Critique my BvC barbs, suggestions/tips welcome!

[Freezing Rain]

I tried making my first BvC barb, and since i couldn't find a real cookie cutter guide, i just followed what advice i could get.

Right now he's in hell, ready to be chaosed, but this is SP stats:

My equipment setup:
37%/387 GriefZ (Left) // BeastZ (Right)
187% Arreats (Um'd)
1289 Dusk Enigma (15% Sup Defense with a damn +751 roll.)
Arachs <--?? (Tgods just in case i meet uber light sorcs/javazons)
19dex 20dex Ravenfrost's
Highlords
198% Gore Riders
15Str Draculs
20/19 Barb Torch
17/13/8 Annihilus

My Skill Allocation:
Increased Speed- What % am i looking for the get the break point?
Resists: 1-5 Depending on how much i need.
WW-20
BO-20
Leap-Enough for sLvl 19.
The other cliche stuff, aiming for level 90.

Stats:
Str: Base
Dex: Base
Vitaly: All
Energy: Base

7000 life after BO, and i have a full inventory of 20 life scs, 3 5% all scs, torch and anni.

900-2400 Damage WW, since grief doesn't show.



My plan:
F1: WW, F2: Bash F3: Leap F4: Tele

Tele/Leap back and forth to get them into fhr, then jump them and dod.

That's basically my plan, any ideas/suggestions/criticism welcome!

Thanks for reading!

[Mehatesmaphackx]

I tried making my first BvC barb, and since i couldn't find a real cookie cutter guide, i just followed what advice i could get.

Right now he's in hell, ready to be chaosed, but this is SP stats:

My equipment setup:
37%/387 GriefZ (Left) // BeastZ (Right)
187% Arreats (Um'd)
1289 Dusk Enigma (15% Sup Defense with a damn +751 roll.)
Arachs <--?? (Tgods just in case i meet uber light sorcs/javazons)
19dex 20dex Ravenfrost's
Highlords
198% Gore Riders
15Str Draculs
20/19 Barb Torch
17/13/8 Annihilus

My Skill Allocation:
Increased Speed- What % am i looking for the get the break point?
Resists: 1-5 Depending on how much i need.
WW-20
BO-20
Leap-Enough for sLvl 19.
The other cliche stuff, aiming for level 90.

Stats:
Str: Base
Dex: Base
Vitaly: All
Energy: Base

7000 life after BO, and i have a full inventory of 20 life scs, 3 5% all scs, torch and anni.

900-2400 Damage WW, since grief doesn't show.



My plan:
F1: WW, F2: Bash F3: Leap F4: Tele

Tele/Leap back and forth to get them into fhr, then jump them and dod.

That's basically my plan, any ideas/suggestions/criticism welcome!

Thanks for reading!


There have been plenty of bvc guides you should read those first and slightly adjust them to 1.11 if there aren't any 1.11 guides yet. It's exhausting answer the same questions over and over when there are good guides out there.

[Mehatesmaphackx]

I think the problem with most forum memebers is that they are too lazy to read the guides or do even the simplest math themselves to figure out the build that suits them the best.(with guides pretty much telling you what to do already) It is actually quite fun and rewarding to plan your build at least somewhat by yourself instead of asking someone else how exactly you should build your char with the gear available to you.

Notice the stickie on the top of hte page has a list of guides.

[De4dEyE]

Hmm, it seems like you have ultra [ultra] low AR, which has no effect on your killing of most casters, but if you run into a hammerdin or someone with decently high defense, you're going to have problems. You should try to get max\ar\life charms, or possibly some GCs of the same type. GCs give you less life, but more slightly damage and significantly more AR [assumming these are 10\100\xx GCs]

You don't need to hotkey bash, and you should always put 1 point into Berserk.

mcm's videos show him using howl a few times on a golem, but I have no opinion on that whatsoever, seeing as I have never used it in a duel before. O.o

Your damage seems low, but that's probably due to the lack of 3\20\20s or whatnot.

