hi what server?

[MyFirstKiss]

hi im just starting to play again aint played since my ith's were dleted in 1.09 :P HC DROOLER FTW~ um but yeh what realm is the best for HC at this point in time?

[Valar-Wrath]

hi im just starting to play again aint played since my ith's were dleted in 1.09 :P HC DROOLER FTW~ um but yeh what realm is the best for HC at this point in time?

I believe most of the people from these forums that still play, do so on East.

[MyFirstKiss]

I believe most of the people from these forums that still play, do so on East.
kewl lookks like east ill be going o_O unless any one cares to contest his post b4 i can find my exp cd

[Tai.]

Useast is the most heavily populated, but if you plan to be gaming with forumers, might not want to bring up the ITH user thing...
We generally frown upon any behavior that isn't on the up-and-up

cheers
-Tai

[ADSL]

try Open. it has lots of people that share your love for edited items.

[Still-Xey-Lover]

try Open. it has lots of people that share your love for edited items.

Ahaha

Anywho it's pre-determined that you MUST go on one of the two E'. Europe or East

[Raith]

yes. play open. create all the ITHs you want. ive got a ITH crystal, beat that.

[Perceval]

Me got Ith Clegclaw sword!
Name : Ith Cleg's for the fans.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

try Open. it has lots of people that share your love for edited items.
Also, the b.net forums might be the better place for "words" such as 'kewl' and 'b4' -.-

[MyFirstKiss]

well i aint been on theese boards for a very long time.. but from the response seems its gone to crud.. if this is how the remaining forum user's act dnoe if i even wanna be around this bored. im sry if your to "1337" to use the items that every other dueler use's.. or is it plainly that you never where good enough to build a top of the line dueler.... more then likely and it seems that its my computer and i should be able to type cool how ever i want ? seeing as i dont flame you for having such a pathetic name as MoUsE with non atrachtive alternating caps

[rettet181]

well i aint been on theese boards for a very long time.. but from the response seems its gone to crud.. if this is how the remaining forum user's act dnoe if i even wanna be around this bored. im sry if your to "1337" to use the items that every other dueler use's.. or is it plainly that you never where good enough to build a top of the line dueler.... more then likely and it seems that its my computer and i should be able to type cool how ever i want ? seeing as i dont flame you for having such a pathetic name as MoUsE with non atrachtive alternating caps

Seriously, run now, before you get hurt.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

if this is how the remaining forum user's act dnoe if i even wanna be around this bored
That's ok, there's plenty of people who can't spell and used Iths on the b.net forums last I checked. That's why I directed you there. It wasn't a flame, just helpful advice -.-

[Tool_Master]

seeing as i dont flame you for having such a pathetic name as MoUsE with non atrachtive alternating caps
Yeah it's pretty UNATTRACTIVE I must say... :lol:

[MyFirstKiss]

hehe sry for the ith comment i forgot about that as i said.. long time since i been on theese forums

[Stimm]

Tip for original poster. And by no means do I promote said action , but it might be your only choice.

Step 1: Refrain from any mention of using hacks or any duped or hacked item

Step 2: Stop using your current account name

Step 3: make new forum name and change your posting style.

Youve got 4 posts to your name and already managed to alienate yourself from almost every forum member here. To admit using ITHs is definitely not a smart way to start , then to bash a long standing , respected forum member is a career ender.

Edit: And for Gods sake get yourself a spellchecker

[Ankeli]

Viva la Europe ;)

[Zeebo]

well i aint been on theese boards for a very long time.. but from the response seems its gone to crud.. if this is how the remaining forum user's act dnoe if i even wanna be around this bored. im sry if your to "1337" to use the items that every other dueler use's.. or is it plainly that you never where good enough to build a top of the line dueler.... more then likely and it seems that its my computer and i should be able to type cool how ever i want ? seeing as i dont flame you for having such a pathetic name as MoUsE with non atrachtive alternating caps

This is quite possibly the single greatest quote in the history of the internet.

I weep for you.

[Tai.]

Tip for original poster. And by no means do I promote said action , but it might be your only choice.

