i fIND nECROS bORING...

[rikstaker]

Just IMO.. :thumbsup:

I get bored very quickly playing them.

Rik

[Good Fer Nothin SOB]

I find this post boring...and pointless.

[Evil Monkey]

The only downside on necros, in my opinion, is that there only are, basically, three different builds: Summoner/Skelliemancer, Poison- and Bone-necro. :(

[aman]

I find this post boring...and pointless.

It's not pointless :p

The only downside on necros, in my opinion, is that there only are, basically, three different builds: Summoner/Skelliemancer, Poison- and Bone-necro.

There are other builds as well like
Commandomancer , Dentist and
Daggermancer


Have alook in the guides section for more

@Rik any builds in particular you found boring




Aman

[RealmOftheWolf]

The only downside on necros, in my opinion, is that there only are, basically, three different builds: Summoner/Skelliemancer, Poison- and Bone-necro. :(

There are many more builds than that. first off hybrids like summon/poison necro and some odd builds while not as fast as summoner but are certainly viable. maleemancer for example. max all bone armor and senergies and smart use of the different curses.(one of my favourite builds i might add.)
look at the guide thread.

Many of my friends find necros more fun to play as do I.

[Evil Monkey]

I have read the guides and I stand by my word.

Commandomancer - Variant of Skelliemancer, just more skellies.
Daggermancer - Poison-necro focusing on one of the three poison skills instead of another - Poison Dagger.
Dentist - Same as above, just with bone - Teeth.
Meleemancer - Same as above - Bone Armor.

Rest of the build just basically max one-point wonders, such as Dim Vision and Revive. All golems and all curses just need one point to be effective, so that doesn't really leave much room for experiments.

To me, compared to other classes, that's very little variety.

[rikstaker]

@Rik any builds in particular you found boring


Skellimancer & Poisonmancer.Boney is better,though I havent built one seriously.

Rik

[nickedoff]

The only downside on necros, in my opinion, is that there only are, basically, three different builds: Summoner/Skelliemancer, Poison- and Bone-necro.

Shame on you!
Bownecros, hexomancers, suicidenecros, auranecros, nightmares, vengeanecs...


Skellimancer & Poisonmancer.Boney is better,though I havent built one seriously.
..You just said necs are boring. Plus, summoners usually smack the crap out of bone necs PvP.

[RealmOftheWolf]

maleemancer is a totally different build to boners or skelemancers they aim for high physical or elemental damage and go toe to toe with the minions of hell and dont use bone spear.

Barb have the lowest amount of builds id say. they jus pick a weapon choose ww conc frenzy berzerk double throw or war cry

necro
poison
bone
malee
curse (mostly attract )
summon nec (main focus skeleton warriors)
summon nec (main focus skeleton mages)
damage return nec (uses revives,thorns.iron maiden to kill enemys)
Thrower (use lower resist and uses high ele damage gear and/or charms to inflict damage. quite effective)

there are many more builds look beyond all the "cookie cutter" builds.

I have even made a successful berzerk necro lol quite effective. look at the r/ws and necro skillz ull see there is a whole lot more to a necro than a summoner, boner. poison nec. im sure every1 else will agree with me

[Mad Mantis]

Wow, I thought this would turn into a giant flame fest. I should give you guys more credibility. I’m glad to see the sensible Necros decided to stick around.


Commandomancer - Variant of Skelliemancer, just more skellies.
Daggermancer - Poison-necro focusing on one of the three poison skills instead of another - Poison Dagger.
Dentist - Same as above, just with bone - Teeth.
Meleemancer - Same as above - Bone Armor.

When does a build become something different? Is being forced into a different play style not different enough? A Poisonmancer and Daggermancer play nothing alike. They require different gear and have different means of crowd control. An unique build goes further than just a different skill set-up.

[Evil Monkey]

Hey dont think I don't treasure necros as much as the rest of this forum, I'm just saying...

Maybe my main problem is, that necros are so dependant on synergies. Unlike barbs, to use that example, who can get away with 20 pts in Whirlwind and own with that, a necro needs 100 pts in Bone skills to get a good Bone Spear or 60 points in Poison skills to get a good Poison Nova. On top of that, basically every necro needs ~10 curses.

You can't get poison and bone and bone and summon, now where Marrows are "gone", so in that respect, I dont see much room for experiments.

I might change my mind, the day I see a Mojomancer-guide though =P

[RealmOftheWolf]

Hey dont think I don't treasure necros as much as the rest of this forum, I'm just saying...