Most casters require you to have sufficient FCR [read: 40%] in order to make the chase far less tedious. Leap stuns, but it doesn't stun forever, and the lower your FCR is, the better chance they have of getting out of FHR animation and getting away before you can tele WW. Try to find some 10%FCR rings with str/mana/res/LL [maybe].

From what I remember, Leap has no diminishing returns or something. The diameter of the AoE increases with every point.. perhaps morotjos/luis/mcm can clear it up.

The cheapest weaponswitch would be Warcry Javs. +6 to warcries, and you can throw them to get some damage on static hammerdins. Other weapon switches are the WidowMaker and Doom [or dual Dooms].

If you plan on dueling smiters [if you play in pubs, you will invariably run into one] or wind druids, then you should look at getting a high DR% verdungos and a 2/15% CoA.

For more info, go into the search function and look up 'blobs' and 'dumbpig'. Very good guides there, but you may have to ask around about modifications to them, seeing as the hellfire came into use, and possibly some new things were found out [like the inc. speed-ww-thingie-that-I-have-no-idea about-but-I-recall-reading-about-once-in-a-thread-a-while-ago]

I'm not one of the barb experts though; I'm sure someone else will come in and correct me on several points.

[Freezing Rain]

Mehatesmaphackx, I think the problem is you think you are god over these forums, and you can say anything you want. Well, if you took the time to look in the sticky, there is no BvC guide, and for your information i searched for BvC guides through the function for about 2 hours before i made this thread. Don't think you are all high and mighty, because you are not. Ifya don't have anything to say about the barbarian in itself, keep it to yourself, because frankly, your opinion is jack **** to me.

Jackeye, thank you for the comments. I'm using hoto's to warcry because that's all i have :P. I will WC with them, and then switch with a widowmaker if stash, if i can trade for one. I have verdungoes, and i'll try and get CoA as you said. For the FCR rings, i will see what i can do. Perhaps i could find some FCR rings with +dexterity on them, but for now i'll use Ravenfrosts, maybe Angelics Ammy/Ring/Ravenfrost against hammerdins? Or just dual angelics because they don't have cold attacks.

[RetroStar]

Well said.

Anyway, try blob's guide. I dunno where it is. If you're on east I can show you my BvC barb which is the only char I duel/play with now.

Setup looks good.
Swap out gore for resist/fhr/frw boots when needed. For mine, I always use it but I only swap out vs. good barbs or good smiters. They have high def.

Keep verdungo ready in stash just incase you need to duel good melee chars.

For my BvC barb I use CoA (ber/ber) but I would onyl suggest you wear it for all duels if you have good AR.

Dual doom on switch helps a lot vs. wind druids/smiters/amazons. Holf Freeze with Leap gives you a easy target to hit.

I like to keep a widowmaker in stash against nasty hammerdins. Um it if you can wear it or Hel it if you can't.

Best GC would be 10/60/45 ones. (not 100% sure on this. Too lazy to check but quite sure they can't spawn with 10max AND 100ar)

I like to use AZQ for my keys instead of F1-F3.

Use Berserk instead of bash to tele lock.

*illusionwingz

[Neurofuzzy]

In fact, considering the success of the BvC build, it is surprising to see that there is no guide for it neither in the barb forum stickies nor in the PvP forum stickies! MCM and others did write guides, but it seems they where not considered good enough to be included in the guides list (or they where not included for some other reason, but the fact is they are not available)!

By the way, altough we could all make our own calculations and figure out by ourselves what the best build would be, the forums do exist exactly to allow the exchange of opinions and experiences, so why not discuss ideas here?

[Freezing Rain]

Retro, what do you mean by using Berserk to tele lock? And, i'll find you later. East NL- my account is Kireiray2. I don't think i can afford a widowmaker, though i DO want one. BerBer coa is probably out of my range until i get some more gear and roll some more charms.

resist/fhr/frw boots, I'll see what i can do for these, but i already hit the 86% fhr break point, and have full resists.

