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Mastashanglang

30-09-2005, 03:13

Mad Mantis

30-09-2005, 12:38

Take a good look at Soulesschild's guide which you can find in The Mouldy Tome: Necromancer Guides, Tips and Tests (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=366742). It has the info you seek.

RetroStar

30-09-2005, 16:59

I am now lvl 82 and i seem to be struggling untill i get my hands on some charms. what is a good damage for bone necro for spear and bs? what is a good life i should aim for? im hittin the 125% FCR and i use an ss, i have a homunculus just in case tho.

SS is only required vs. WW Barbs, Charger, etc. Use Homunculus for most duels. Darkforge Spawn would be the best

Mastashanglang

30-09-2005, 17:33

SS is only required vs. WW Barbs, Charger, etc. Use Homunculus for most duels. Darkforge Spawn would be the best

the ones i face are the once u mentioned.. well ww barbs are pretty devastating, i know b/c i have a bvc. anyway the ss would be good vs windy druids too. i will use humonculos vs casters b/c of the resists. what i want to know is what is a good damage to have for a bone necro. theres no where stating what to shoot for

despot

30-09-2005, 17:54

I don't see why Darkforce is better than Spirit Monarch runeword.
And I don't see why not a SINGLE guide lists it, prolly cause the it's new...

Darkforce
+140-180% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+1-3 To Summoning Skills (Necromancer Only) (varies)
+1-3 To Poison And Bone Skills (Necromancer Only) (varies)
+1-3 To Curses (Necromancer Only) (varies)
+30% Faster Cast Rate
Increase Maximum Mana 10%
It has cool +3 to bone, and fast cast, some mana which is handy too, and that's it, but let's take a look into Spirit :

Spirit shield
+2 To All Skills
+25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies)
+55% Faster Hit Recovery
+250 Defense Vs. Missile
+22 To Vitality
+89-112 To Mana (varies)
Cold Resist +35%
Lightning Resist +35%
Poison Resist +35%
+3-8 Magic Absorb (varies)
Attacker Takes Damage of 14

Simply impressive, 2 to all skills, useful for CTA too, 35 fast cast, which means 5% more fast cast, very nice since you need 125 for the last fast cast breakpoint, omg, 55 faster hit recovery, just awesome, nice defense against missile, vitality which is always not enough, mana helps, very good resists and magic absorb which no other item has...

Items combinations for fast cast:

With Darkforce
Shield: Darkforce, 30
Belt: Arach, 20
Glove: Any 20 fast cast glove
Wep: Wiz , 50 or Hoto for 40
That's the basic fast cast stuff, which gets u : 120 with Wiz or 110 with hoto, not enogh for the breakpoint, u will have to add rings or a ammy or a helm to reach the last fast cast breakpoint

Now with Spirit:

Shield: Spirit, 35
Belt: Arach, 20
Glove: Any 20 fast cast glove
Wep: Wiz , 50 or Hoto for 40
Fast cast : 125 with wiz or 115 with Hoto, with wiz u are free to add ANY ring,ammy,helm to ur build.
I use hoto and a 10 fast cast ammy so I can use any ring, or sometimes when I need some resists I just can put Wiz and Maras for mass resists...

About Homunculos, I would only use Homu instead of Spirit if I had block or/and needed more resists bad ( since spirit has some nice resists already ), which in block case SS would be better and I don't seem to have any resist problem...

Ok, only bad thing is that u need to make it in a high str shield, making it only possible to use with mass str...
I personally have base str and use it easily, I have nigma, anni and torch and some more str from equip and I'm set, totally worth IMO.

About bone damage I would say 4k BS and 3.5k Spear would do the job, but the bigger your damage is , the better. You can get more than that if u have pnb charms and have all the skill points.
About life I'd say 1.5k is good, without BO of course, and that's without block too.