Step 1: Refrain from any mention of using hacks or any duped or hacked item

Step 2: Stop using your current account name

Step 3: make new forum name and change your posting style.

Youve got 4 posts to your name and already managed to alienate yourself from almost every forum member here. To admit using ITHs is definitely not a smart way to start , then to bash a long standing , respected forum member is a career ender.

Edit: And for Gods sake get yourself a spellchecker

Only have one real problem with that, it implies that Mouse is respected...
Though our baals last night were hella fast thanks to him...
On second thought, Mouse for Supreme Court!!!11!!!one!

Cheers
-Tai

[Tool_Master]

Stop posting here Tai and get online :D
(My sorc got axed :lol: )

[Jimi-]

Does anybody want a cookie?

[Still-Xey-Lover]

Dood its liek jimi.

[Valar-Wrath]

Didn't we just discuss how the saying 'Once a cheater, always a cheater' was completely moronic?

I know his grammar and spelling could use a little work but some of you could have had the decency to ignore that and give him a serious answer, or none at all.

Edit: Ok, his third post did deserve a little flammage but that never would have been said had he gone unprovoked.

[LuckyDwarf]

Valar, I've said it before and I'll say it again.. While I like everyone here at the hardcore forum a ton, they like to bandwagon from time to time.

Lucky

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Didn't we just discuss how the saying 'Once a cheater, always a cheater' was completely moronic?
Saying "I haven't played since my iths were deleted" and saying "I haven't used a hack since mh in 1.09" are a fair ways off of each other.

[Valar-Wrath]

Saying "I haven't played since my iths were deleted" and saying "I haven't used a hack since mh in 1.09" are a fair ways off of each other.

Yes, but it will sound better if you quote the whole thing next time. He hasn't played since his iths were deleted in 1.09. He's cheated as recently as the MH guy has.

Maybe he WOULD have used iths in 1.1 if possible, but I usually give people the benefit of the doubt and go by what they actually say.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Yes, but it will sound better if you quote the whole thing next time. He hasn't played since his iths were deleted in 1.09. He's cheated as recently as the MH guy has.

Maybe he WOULD have used iths in 1.1 if possible, but I usually give people the benefit of the doubt and go by what they actually say.
I was actually going to quote the whole thing (or at least the part including 'since I deleted') and go off on how the intonation of his post seemed to convey that the only reason he hasn't cheated since is because he quit the game, but I decided that was too much typing.

Anyways to cut it short; his post doesn't make me want to give him any benefit of the doubt, and, infact, I pretty much assume he has been cheating at whatever other game(s) he's played between his iths being deleted and now, and I don't want him on my realm because I reckon he'll just start cheating again there. This is not because of the once a cheat always a cheat mentality, it's because of the general tone of his original post.

[PhatTrumpet]

Yes, but it will sound better if you quote the whole thing next time. He hasn't played since his iths were deleted in 1.09. He's cheated as recently as the MH guy has.

Maybe he WOULD have used iths in 1.1 if possible, but I usually give people the benefit of the doubt and go by what they actually say.
Actually, you're the one trying to twist his words, only you're doing it in his favor.

'Iths' only existed in 1.09; they were a thing of the past by the time 1.10 hit. Emphasizing the fact that his 'Iths' were deleted in 1.09 doesn't change the meaning of what he said one bit.

It's not as cut and dry as, "this guy has cheated as recently as this other guy." Like Mouse said, the statements "I haven't played since my 'Iths' were deleted in 1.09" and "I used maphack back in 1.09" have two very different connotations. The guy who used maphack has been playing the game maphack free ever since he quit using it in 1.09, showing that he's learned his lesson and changed his ways. This guy, however, strongly suggests that the main reason he quit was because his 'Ith' weapons were deleted. If you disagree with that then you're just being stubborn for the sake of argument, something I've learned to shrug off by now. He goes on to say that the only way to compete on the dueling scene was to use 'Iths', which wasn't necessarily true, trying to use this argument to flame someone much more respectabe. By openly admitting this, and partially because of his grammar, spelling, and word choice, there's really not much sign that he intends to change his ways, at least until he grows up a bit.