Maybe my main problem is, that necros are so dependant on synergies. Unlike barbs, to use that example, who can get away with 20 pts in Whirlwind and own with that, a necro needs 100 pts in Bone skills to get a good Bone Spear or 60 points in Poison skills to get a good Poison Nova. On top of that, basically every necro needs ~10 curses.

You can't get poison and bone and bone and summon, now where Marrows are "gone", so in that respect, I dont see much room for experiments.

I might change my mind, the day I see a Mojomancer-guide though =P

lol a barb cant be very effective without a mastery and a attack skill so thats 40 points plus pre :lol:
while i can be a summoner with 40 point no pre and bone summon is still possible a bone/summon is a necro with bone support to get the ball rolling if u know what i mean.

i can still crack a good 1k damage spear with my old bone summon nec enough to get the ball rollin :clap: and about the curse my new summoner has only 1 curse AMP thats all ive ever needed.

oh and about mojomancer if thats a curse nec i made a slow but able to eventually finish hell .

attract and iron maiden with good ol gumby as company lol slow but it works

All my necros wear a mage plate armor (enigma or que hagens) for the red pants effect.


"LONG LIVE THE MAN IN THE RED PANTS!!!!" :clap:

lol i know im crazy

[jag]

I think barbs are boring :P

Not really sure i understand point of this thread. If you dont like necros, dont play them. I dont like Barbs, so i dont play them. I dont feel the need to go to the Barb strat section and tell the people obviously most interested in them that they are 'wrong' or boring. Seems like this thread was just posted for an pointless arguement.

[RealmOftheWolf]

I think barbs are boring :P

Not really sure i understand point of this thread. If you dont like necros, dont play them. I dont like Barbs, so i dont play them. I dont feel the need to go to the Barb strat section and tell the people obviously most interested in them that they are 'wrong' or boring. Seems like this thread was just posted for an pointless arguement.

Started off with rikstaker sayin there boring then evil monkey sayin the only downside to necros is there limited to 3 builds. i was just correcting that :P

There was no point in makeing this thread though.

[Evil Monkey]

Started off with rikstaker sayin there boring then evil monkey sayin the only downside to necros is there limited to 3 builds. i was just correcting that :P

And I still think it is. . . more or less. :) It's just a matter of focus on the synergies you've maxed.

[Mad Mantis]

Hey dont think I don't treasure necros as much as the rest of this forum, I'm just saying...

Maybe my main problem is, that necros are so dependant on synergies. Unlike barbs, to use that example, who can get away with 20 pts in Whirlwind and own with that, a necro needs 100 pts in Bone skills to get a good Bone Spear or 60 points in Poison skills to get a good Poison Nova. On top of that, basically every necro needs ~10 curses.

I wasn't implying that you didn't like the class, all I wanted to know was when you considered something to be a new build and asked some questions to be considered.

It is true that you really are dependant on synergies. The only time you can really get away with a major spell cheaply is with Skellies. A 1/20 distribution gives decent Skellies, but then you need to collect about +10 skills. What bothers me is the loss of the various Golemancers.

[RealmOftheWolf]

lol golemancers died with a 100 points into a skill ud think it could at least get past nightmare with out a merc :P

[Mastashanglang]

i have a boner and i think its really fun to play with it lol

[Grimes]

Commandomancer - Variant of Skelliemancer, just more skellies

i would say a skelimancer has more skelies than a comando as he has more + skill gear and also the commando gos melee wich is a big difference going from caster to melee.

just my opinoin

[Evil Monkey]

I wasn't implying that you didn't like the class, all I wanted to know was when you considered something to be a new build and asked some questions to be considered.

I know, I was referring to nickedoff's comment. For me, two builds differs when you max different skills. Let's say you got 3 offensive maxed out skills - I don't consider it "a new build" each time you attack with either of them. That's all I'm saying.

Grimes - Well, in my opinion, the key in a build is skill-distribution, and since commandomancer is just a skelliemancer with mages, that's why I defined it as a skelliemancer variant.

[Necrochild313]

Theres really only two barb types. Melee and Singer.

[Evil Monkey]

Theres really only two barb types. Melee and Singer.

Which category does Throwing Barb belong to? :p

[RealmOftheWolf]

Ranged malee or sumthin :clap:

[Oloden]

Ranged malee or sumthin :clap: i like necs too but thats true there arent enough builds out and people just make up fancy names and hybrids buth the truth is summoner| poison | bone and then theres a bunch of weak hybrids

[RealmOftheWolf]

lol weak aint the word. Slower more like it.

