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I'm thinking of making a dc/uber killer for s3, but I don't want the regular smiter/zealer. Anyone here soloed tristram with a kicker/trapper or other assa?
Concbarbs and furywolf is not an option for me, I'm too lazy for having to click on every single enemy :)
krunchkidney
08-09-2005, 18:42
just a minor note, you can put concentration on right click...just hold down right click and your barb will automatically attack any enemies within range, repeatedly...
just a minor note, you can put concentration on right click...just hold down right click and your barb will automatically attack any enemies within range, repeatedly...
Ok tnx, didn't know that.
But still, anyone playing assa in trist with success?
Pezmerga
08-09-2005, 19:21
Actually I am thinking same way you are. I donīt feel like making smiter/zealot, barb or fury druid, but instead try to come up with a sin build that can possibly solo, or atleast be an important part of the team doing it.
Right now I am thinking kicker with talon with phoenix strike (with claws of thunder synergy maxed) as back up on minion cleaning and for key hunting. Fury as weapon and upped goreriders & Guillaume's Face for cb. I am not blessed with the math skills, so even with all those awesome formulas and charts people have made (thx btw, alot of useful info I couldnīt have found on my own) I am not sure if I can afford using fade if I want to reach fast enough speed with talon. Figured that fade will be a life saver against conviction.
Oh and I have -never- played as WWing sin, would be interesting to hear how effectively one could be on uber hunting or PvM in general :)
BatTheMan
08-09-2005, 21:53
Right now I am thinking kicker with talon with phoenix strike (with claws of thunder synergy maxed) as back up on minion cleaning and for key hunting. Fury as weapon and upped goreriders & Guillaume's Face for cb. I am not blessed with the math skills, so even with all those awesome formulas and charts people have made (thx btw, alot of useful info I couldnīt have found on my own) I am not sure if I can afford using fade if I want to reach fast enough speed with talon. Figured that fade will be a life saver against conviction.
I'd go with StormLash 4 kicker with a good resist block shield(Sanctuary Tower or Pavise)
Fade is 69 and 30 PR resist all at level 30 (prebuff it ez x2 shadow claws +3)
Dracul is a must
46ias need for -30 weapon
95ias need for -10 weapon
45ias needed for Shaeled StormLash (I'd put 3os [insert armor here] with x3 ias jools. NatArmor is good imo with 3os good life good poison resist).
I never faced te ubers ever so I dunno what they capable of. But I'd get you need the usually stuf LL PDR Resist Absorb Blocking. I also heard Lillith is hard.
Pezmerga
09-09-2005, 00:11
I'd go with StormLash 4 kicker with a good resist block shield(Sanctuary Tower or Pavise)
Fade is 69 and 30 PR resist all at level 30 (prebuff it ez x2 shadow claws +3)
Dracul is a must
46ias need for -30 weapon
95ias need for -10 weapon
45ias needed for Shaeled StormLash (I'd put 3os [insert armor here] with x3 ias jools. NatArmor is good imo with 3os good life good poison resist).
I never faced te ubers ever so I dunno what they capable of. But I'd get you need the usually stuf LL PDR Resist Absorb Blocking. I also heard Lillith is hard.
yeah, you are right stormlash does seem like a good option, reason I was thinking fury was the speed of it and ignore targetīs defense. Kinda liked the idea of each CB kick hitting without having to worry about AR too much.
Still no one here who has soloed trist with assa? Plz show me that u dont need a boring smiter/zealer this ladder too.
Why don't anone post screenshots from the 3 prime evils in tristram. I have no idea of how many minions are around and stuff like that. At least I have not seen theese screnies. Can someone post a link?
If there are only a very few minions, a trapper could probably just dodge anything, kill and splatter. Maybe not. No clue :(
At least it would be nice to know what elements and ranged/melee I will be fighting.
Screenies please?
BatTheMan
09-09-2005, 16:02
Why don't anone post screenshots from the 3 prime evils in tristram. I have no idea of how many minions are around and stuff like that. At least I have not seen theese screnies. Can someone post a link?
If there are only a very few minions, a trapper could probably just dodge anything, kill and splatter. Maybe not. No clue :(
At least it would be nice to know what elements and ranged/melee I will be fighting.
Screenies please?
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=372426&page=1&pp=10
ITD doesn't work on bost btw.
I think CoS can have it's use here also. Good Build I think would be
20 fade
20 DS
20 DTalon
20 MB
rest Shadow Master
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=372426&page=1&pp=10
Exactly that. Thanx :thumbsup: Guess I just never red that post.
Mr.Grimmy
09-09-2005, 21:40
Still no one here who has soloed trist with assa? Plz show me that u dont need a boring smiter/zealer this ladder too.
Hi there. My lvl 86 kicker has solo'd uber trist 7 times now, and only died 1 time. I find that cloak of shadows is just awesome as it basically prevents any of the minions from attacking you. And Dracule's Grasp keeps the lifetap on, which keeps you almost at full life the entire time.