[Valar-Wrath]

If you disagree with that then you're just being stubborn for the sake of argument, something I've learned to shrug off by now.

First of all, I don't appreciate you insulting me concerning past arguments, whether it was intentional or not.

All I'm asking you guys to do is ignore the bad grammar and punctuation, ignore the remark to past cheating, and take it for what it is; answer the man's question. Hell, maybe if you guys actually treated him with some respect, he'd stay, learn, and mature with this community. Maybe he'd even give up cheating. But instead, you shun him and make fun of him, crushing any chance of that and ultimately sending him on his way to cheat once more.

[PhatTrumpet]

It's really up to you whether that was an insult or not. Like I've said before, I usually don't have time for long-winded arguments and debates. Stubbornness for the sake of argument can actually be a very good trait to have depending on what field of work or study you decide to go into. Heck, if I had more time and was more of the "debate club" type, I'd welcome and enjoy the opportunity to go head-to-head with somebody whenever I felt like it.

You can go around with such an accepting attitude all you want, but it'll get you burned more often than not. If a convicted child molester says something like, "Oh, I moved out of that neighborhood because the parents caught on to me picking up their kids in my van and giving them candy, but now I want to move back there." He hasn't been able to molest any children since moving away because he hasn't had contact with any, and he hasn't shown any remorse for his actions or desire to change his ways. Would you welcome him back to your neighborhood with open arms? No, you'd do whatever it takes to keep him away.

[Valar-Wrath]

Would just like to mention that he even apologized for mentioning he used iths in the past after being flamed numerous times.

It's really up to you whether that was an insult or not. Like I've said before, I usually don't have time for long-winded arguments and debates. Stubbornness for the sake of argument can actually be a very good trait to have depending on what field of work or study you decide to go into. Heck, if I had more time and was more of the "debate club" type, I'd welcome and enjoy the opportunity to go head-to-head with somebody whenever I felt like it.

You can go around with such an accepting attitude all you want, but it'll get you burned more often than not. If a convicted child molester says something like, "Oh, I moved out of that neighborhood because the parents caught on to me picking up their kids in my van and giving them candy, but now I want to move back there." He hasn't been able to molest any children since moving away because he hasn't had contact with any, and he hasn't shown any remorse for his actions or desire to change his ways. Would you welcome him back to your neighborhood with open arms? No, you'd do whatever it takes to keep him away.


Do you honestly think I'm going to agree with you that using a hacked item in a video game, leaving, and then coming back is like molesting a child, leaving town, and coming back?

As soon as video games become as serious to me as someone molesting a child, I'll consider your comparison.

The fact of the matter is, if I had cheated in the past, left the game, and came back almost a year later, I wouldn't want to be punished for something I did back then. Here's a scenario for you:

Say I had gotten banned for the big MH scam. I completely quit D2, stopped coming to these forums, and was unheard of for over a year. I finally decide to break down and buy another CD key and start D2 again. I come back to these forums and start a thread, let's say it says:

'Hey guys, havn't seen you in a while. I got banned by dumb Blizzard for using MH; stupid, IMO. Well, this is the first time I'll be back on D2 since over a year and I was just wondering where most of the forum members hang out nowadays. Would be pretty kewl if we all got together again or something. B4 I go, ~Hi~ to all you guys.'

Tell me, would you respond the same way?

"Go back to open, Valar. Open is for people like you. In fact, delete this account so we know don't know its you and start over fresh, not mentioning that you used MH. Actually, go post on the Bnet forums, you can't even spell COOL or BEFORE!"

Would you want to be treated like that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

If any of you would treat me like that, any respect I had for you is now gone.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

'Hey guys, havn't seen you in a while. I got banned by dumb Blizzard for using MH; stupid, IMO. Well, this is the first time I'll be back on D2 since over a year and I was just wondering where most of the forum members hang out nowadays. Would be pretty kewl if we all got together again or something. B4 I go, ~Hi~ to all you guys.'
No, but if you had said:
'hi i havnt played sinc my acct got baned 4 usin mh lol but im bak now and im wonderin wich servr iz best to play on so idoen waste time on a crapy servr wen i coem bak an play'

I might react the same way. Infact I definitely would.