[JanusJones]

Try a Nightmare (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=350796) - they aren't weak and they aren't slow. They kill fast and make people say "WTF?!" a whoooooole lot - which is fun.

Also, aren't people supposed to get banned for trolling? I love Rik and all, and he's been here a long time - but isn't that even more reason he should be behaving better? Shame on you Rik. :o

[Mastashanglang]

so does anyone wana play with my boner?

[Necrochild313]

Which category does Throwing Barb belong to? :p

The same as above, just throwing weapons

[AnimeCraze]

At least necros doesn't depend on weapons as barb does. Try playing a barb with no rush, no twink, no mfing, with each place is to be played AT MOST once, and no party. See how fast they get raped in hell. Now do the same for necro, and see how it doesn't get raped in hell in 5 seconds. We depend on skill points just as much as barbs depends on items.

[RealmOftheWolf]

lol good point made :clap:

[rikstaker]

Wow, I thought this would turn into a giant flame fest.

That was the idea. :cool:

Theres really only two barb types. Melee and Singer.

Not good enough. :fish: :fish:

*Barb plunder in progress*

Seriously apart from 3 main builds,all you've got are Jordy666ish TM builds-builds that are not really effective & built just for the sake of building it.Commandomancer might be an exception but thats gear oriented build,apart from that theres nothing that effective.

I expect gentle replies. :uhhuh:

janusjone-I dont think this is trolling just a little friendly & fun discussion.There isnt any hostility involved & I hold all Necro forum regulers in high respect.

Rik

[Ash Housewares]

Iplaybarbcuzteyrfun

[Necrochild313]

Iplaybarbcuzteyrfun

enuff stats to win n pk

Pick me! Pick me! I can be even more vague!

We have two types of builds in diablo.

The kind that uses weapons to hit stuff (such as bashy things, slashy things, shooty things, and stabby things) and the kind uses spells to kill stuff (shooty things, summony things, effecty things).

Do I get a prize?

[cotton]

The kind that uses weapons to hit stuff (such as bashy things, slashy things, shooty things, and stabby things) and the kind uses spells to kill stuff (shooty things, summony things, effecty things).



NC, you left out a LOT of builds.

There are the builds that help other people kill things but don't kill anything themselves, like mojos and clerics. There are exactly 3 of these on bnet, according to rumors. I swear, my friend Jamey said his friend Razor told him a guy he Baaled with had seen one.

There are builds that come into games to ask, "Is BoTD Good? How do you make it? Can I have one?" This build is extremely flexible and has many variations.

There are builds that enter games and spam nonsense in pretty colors until everybody squelches them.

There are builds that are in ActV hell at level 2, often one of the "pretty color" or "Does anybody have a Windforce?" builds above.

I'll not even mention the "XXXXXXs suck" builds, with the Xs being your choice of Necros, Druids, Assassins, and Frenchmen.

This is truly a varied and fascinating game.

[nickedoff]

Well said, cotton.

However, Mojos 'n Medics are the shootemup kind of spellcaster :\

"Is BoTD Good? How do you make it? Can I have one?"
.me cringe cringe cringe cringe

[Necrochild313]

However, Mojos 'n Medics are the shootemup kind of spellcaster :\

Yup ;), Mojos are the effecty kind actually, and they are SUPPOSED to be able to kill with iron maiden, but they haven't been able to well since 1.10.

Clerics, as nicked said, are they shooty kind. Undead phear their lewt powerz!!1111

There are builds that come into games to ask, "Is BoTD Good? How do you make it? Can I have one?" This build is extremely flexible and has many variations.

There are builds that enter games and spam nonsense in pretty colors until everybody squelches them.

There are builds that are in ActV hell at level 2, often one of the "pretty color" or "Does anybody have a Windforce?" builds above.

I'll not even mention the "XXXXXXs suck" builds, with the Xs being your choice of Necros, Druids, Assassins, and Frenchmen.

I completely forgot those builds. I think they are called the town builds, because very frequently they never leave it.

[JanusJones]

Wow, I thought this would turn into a giant flame fest.
That was the idea. :cool:
janusjones-I dont think this is trolling just a little friendly & fun discussion.There isnt any hostility involved & I hold all Necro forum regulers in high respect.
Rik

Hmmm . . . you WANTED it to be a flame-fest and you don't consider that trolling? Glad to hear you hold necros in respect, at least.