I use a shael'd fleshripper for the crusing blow and open wounds and a stormshield/shako for the physical damage reduction. I don't even bother using fade, just use burst of speed and everything seems to go fine.
The only problem I have is mana :( The one time i died was when killing uber baal and I ran out of mana, and couldn't cast cloak of shadows or kick. I got swarmed and died before i could get out of the pack.
If you can, I would use Guilemon's face for the extra crushing blow, I imagine that that would really speed up killing the bosses. For me diablo and mephesto aren't too bad, but it takes for ever to kill baal for some reason.
Hope this helps.
BatTheMan
09-09-2005, 23:01
Hi there. My lvl 86 kicker has solo'd uber trist 7 times now, and only died 1 time. I find that cloak of shadows is just awesome as it basically prevents any of the minions from attacking you. And Dracule's Grasp keeps the lifetap on, which keeps you almost at full life the entire time.
I use a shael'd fleshripper for the crusing blow and open wounds and a stormshield/shako for the physical damage reduction. I don't even bother using fade, just use burst of speed and everything seems to go fine.
The only problem I have is mana :( The one time i died was when killing uber baal and I ran out of mana, and couldn't cast cloak of shadows or kick. I got swarmed and died before i could get out of the pack.
If you can, I would use Guilemon's face for the extra crushing blow, I imagine that that would really speed up killing the bosses. For me diablo and mephesto aren't too bad, but it takes for ever to kill baal for some reason.
Hope this helps.
HURRAY. ahemz
Can you tell us what was your whole setup Life pool AR? Buid? I really find it cool you soloed UberTrist 7times. I am definitly making a Sin uber killer on HC. :).
I guess 1.5k life is minimum. Run out of mana death ? lol First time i hear that. Just push a Full Rejuv and your good to go. How did Mephisto Conviction aura affected you tho? he's LE and without fade I can't imagine how you would survive. How much resist did you have with the aura?
I've never done it myself, but here's another report posted within a day or few of the appearance of ubers: thread (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=372882)
Gratz Mr.Grimmy!
Could plz tell us more about your skilldistribution?
Ilkori:
I read the thread but there was nothing about skillpts. My first kicksin so I cant afford to skip the basics. The guides in this forum are really old but maybe there are no major changes since 1.09/1.10?
There were no major changes from 1.10, and honestly the guides in the compendium are among the best there are. The game hasn't changed between the release of 1.10 and last month (long time), and this forum has been blessed with some brilliant and talented people - both for playing and wriitng.
For skills, his build happens to be something very close to this:
20 Talon
20 Death Sentry (with 3 FB for +1 corpse explosion shot)
20 Venom
X Master (enough to get to level 17-18)
1+ Mind Blast
1 Cloak of Shadows (this is an important skill)
1 Dragon Flight
There were no major changes from 1.10, and honestly the guides in the compendium are among the best there are. The game hasn't changed between the release of 1.10 and last month (long time), and this forum has been blessed with some brilliant and talented people - both for playing and wriitng.
For skills, his build happens to be something very close to this:
20 Talon
20 Death Sentry (with 3 FB for +1 corpse explosion shot)
20 Venom
X Master (enough to get to level 17-18)
1+ Mind Blast
1 Cloak of Shadows (this is an important skill)
1 Dragon Flight
Tnx!
And maybe I throw in some pts in fade and BoS too. Fade would almost be necessary for fighting ubermeph?
There were no major changes from 1.10, and honestly the guides in the compendium are among the best there are. The game hasn't changed between the release of 1.10 and last month (long time), and this forum has been blessed with some brilliant and talented people - both for playing and wriitng.
For skills, his build happens to be something very close to this:
20 Talon
20 Death Sentry (with 3 FB for +1 corpse explosion shot)
20 Venom
X Master (enough to get to level 17-18)
1+ Mind Blast
1 Cloak of Shadows (this is an important skill)
1 Dragon Flight
why death sentry 20?
If this asn it is made for trist only, burst would be more important cuz whats make death sentry a must is corpse explotion so level 1 would do the same effect right?
The extra points widen the range of the explosion. In example: It's hitting something right on top of the corpse (1 point) versus hitting everything in the same screen (Maxed). While it isn't this extreme, there still is a great difference in performance.
dallemar
10-09-2005, 21:22
Seems like most of the uber hunters are using Claw/Sheild. Would there be any advantage to the elemental block of claw/claw?
Pezmerga
11-09-2005, 16:13
46ias need for -30 weapon
95ias need for -10 weapon
45ias needed for Shaeled StormLash (I'd put 3os [insert armor here] with x3 ias jools. NatArmor is good imo with 3os good life good poison resist).
Been toying around with some gear now, I like the idea of jeweling Natīs armor, but I just noticed that Treachery (1.11 sin armor) has +45% ias on it too with 20% fhr, cold resists and 25% level 15 on hit venom on it.
