I want to make an MF sork... A guide?

[Punkonjunk]

Basically, I just won a full tal's set, and I'm considering making a sorceress, and I'd like to make on that can actually take on hell. Whats my best choice for this? I've never used a caster before at all, so I'm totally new on sorks.

[RetroStar]

For the build I would go with blizzard if it's only for Mfing. I think it's the most effective.

For the equip, just try to get max resist in Hell and the rest of the gear, either get +skills or MF.

[moranor]

I don't think anyone will agree with me on this, but if you're gonna mf meph and pindel I would suggest:

20 Warmth
20 FO
20 CM
20 Ice bolt
10 Static
+6 synergies

@ lvl 85

I think orb > blizz despite the lower damage, and I've always liked killing meph with it

Another option is to ditch Icebolt, only but 10 in CM and a bit less into warmth and static and invest in TS and LM. Why? Great for killing the bloodlords around meph while you're busy with the chests (they're cold immune :)

[jake007]

go for a dual tree build if you're planning to use tal set.

Meteorb works a wonder.

[RetroStar]

go for a dual tree build if you're planning to use tal set.

Meteorb works a wonder.

Not if he's just gonna MF.

Orb > Blizz for mf? You must be joking.. I'll wanna see how long it will take you to kill meph with orb vs. blizzard.

[AnimeCraze]

Orb + fireball. He goes down in 20 seconds most with what I have now. When I get full Tal's, it will be even faster. ie. It gets the job done, even though blizz might do it a little faster.

[yelopen]

Blizzard is the fastest Meph MF'er and most efficient.

[jake007]

Not if he's just gonna MF.
Orb > Blizz for mf? You must be joking.. I'll wanna see how long it will take you to kill meph with orb vs. blizzard.


Using tal set and not taking advantage of it's boost to all trees is just plain dumb.

Meteorb can handle most areas and bosses with ease, with blizzard you are pretty much restricted to pindle/mephisto/andy.

Also, fireball kills andy much faster and safer than blizzard sorceress can chew.

[Andy2702]

Meteorbs are pretty much all round, but blizzsorcs shine when they mf :).

[ChaoticOrb]

I believe all kinds of sorcs that the previous posters posted are great. But it definitely depends on where do you intend to MF.

AreaLvl 85 places?
Meph?
Pindle?
Andy?

I do not have good advice, but I'm currently having a PureFire Meteor/FBall doing a little Pindle and Andy. Speed-wise is not too bad. I'm afraid of going to meph, because of the stupid dolls. >_>

[Punkonjunk]

I would like to do area level 85, if possible. Is it entirely impossable to MF hell baal?
Basically, I would like to do the highest are level MFing a sorc can possibly take on, and I know nothing about sorcs right now.

[noodleor]

My mf char is a meteorb sorc with tal's set... I really recommend meteorb over blizz unless you're set on doing baal runs. Meteorb can still kill baal it's just much slower than my other characters, so I don't bother. Never tried baal with blizz though, i'm just assuming it's much easier :rolleyes:


Blizzard is the fastest Meph MF'er and most efficient.

That seems to be the big selling point for blizzard, but I find it very hard to believe a blizz sorc can kill so much faster than me, that it justifies the loss of versatility.

Counting from the moment I enter durance 3, I can have meph dead within 15 seconds, i've actually timed this and it's usually around 12-13 seconds when he bites it. Assuming blizz sorcs do kill much faster than me, they'll save what? 5-6 seconds per run?

Andy is a joke, easily dead within 5 secs of entering cats 4. Pit and key runs are no trouble for meteorb either, cows are doable but probably easier with blizz. I imagine a blizz sorc would have a much easier time with diablo/baal though.

For equipment, i'm using stormshield, wisp projector, nature's peace (for nihlathak), war travs and some rare gloves with mf/resists. Then there's an ali baba and some shield on switch. You might want to use trang's gloves or magefists to reach the 63% fcr break point though.

[RetroStar]

Using tal set and not taking advantage of it's boost to all trees is just plain dumb.

Meteorb can handle most areas and bosses with ease, with blizzard you are pretty much restricted to pindle/mephisto/andy.

Also, fireball kills andy much faster and safer than blizzard sorceress can chew.

Why not make a tri elementalist if you want to take advantage of the +skills..

He's just mfing, not playing the whole game. Most mfers just tele to the boss and kill them. Most don't try to kill everything in their way..

Fireball kills faster than blizzard? You must be joking. The effected area of Blizzard covers a larger area and since meph doesn't move a lot, it's more effective.

As stated by many, blizzard is the best for pure mfing.

[RetroStar]

That seems to be the big selling point for blizzard, but I find it very hard to believe a blizz sorc can kill so much faster than me, that it justifies the loss of versatility.

Counting from the moment I enter durance 3, I can have meph dead within 15 seconds, i've actually timed this and it's usually around 12-13 seconds when he bites it. Assuming blizz sorcs do kill much faster than me, they'll save what? 5-6 seconds per run?