Frankly I consider Necros to be one of the most adaptable builds out there for one simple reason: curses. The game-play variety possible using curses is almost limitless: you can play a melee variant with Amp Damage, an elementalist with Lower Resist (a la the recently discussed Vengeful Necro (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=392071&highlight=Kingslayer) or Nightmare), a slow-variant (Decrepify, Clay Golem, an ICE bow, and plenty of slow-on-hit equipment . . . always thought this would be hilarious!), a Summoner, a Boner, a Poisonmancer, a Dagger-mancer, etc.

Barbs? Fury, Concentrate, WW, Singer. Basically except for the Singer the strategy is the same: max BO, max relevant combat skill, whack things till they're dead. Everyone who's ever complained that D2 was a lousy game because it was just point-click gameplay played a barbarian, in my humble opinion. :p

I also think, barring the Mangudai, that the Barbarian forum has been one of the ones where weird ideas have been met with less enthusiasm than any other. Granted, a lot of folks are wary of any non-cookie cutter build that isn't automatically and obviously "l33t pwnage" (when will people re-learn the English language?). But still - entertain a little more variety, won't you?

Assassins are my new favorite class. There are so many viable assassin skills that haven't been adequately explored, and they take a lot of finesse and style to play. Plus, they aren't half as underpowered as I'd thought - with the right gear and design they're just as scary as the best of the other classes.

[rikstaker]

Hmmm . . . you WANTED it to be a flame-fest and you don't consider that trolling? Glad to hear you hold necros in respect, at least.


You missed the smilie & its point.MM didnt.If you've got a problem, you have a report post button at the top right corner.Use that & let MM decide if its trolling or not & take appropriate action.

Looks like graveyard is the place with some sense of humour.

Rik

[cotton]

Looks like graveyard is the place with some sense of humour.


Things are always funnier in the graveyard :thumbsup:

[rikstaker]

Things are always funnier in the graveyard :thumbsup:

Aint it such an irony?..:p

BTW-Who came up with the slogan "eventually everyone ends up here" ? :D brilliant I must say.

Rik

[RetroStar]

I havn't read everything in the thread. Though I must agree.

Necromancers are boring :mad:

[Necrochild313]

I havn't read everything in the thread. Though I must agree.

Necromancers are boring :mad:

All old people are boring. What did you expect?













[/sarcasm]

[RetroStar]

All old people are boring. What did you expect?













[/sarcasm]


That's true. :eek:

[Holyknight]

You can't say that a character is boring, but you can say that it's not your style. Depending on what you like, some builds might not be as fun for you, but it doesn't mean that they suck. I personally don't like to play caster-type characters, but I don't think that sorceresses suck at all!

A month ago, I started a Poison Daggermancer, and it was a whole new ground for me. I'm used to play paladins, zealots to be more exact. So I went from purely melee character that attacked multiple targets automatically to a character that uses spells and curses with some single target melee attack. It's a big change for me, but Infector (my necro, wich is also my first necro ever!) is now at level 52, and I can say that I'm discovering a whole new game with this one! It's not always as easy or steady as my previous zealots, but it's normal since I'm learning how to use this new character.

So what I'm saying is that a character isn't really boring just because they don't fit your style of play. Trying something new is always a good thing, even if the end result isn't always positive.

[RetroStar]

You can't say that a character is boring, but you can say that it's not your style. Depending on what you like, some builds might not be as fun for you, but it doesn't mean that they suck. I personally don't like to play caster-type characters, but I don't think that sorceresses suck at all!

A month ago, I started a Poison Daggermancer, and it was a whole new ground for me. I'm used to play paladins, zealots to be more exact. So I went from purely melee character that attacked multiple targets automatically to a character that uses spells and curses with some single target melee attack. It's a big change for me, but Infector (my necro, wich is also my first necro ever!) is now at level 52, and I can say that I'm discovering a whole new game with this one! It's not always as easy or steady as my previous zealots, but it's normal since I'm learning how to use this new character.

So what I'm saying is that a character isn't really boring just because they don't fit your style of play. Trying something new is always a good thing, even if the end result isn't always positive.

We never said our opinion represents everyone's. I don't think they suck.

I just said Necromancer are boring for me. That doesn't really mena it will apply to all of you.

[Holyknight]

You just say that they are boring, without even explaining why or giving us any sort of information. That's not much of an opinion, just a statement! There's no point of just saying that you don't like them if you don't even let people know why you feel this way, other than probably getting a few people mad!