Thing I dislike on it is that "5% Chance To Cast Level 15 Fade When Struck" -part. Forces me to recast my own fade from time to time with those dual +3 SD claws so I wont lose PDR suddenly, not like leaving fade to 0 and just relying on that 5% to get it up when I need is an option.
dallemar
11-09-2005, 19:58
Forces me to recast my own fade from time to time with those dual +3 SD claws
I thought a lower casting of something (Fade, Enchant, etc.) could not replace a higher casting of the same thing. Will someone confirm this?
Mr.Grimmy
11-09-2005, 21:09
Sorry it took so long to reply, been busy with real life :rolleyes:
Anyway to answer your questions. My build is a kicker/fire trapper (the traps don't help much vs. the ubers) The key points as far as I can tell for uber killing is max resists, 50% pdr, dracul's grasp for lifetap, and cloak of shadows for dealing with the minions.
My life with bo is about 2400, my ar is 13.5k and my kick damage is only 16xx, so I rely on the crushing blow from the fleshripper for most of the initial damage. (at first the life really drops from the ubers, but when they are down to a sliver it takes a while to finally kill them)
The mana death I referred too was caused by using 16 mana potions during my fight with Baal. I was out of potions in my belt, and couldn't get out of his minion pack. I should have run to town earlier, but was pretty sure I could take him. However he was doing his mana drain attack almost constantly that time and it just hosed my potion stock.
As for mephy's conviction aura it wasn't so bad. My char is for pvp and has about stacked res (about 110) so with between that and lifetap he wasn't too bad. He would still hurt me quite a lot with some attacks, but the lifetap would always save me. I never checked my resists, was to scared to pop open the char screen and die cause I wasn't paying attention :)
Hope this helps
HURRAY. ahemz
Can you tell us what was your whole setup Life pool AR? Buid? I really find it cool you soloed UberTrist 7times. I am definitly making a Sin uber killer on HC. :).
I guess 1.5k life is minimum. Run out of mana death ? lol First time i hear that. Just push a Full Rejuv and your good to go. How did Mephisto Conviction aura affected you tho? he's LE and without fade I can't imagine how you would survive. How much resist did you have with the aura?
Mr.Grimmy
11-09-2005, 21:13
Gratz Mr.Grimmy!
Could plz tell us more about your skilldistribution?
The skills I have are: (IIRC, not able to load up D2 right now)
20 Dtalon
20 Fire blast
20 Wake of fire
15 Wake of inferno
15 Mind blast
1 Cloak of shadows
1 burst of speed
1 shadow master
1 venom
why death sentry 20?
If this asn it is made for trist only, burst would be more important cuz whats make death sentry a must is corpse explotion so level 1 would do the same effect right?
His build wasn't Trist-only. Also, with 20 DS you can get the keys far more easily. If nothing else, all those death sentries is going to give Nihilithak a run for his money. Give him some of his own medicine. :D
Personally, I think a kicker/trapper build would be the strongest for this, but it tends to be the strongest PvM build anyway, so there's no real surprise there.
Pezmerga
12-09-2005, 01:03
I thought a lower casting of something (Fade, Enchant, etc.) could not replace a higher casting of the same thing. Will someone confirm this?
hmmh... good question. I have been away from D2 couple years or so (came back a while ago) so I canīt really remember too much details. so indeed can someone confirm?
BatTheMan
12-09-2005, 04:47
hmmh... good question. I have been away from D2 couple years or so (came back a while ago) so I canīt really remember too much details. so indeed can someone confirm?
the lower fade will replace your higher level fade
the lower venom will replace your higher level venom
the lower fade will replace your higher level fade
the lower venom will replace your higher level venom
Almost
the lower fade will replace your higher level fade
the lower venom will not replace your higher level venom
They're tricky like that. -_-
dallemar
14-09-2005, 11:54
Almost
the lower fade will replace your higher level fade
the lower venom will not replace your higher level venom
How do people know things like this? There's no official manual for this stuff I'm assuming. Do people hack the program and look inside? I've always wondered.
And... you know... taking the lower fade renders that armor useless if you're a full fade user. That's a shame.
Pezmerga
15-09-2005, 09:32
How do people know things like this? There's no official manual for this stuff I'm assuming. Do people hack the program and look inside? I've always wondered.
And... you know... taking the lower fade renders that armor useless if you're a full fade user. That's a shame.
takes no hacking or something like that lol. Just char editor (access to all those items you need to test with) on SP works fine if you donīt have access/donīt feel like wasting your runes to test it with "real chars". kinda easy to keep an eye on your damage (with high level venom on) and watch that does it change if you get lower level venom from that armor(or somewhere else). Same thing with Fade basically.
Oh and that armor doesnīt look that bad now, as 5% chance to get lower level fade casted when struck isnīt that much. it is 1/20 chance to get it casted if you donīt have shield/weapon block, so gets closer to 1/60 or 1/40 chance. Not to mention it wont take that long to recast your high level fade if that happens, though it could be annoying.
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