Andy is a joke, easily dead within 5 secs of entering cats 4. Pit and key runs are no trouble for meteorb either, cows are doable but probably easier with blizz. I imagine a blizz sorc would have a much easier time with diablo/baal though.


Blizzard is better than meteorb in most mf except for Chaos Sanctuary where the knight dudes are immune to cold.

It varies according to the boss he wants to run. we're gonna go no where if he doesn't tell us any info. He could be mfing Grisworld or something..

[AnimeCraze]

Fireball kills andy much faster. Andy has CBF and -50% fire resist. I wouldn't say the same for meph. Also, Blizz sorc will get owned if she goes to the pits or WSK.

[yelopen]

Also, Blizz sorc will get owned if she goes to the pits or WSK.

Blizz can do WSK with a nice merc though, just static the dudes and let merc finish off. Then on those Super Uniques in throne, just static+telekinesis to stun and let merc finish off.

It takes longer, but it still works.

Best for WSK is Meteorb or Lightning+Infinity.

[AnimeCraze]

Clean WSK? Not just Throne? I somehow doubt that you can do that with a Blizz sorc.

[noodleor]

It varies according to the boss he wants to run. we're gonna go no where if he doesn't tell us any info. He could be mfing Grisworld or something..

That's true, it all comes down to personal preference... And Lady Luck.

I've played d2 on-and-off since it was released and this time around things have really been different for me. I used to aim for the "perfect" mf character, finding an optimal level of speed and mf, my luck was terrible though... Compared to other times i've played, my luck, this ladder season, has been amazing and my mf% is relatively low.

Blizzard probably is the best for exclusive mf runs, on select monsters, but unless he's aiming for the perfect Meph/Pindle runner, I would recommend Meteorb. Besides, I wouldn't be using Tal's set for the "perfect" mf character.

It all comes down to luck and personal preference. If you don't have the luck, you're going to get crap drops no matter what you do. With that in mind, I think it's best to just do what you find the most fun ;)

[Punkonjunk]

I would like to do area level 85, if possible. Is it entirely impossable to MF hell baal?
Basically, I would like to do the highest are level MFing a sorc can possibly take on, and I know nothing about sorcs right now.

I DID say something. :rolleyes:

I'd like to run hell bosses, baal is preference, but meph would be a runner up.

I've got all of the tals set, and eschuta's, and an ormus's robes.

[noodleor]

I DID say something. :rolleyes:

I'd like to run hell bosses, baal is preference, but meph would be a runner up.

I've got all of the tals set, and eschuta's, and an ormus's robes.

Imo you're better off leaving the Baal runs to a non-sorc character. I've heard dream sorcs pwn Baal, although, I have no idea what their mf % would be and i've never tried one :p

For level 85 areas, like pits, a decent meteorb should be able to kill anything, blizzard would probably have to skip all the physical + cold immunes you run into and take out the cold immunes with static + merc...

[jake007]

Why not make a tri elementalist if you want to take advantage of the +skills..


This is because Tri elementalist are in-effective as the useful skills in fire & lightning tree requires extensive synergies. Meteorbs benefit from 2 of the bonuses, also dual Fire+Cold immunes are quite rare and can usually be handled by half decent merc + static field.

Remember, A complete tal set gives -15% Fire and Lightning enemy Resistance and +15% Cold damage. Frozen Orb benefits more from the extra cold damage than extra skill points as it's only synergied by frozen bolt, whereas blizzard benefit less as it receive synergies from multiple skills.


He's just mfing, not playing the whole game. Most mfers just tele to the boss and kill them. Most don't try to kill everything in their way..

Fireball kills faster than blizzard? You must be joking. The effected area of Blizzard covers a larger area and since meph doesn't move a lot, it's more effective.


I have a blizzard sorceress and I can tell you that the best thing about a blizzard sorceress is that she can kill with Heap Loads of MF. This guy obviously stated that he's going to use Tal set, so the advantage of blizzard sorceress diminishes here.

Fireball does kill faster and safer than blizzard against Andy.



As stated by many, blizzard is the best for pure mfing.

Corrections: Best for dedicated mephisto runs.

[Punkonjunk]

Meteorb sounds pretty good. Can I get a metoerb sorc guide?

[Mr_Addict]

Trust me pure blizz (with decent equip - and ful tals is decent equip!) can easily do Baal runs on hell. Just get hold of a weapon for you merc. Best is Tomb Reaver due to the + bonus to Undead attacks (IIRC, both the skeletons, the souls and the OK are undead), but Bonehew and other will do.

My old sorc used

Shako
Occy
Tal Armor
Tal ammy
Tal belt
WT's
Frosties
Lidless
Ravenfrost + Rare /w resist
Alibaba + Rhyme on switch

Merc used
Tomb reaver (AmnAmnAmn)
Gaze
Shaft

This give you decent resist, 70 FCR, 1,2 k life, 800+ mana and 300+ MF + a merc that dishes out 3k damage. I had 4 k blizz, but more is possible with SoJs, and skillers, which I had none (or 1, don't remember) of. She killed fine though.

- Mr_addict