[Oloden]

no ones getting mad but possibly you, concidering the bored name this is a relativly flmae free thread he made here. and no he doesnt think they dont match his playing style, he says he thinks there boring you dont have to say paint drying isnt your style you can say its moring if you dont enjoy or get anysort of pleasure from it and theres no way o prove necs are boring sos even if he made a 84 point presentation its still a opinion mine? necs are boring

[RealmOftheWolf]

Necros are one of my favourite chars :D unless im playin a bonemancer then im bored in about two seconds of spamming. Barbs bore me totally though.

Run-SMACK-SMACK-Next target-Repeat

Tele-WW that way-ww other way- if not dead ww back >next target.- repeat


Some people actually like watching paint dry lol

[Necrochild313]

Necros are one of my favourite chars :D unless im playin a bonemancer then im bored in about two seconds of spamming. Barbs bore me totally though.

Run-SMACK-SMACK-Next target-Repeat

Tele-WW that way-ww other way- if not dead ww back >next target.- repeat


Some people actually like watching paint dry lol

F-F-F-F-F-FRENZY!!!!!!!

[RealmOftheWolf]

F-F-F-F-F-FRENZY!!!!!!!

ok

RUN-SMACK SMACK. Run even faster -SMACK SMACK (this ones tough going to need another round) SMACK SMACK - Next target-Repeat

:lol:

[JanusJones]

Rik - no offense meant if none was intended. :) Been meaning to add that for a while now.

I've been thinking about Frenzy barbs for a while now. My temptation has been to make one with maxed synergies and NO weapon mastery - because he'd be wielding dual Death's Webs and Treachery armor! Hee hee . . . or a Grief in one hand and a Death's Web in the other - I dunno. Might be fun.

The other one I've been dying to try is a Stun barb - one with maxed Stun and maxed War Cry. The Stun duration for a level 20 Stun with maxed War Cry is 9 seconds - the longest in the game for ANY stun skill! Might be fun - when they come charging at you, you yell till they lock up (lots of FCR important here) then punch'em till they get stunned - and then keep hammering till they drop! Maybe throw in a Leap or two as they charge to knock'em back a bit.

Man . . . I so have to try that build! It's killing me! :lol:

[Souljer]

Rik - no offense meant if none was intended. :) Been meaning to add that for a while now.

I've been thinking about Frenzy barbs for a while now. My temptation has been to make one with maxed synergies and NO weapon mastery - because he'd be wielding dual Death's Webs and Treachery armor! Hee hee . . . or a Grief in one hand and a Death's Web in the other - I dunno. Might be fun.

The other one I've been dying to try is a Stun barb - one with maxed Stun and maxed War Cry. The Stun duration for a level 20 Stun with maxed War Cry is 9 seconds - the longest in the game for ANY stun skill! Might be fun - when they come charging at you, you yell till they lock up (lots of FCR important here) then punch'em till they get stunned - and then keep hammering till they drop! Maybe throw in a Leap or two as they charge to knock'em back a bit.

Man . . . I so have to try that build! It's killing me! :lol:
I was going to try a Frenzy Barb utilizing dual Grief Phase Blades with tons of poison damage from charms. Ladder reset and I got busy with getting setup on the new season, though. A couple months later I quit. :/ I also heard that with Venom active from Grief the poison damage from the charms gets cancelled out...

I disagree about Necros being boring.


Janus, go check your Assassin guide in the forum. I would like your opinions of my statements.


P.S. There's something wrong whenever I go to the Assassin forum, though. I always end up with any other links to webpages of forums.diabloii.net not being able to connect...

[Necrochild313]

ok

RUN-SMACK SMACK. Run even faster -SMACK SMACK (this ones tough going to need another round) SMACK SMACK - Next target-Repeat

:lol:

Yes, but you can let out a loud masculine ROAR when doing so!

I've been thinking about Frenzy barbs for a while now. My temptation has been to make one with maxed synergies and NO weapon mastery - because he'd be wielding dual Death's Webs and Treachery armor! Hee hee . . . or a Grief in one hand and a Death's Web in the other - I dunno. Might be fun.

OMG I've wanted to make a ww barb with 2x dwebs and a crapload of poison charms. Treachery and frenzy sounds great though! Nice idea! Though I'm pretty sure mace mastery effects wands. I know it effects staves. The ar bonus won't hurt.