Verdungo is a good point, i'll get a pair.

For super melee characters i'll probably Ber an arreats, get dungoes and use my leviathan. (Hel'd for str :P)

Anyway, i got myself 10fcr/100ar/5+ dex/resist fcr rings. I'm using two of them with highlords right now, 2x angel rings/ammy for hammerdins, ravenfrost if i need the dex, probably going to go raven/raven against cold sorcs as well.

I've got dungoes, tgods, 2x dwarfs, 2x natures peace in the stash if i run into some bm people who need to die. I kept my charms basically the same, except i have a few 20ar/5fhr scs now, mostly 20life ones though. around 7k life, and i'm running on base strength and dex.

My skills right now are like, 20 bo, 20 axe mastery.. i plan to then put 20 ww, 10 leap, 1 in berserk (for this tele lock thing i don't understand), probably 3 in natural resists, and anywhere on 1-5 on frw when i find the running breakpoints.

[Neurofuzzy]

Concerning tele-lock: it is maybe the MAIN thing for a BvC build. Click on the opponent with your mouse using the teleport skill and hold the mouse button down. This will make you teleport exactly over the other player. Before you land on the opponent, switch the function of that mouse button to WW or Zerk and keep the mouse button pressed untill you hit. The effect is that u teleport over him and hit. It requires a lot of training...

[RetroStar]

Concerning tele-lock: it is maybe the MAIN thing for a BvC build. Click on the opponent with your mouse using the teleport skill and hold the mouse button down. This will make you teleport exactly over the other player. Before you land on the opponent, switch the function of that mouse button to WW or Zerk and keep the mouse button pressed untill you hit. The effect is that u teleport over him and hit. It requires a lot of training...

There is also delayed tele lock which requires berserk/double throw/unsummon. I rarely use it though as normal tele lock usually does the job. Delayed works wonders against hammerdins and trapsins. Berserk is also useful against hammerdins when you get close.

Put berserk on your right button (or it may work on your left button which will be a lot more convenient but dunno if it works on your right button). Hold it onto your opponent, you'll start running towards him and the opponent will probably be teleing away. Switching to tele and you automatically tele on top of them.

This is very effective against hammerdins and trapsins as they are teleporting away they won't see you chasing them so they won't set up hammer fields/traps.

If you have full resist + fhr then just stick with gorerider.

[RetroStar]

Hrm the edit button is gone. Weird

This is my equip on east.

Helm: 40/20life Arreat/Um'd Arreat/Ber Ber CoA
Armour: Mage Enigma/Duress (Good vs. melee)
Weapon: Ebotdz
Weapon: Beast
Glove: Draculs
Rings: 2 Ravens
Ammy: Highlords
Belt: Arach
Boot: Fhr/stats/resist

I don't have my hands on any ladder items yet cause I just came back to playing for a bit.

Also I don't really prefer 10%fcr rings for duels cause leap usually does the job vs fast casters. Those rings also give you crap AR. You can use it if you really really need it.

Also keep a um'd wizpike in stash just incase.

[Mehatesmaphackx]

Mehatesmaphackx, I think the problem is you think you are god over these forums, and you can say anything you want. Well, if you took the time to look in the sticky, there is no BvC guide, and for your information i searched for BvC guides through the function for about 2 hours before i made this thread. Don't think you are all high and mighty, because you are not. Ifya don't have anything to say about the barbarian in itself, keep it to yourself, because frankly, your opinion is jack **** to me.

Jackeye, thank you for the comments. I'm using hoto's to warcry because that's all i have :P. I will WC with them, and then switch with a widowmaker if stash, if i can trade for one. I have verdungoes, and i'll try and get CoA as you said. For the FCR rings, i will see what i can do. Perhaps i could find some FCR rings with +dexterity on them, but for now i'll use Ravenfrosts, maybe Angelics Ammy/Ring/Ravenfrost against hammerdins? Or just dual angelics because they don't have cold attacks.