Do keep in mind my initial reaction was a spelling 'flame' and not an ith related one. I'd also still be working under the assumption that you had every intention of using MH again once you figured out it was completely safe to do so, but I'd only flame for the fact that your post hurt my eyes -.-

[PhatTrumpet]

Would just like to mention that he even apologized for mentioning he used iths in the past after being flamed numerous times.
He clearly showed that he had completely embraced the use of 'Iths'. He then tried to claim that anyone who didn't use them just wasn't good enough. After all this, you bought his pathetic apology? That doesn't seem the least bit gullible to you?
Do you honestly think I'm going to agree with you that using a hacked item in a video game, leaving, and then coming back is like molesting a child, leaving town, and coming back?

As soon as video games become as serious to me as someone molesting a child, I'll consider your comparison.
As soon as you start grasping something as simple as an anology, I might not have to explain every little detail to you over and over. You may remember a little while back where someone, who was obviously more intelligent than either of us, attempted to educate you about analogies. I'll even direct you to the exact page of that thread:

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=376325&page=6

You couldn't simply put aside your ego and accept what this guy was trying to teach you. Instead you argued that an anology involving someone killing you in your own home is disrespectful to anyone who knows anyone who's been murdered...
The fact of the matter is, if I had cheated in the past, left the game, and came back almost a year later, I wouldn't want to be punished for something I did back then. Here's a scenario for you:

Say I had gotten banned for the big MH scam. I completely quit D2, stopped coming to these forums, and was unheard of for over a year. I finally decide to break down and buy another CD key and start D2 again. I come back to these forums and start a thread, let's say it says:

'Hey guys, havn't seen you in a while. I got banned by dumb Blizzard for using MH; stupid, IMO. Well, this is the first time I'll be back on D2 since over a year and I was just wondering where most of the forum members hang out nowadays. Would be pretty kewl if we all got together again or something. B4 I go, ~Hi~ to all you guys.'

Tell me, would you respond the same way?

"Go back to open, Valar. Open is for people like you. In fact, delete this account so we know don't know its you and start over fresh, not mentioning that you used MH. Actually, go post on the Bnet forums, you can't even spell COOL or BEFORE!"

Would you want to be treated like that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

If any of you would treat me like that, any respect I had for you is now gone.
Your scenario is flawed. This guy never had to "break down and buy another CD key." The idea of "breaking down" shows a sense of giving something up in order to play the game again, and thus a willingness to be a better citizen. This guy just left back in 1.09 because he was annoyed; now he's just sauntering back to get some l33t D2 action. At no point did he have to "break down" in any way to play again.

There have been multiple maphack bannings and each time the maphack-using population eventually regenerates back to where it was before. Sure there are a few people that learn their lesson, but the vast majority can't even play the game without maphack, so they revert back to using it as soon as it's safe again. These people show no signs of changing their ways and really do not deserve a second, or third, or fourth chance at this point.

... aside from the fact that his posting style makes my eyes bleed.

[Valar-Wrath]

He clearly showed that he had completely embraced the use of 'Iths'. He then tried to claim that anyone who didn't use them just wasn't good enough. After all this, you bought his pathetic apology? That doesn't seem the least bit gullible to you?

At least he did apologize, even if it was a half *** one. He was flamed by numerous people and had nothing to gain from apologizing but did so anyway. And yes, I do think it was sincere. He realized 'we' don't appreciate people who use hacks and he was sorry that he mentioned that he once did.

As soon as you start grasping something as simple as an anology, I might not have to explain every little detail to you over and over. You may remember a little while back where someone, who was obviously more intelligent than either of us, attempted to educate you about analogies. I'll even direct you to the exact page of that thread:

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=376325&page=6

You couldn't simply put aside your ego and accept what this guy was trying to teach you. Instead you argued that an anology involving someone killing you in your own home is disrespectful to anyone who knows anyone who's been murdered...

