapes get life charms, even ones without ar/dmg.
one of my first fury druids in 09 used lots of cheap elemental dmg stuff:
bstar, lightning damage small charms, stuff like that. then leech became all important, but ele dmg is still rocking now.
So you would choose eth shaled bstar over caddy, in most scenarios? I can afford max//life charms or ar//life charms but not all on the same charm ;)
Yeah, i think ill be going w/ lionheart.. its godly! (sorta)
I have a 1-40 light dmg sc, and i could probably get more, but in 1.11 pvp, i dont think small amounts of ele dmg will do very well.
so ill be using the same setup as before, only i now know that ill be using lionheart now, and im taking your word for the eth shael bstar, but i thought it only > caddy in druidpk?
As for charms... a few ss gcs, ill only go with ones with mods ( i have 2 7% r/w ss gcs, and some +strength ones) Life//max//ar random assortment, resist charms to cover the weak spots, ill figure it out.
thx for your help :thumbsup:
Anyone else who has had exp with both caddy and eth shael bstar's opinion will also be appreciated
EDIT: shaeled bstar is only 10/5 fury, is that enough?
Fred
xpumafangx
13-10-2005, 01:29
10/5 is enuff.
its 9/5
and you cant get an eth caddy ;)
shael estar was the "shiznit" in 1.09
fredsta54
13-10-2005, 03:01
its 9/5
and you cant get an eth caddy ;)
shael estar was the "shiznit" in 1.09
oh, cool, 9/5 is fine.
I know you cant get eth caddy.
So what do you think of caddy vs shael estar?
Fred
i have a crappy caddy and an estar
i havent used teh estar before, ive used shael bstars in dueling
i liek the shael bstar especially if they lack block/resistances (sorcs) it comes as a suprise to them, otherwise i think caddy would be better (more damage/speed)
Smoke or lionheart (ill have max dr, and these are cheap n good)
Lionheart looks a lot better than Smoke. Duress, perhaps? It's a tad bit more expensive, but not that much. Basicly, one Rune that's a bit more expensive (um) it should still be rather affordable in the end.
Here's a real cheap one that I acctually calculated a build around, and is quite easy to get together yourself. Jeweler's <armor> of Stability, 4 x Shael. 104% FHR. It's a bit over the top if you settle for hitting realistic breakpoints (mine wasn't ;)). You can shop for a jeweler's, or trading for a gothic plate with those stats is rather cheap. If you punch it out in terms of charms, it's a truckload of life. But that's calculating in the fact that you acctually want that much FHR to begin with...
10X shape gcs and the top row will be resists// life//ar//max//f r/w sc's (a random assortment)
Still, if you want to use Shapce GCs you should really try to work in Rabies or Fire Claws into the build. IMO for pure, Physical Melee damage dealers: Plain AR/Dam > SS Skillers. Try your hardest to get plain ones with ar/dam, or plain with ar/life. Those skillers, of course, will add percentages in form of extra skill points but remember that you still need a high base for those percentages to work.
For Hybrids, or Pure Rabies/FC builds, then Skillers would be your route.
Also note that this gear is just what i think will do well, any suggestions are greatly appreciated and i have no experience with a pvp fury druid (other than pvping w/ a pvm setup )
Well, I can't say there's anything wrong with your gear. Except that this is the Hybrids/Casters patch. Any pure melee will have a more difficult time than others. Melee never really was a cheap option. You're really item dependant. Without perfect gear it doesn't matter how good you are. A dueller with better gear and equal or less than equal skills will probably win.
For instance, we had a guy in the Duelling League we competed in. A dang good Werewolf. He used a Shael Bstar most of the time, and he won a lot. He had experience and skill. But as soon as we started getting better gear and some routine we won more fights against him.
Same goes in the case where I build my Mauler, and duelled my friend who had that Wolf. My gear was rather good for a standard Mauler. I therefore won more fights, even if was the very first times.
If you want to I can write up some tactics that I deployed as well. I faired rather well vs. most. Can't say I took 'em all, but neither did they :).
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