I think you problem is that your arrogance makes a plain advice sound like an insult. If you reread my posts neither of them was offensive in anyway or even not nice. I was barely pointing out the problem that a lot of forum memebers espeically new ones seem to completely ignore the guides posted and ask the same problems over and over. Anyone who has been on these forums long enough know it's true.

For your information i have answered thousands of questions of these forums and from what i remember a lot of them were extremely repetitive and only if people would have taken their time to read the guides they wouldn't be asking the same thing over and over and over.

I took a break from d2 for a couple of months and i had no idea that after such a long time the mods still didn't sticky the guides. I guess perhaps it's cuz the "purists" on the forum wouldn't allow guides that mention even the names of common dupes such as 3/20/20s, imp shanks,etc.

I was one of the first 3 bvcs on b.net and have made contributions to all the strategy forums since i played all charactor classes so i think i know what i'm talking about when I say, "people tend to ask the same questions over and over without reading the guides."

And i was merely suggesting you try and read a guide first, before asking specific questions and i had no idea after all those guides blobs,mcm and some others posted they still don't have a link to any of them. (it's the 3.20.20s.) By the way mojorostos or whatever his name is who also posts on these forums wrote a guide for the bvc on d2.jsp and there are a bunch of useful guides on other characters too unlike these forums.

[Freezing Rain]

Hey, do you REALLY think i CARE how long you've been here? How many questions you answered? How godly you are in terms of barbs that you were one of the first 3 bvcs? I didn't know who blocks/mojo and them were until someone kindly pointed it out in the thread for me, which i searched up afterward. I have read all the search threads i could find on BvC's, but i still had some questions and some comments on my build.

So i make my thread, and what? Some idiot comes in implieing i'm a lazy *** who is so blind, that i can't see a SEARCH button on the screen, less then 5 inches away from where i'm typing. The fact that you implied this means you WERE negative, even though you didn't directly say it. So why did you post in the thread anyway?

Next time, when someone is asking a question, leave it to the people that actually answer with something straight forward, Like gear advice, or skill allocation. Take your snotty, 'Use the search function' comments elsewhere.

[Mehatesmaphackx]

Hey, do you REALLY think i CARE how long you've been here? How many questions you answered? How godly you are in terms of barbs that you were one of the first 3 bvcs? I didn't know who blocks/mojo and them were until someone kindly pointed it out in the thread for me, which i searched up afterward. I have read all the search threads i could find on BvC's, but i still had some questions and some comments on my build.

So i make my thread, and what? Some idiot comes in implieing i'm a lazy *** who is so blind, that i can't see a SEARCH button on the screen, less then 5 inches away from where i'm typing. The fact that you implied this means you WERE negative, even though you didn't directly say it. So why did you post in the thread anyway?

Next time, when someone is asking a question, leave it to the people that actually answer with something straight forward, Like gear advice, or skill allocation. Take your snotty, 'Use the search function' comments elsewhere.

lol now i remember why d2 was so much fun.
I already admitted that i made a mistake by thinking that they would have surely stickied one of the many bvc guides by now considering how many damn times blobs,mcm, me and some others posted the same thing over and over.

All I did was express my opinion that people should read the guides first before asking expert barb players about specific questions instead of giving a list of items before asking them to build your char for you. Most people will give you bad advice and everyone has their own opinion so it would be best to read one of the guides written by the most knwoledgable barb players bnet's ever known.

If you didn't have such a huge ego about a game and everything else it wouldn't have been a problem. Sure i might have been less than friendly with my replies but it's a fact that most people on the forums ask the same question over and over when asnwers can be found all over the place.

[Freezing Rain]

~_~, I already told praetor to tell you i was sorry :P.