Thank you, PT, but yes, I do know what an analogy is. Sure, part of yours made sense. Two people do something wrong and get caught, they leave and come back and expect to be accepted. THAT part makes sense. But the two scenarios are so completely different that it makes the little parts that are similar, moot. By your standards I could make any two occurences, no matter how different, an analogy. I think for it to at least be a 'good' analogy it has to be more on the same level and more similar. I don't know how else to explain it, but that's what I think.

Your scenario is flawed. This guy never had to "break down and buy another CD key." The idea of "breaking down" shows a sense of giving something up in order to play the game again, and thus a willingness to be a better citizen. This guy just left back in 1.09 because he was annoyed; now he's just sauntering back to get some l33t D2 action. At no point did he have to "break down" in any way to play again.

There have been multiple maphack bannings and each time the maphack-using population eventually regenerates back to where it was before. Sure there are a few people that learn their lesson, but the vast majority can't even play the game without maphack, so they revert back to using it as soon as it's safe again. These people show no signs of changing their ways and really do not deserve a second, or third, or fourth chance at this point.

Let's say I left the 'breaking down' part out of it. Let's say I got banned for a few months but then came back, not having to buy another key. Would you still respond the same way to me?

Several people here use or have used MH before. They are treated exactly the same and with the same respect. I truly believe the real reason this guy is getting flamed is because he is new here and his grammar could use some work. I can pretty much guarantee none of you would treat an active forum member the same way you treated a guy with 4 total posts.

... aside from the fact that his posting style makes my eyes bleed.

I also think this guy got it so bad was because of this. His grammar/spelling/punctuation was to say the least, terrible. So? Does that make him worse of a person than anyone else? Does that make his ideas invalid? Does that justify his questions being disregarded? No, it doesn't. You could have asked him politely to clean up his posting style a bit, but nope, you guys just had to flame him instead. For some reason, that doesn't surprise me anymore.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Does that justify his questions being disregarded?
Actually yes, yes it does. If someone won't take the time to write in a way that doesn't irritate me, or at least try to write in such a way, I'll disregard not only his questions but anything else he has to write because I don't bother reading it. I usually disregard Greex's posts too and he has significantly more than 4 posts by now I think.

The first 2 rhetorical questions are completely irrelevant, he might be an awesome person with great ideas. It won't matter. I'm still going to ignore what he has to type because there are plenty of good people with good ideas already on this forum who's posts don't take significant extra effort to interpret. It's not that I think less of him for his spelling/grammar it's just that I don't think of him, and it's easier to not think of someone when they're just not there. Hence my helpful advice, or mild flame, depending on your point of view -.-

[PhatTrumpet]

Thank you, PT, but yes, I do know what an analogy is. Sure, part of yours made sense. Two people do something wrong and get caught, they leave and come back and expect to be accepted. THAT part makes sense. But the two scenarios are so completely different that it makes the little parts that are similar, moot. By your standards I could make any two occurences, no matter how different, an analogy. I think for it to at least be a 'good' analogy it has to be more on the same level and more similar. I don't know how else to explain it, but that's what I think.
Well "what [you] think" must be the root problem and must be changed. The author of the analogy leaves it to the reader to figure out what the point of the analgoy is. Two contrasting things are compared and the similarities only are meant to prove a point. It's not "by [my] standards;" it's a literary device. I didn't invent it, and I'm not trying to change it. I'm just using it.

If it's your prerogative to sift through the meaning and find every little inconsistency, so be it. You're only denying yourself. No two scenarios are going to be exaclty alike. Expecting every single analogy to only involve nearly identical things is not only rendering it useless, it's also asking the impossible.

You'll probably know what I'm talking about once SAT time hits... :lol:

I think that's enough digression for one thread... at least for me it is.

[Valar-Wrath]

You'll probably know what I'm talking about once SAT time hits... :lol:

I think that's enough digression for one thread... at least for me it is.

Ugh, those are coming up in January I believe. :eek: Thanks for reminding me...

And I agree, I'm done here. Our argument has completely changed subjects and I believe that signals the end.





I think we argue so much because we're secretly in love, PT.