That's it, hope u don't mind grammar and spelling mistakes ;/

Mastashanglang

30-09-2005, 18:29

I don't see why Darkforce is better than Spirit Monarch runeword.
And I don't see why not a SINGLE guide lists it, prolly cause the it's new...
;/

hmm 4k bs? im at 3.3k rite now w/o pb charms. my life is also 2k with lvl 14 bo. heres my setup

lvl 82.
str- 156
dex-199
vit-333
eng- forgot (im at school rite now)

helm- griffons- for the +skill and 25% FCR
armor- enigma bp
wep- hoto
shield- ss
belt- arach
glove- bloodfists (for FHR and life.. i dont like slow fhr)
boots- eth sandstorm treks (for FHR, str, vit)
ammy- +2 nec w/20 FCR, res, str, etc
rings- 2x 10 FCR rings w/str, dex, resists
switch- CTA w/Spirit monarch

charms- 18/17 torch, 15/20 anni
8x 20 lifers

sound good? i hit 125% FCR. i planned all this out b4 i made the char. i wanted to hit the 86 FHR bp ( i hate gettin hit) so hopefully i can get my hands on pb charms that have 12 FHR each. also, the rest of pb charms will have 30+ life. hows it look?

despot

30-09-2005, 18:49

nickedoff

30-09-2005, 18:51

I've ALWAYS been telling people how useful griffons is on any caster, but no one listens to me - they just blow their goodies on An Unnamed Duped Helmet that costs 30+ currency more.

4K is relatively good, considering marrows just got phong'd.

Mastashanglang

30-09-2005, 20:41

Looks good IMO.
That's a very nice ammy u got there...
Have u been dueling much lately?
u could post some feedback about how u doing...

As someone stated above, u can use Homunculos or Spirit instead of SS for cast vs cast duels...

And btw, since u said u already have a barbarian and I can see that u have block too, do you really think it's necessary? I'm actually remaking my necro without block cause I've dueling some and I don't feel I need it since when I get hit I would be dead, and block is just...random...
I play ladder so there's not much melee chars around...

max block is crucial vs. barbs. i demolish necs w/o max block b/c its just plain dumb not to have it. 75% chance to COMPLETELY block their attck speaks for itself. i put a shael on my b/c 8 frames (7 w/ss) is so freakin slow and with ww barbs you WILL get block-locked. i havent done much dueling yet b/c i wasnt done with him, but i did duel my friend whom i helped build his wwsin. i even gave him some of his equipment like his dungoes, gores, anni, etc. anyway i got raped pretty bad. he blocked alot of my attks (b/c of weapon block) and i frequently got block-locked from ww. Now imagine goin against a real wwinder-barbs. wwsins are actually harder to beat than barbs, but good barbs will be just as tough.

and yea i used griffons coz i jst had it lyin around =) i put a ber in it so that gives me the needed 50% PDR.

Gotcha

30-09-2005, 21:10

max block is crucial vs. barbs. i demolish necs w/o max block b/c its just plain dumb not to have it. 75% chance to COMPLETELY block their attck speaks for itself. i put a shael on my b/c 8 frames (7 w/ss) is so freakin slow and with ww barbs you WILL get block-locked. i havent done much dueling yet b/c i wasnt done with him, but i did duel my friend whom i helped build his wwsin. i even gave him some of his equipment like his dungoes, gores, anni, etc. anyway i got raped pretty bad. he blocked alot of my attks (b/c of weapon block) and i frequently got block-locked from ww. Now imagine goin against a real wwinder-barbs. wwsins are actually harder to beat than barbs, but good barbs will be just as tough.

and yea i used griffons coz i jst had it lyin around =) i put a ber in it so that gives me the needed 50% PDR.

are you saying if you use a SS and do not shael it you will get blocklocked from a barb using WW if you have 75% block with SS without shael in it. I thought a Ber in shield would be much better then shael, now I am confused LOL.

Mastashanglang

30-09-2005, 21:41

are you saying if you use a SS and do not shael it you will get blocklocked from a barb using WW if you have 75% block with SS without shael in it. I thought a Ber in shield would be much better then shael, now I am confused LOL.

i put a ber in my griffons, but a shael in my shield. im not sayin it will everytime, but it will sometimes. coz they do miss (long ww's dont hit as often). i had an FC druid w/a shaeld ss and he got blocklocked too (but not often). his FBR is the same as necro i think w/shaeld ss. so yea, it certainly helps tho.