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chess dog
06-08-2005, 18:23
the normal debate. to take speed and accuracy or strength and defense.
deciding for the reset.
newerest
06-08-2005, 20:01
Werebear is pretty expensive to make, since you need good ar charms and lots of ias..
mepersoner
06-08-2005, 22:27
Wolf... of course.
Garbad_the_Weak
07-08-2005, 01:24
Bear
"I don't care what people think. People are stupid." - Charles Barkley
Garbad
newerest
07-08-2005, 02:59
I was making a bear druid, but I gave away the account. I will have to finish him soon..
They sound pretty fun.
I would say werebear due to the fact that if you build them right they are nice charicters.
however due to the fact that the life bonus is only slightly higher than the werewolf and that there are monsters in the game that ignore defence (the main advantage of a werebear) I'll have to say wolf.
ElJefeII
07-08-2005, 09:48
I would say werebear due to the fact that if you build them right they are nice charicters.
however due to the fact that the life bonus is only slightly higher than the werewolf and that there are monsters in the game that ignore defence (the main advantage of a werebear) I'll have to say wolf.
overall, wolves have an easier time. bears have some good attributes, and with a fast 2 handed, like really fast, they go nuts.
howver, wolf has great attack rating and the best FHRecovery in the game with hardly anything invested. often this is better than defense i always felt.
1.10 screwed up fhr for peeps like my necro, but, it was gracious to the wolf.
Bear.
For the shockwave sake of it.
Shockwave is, imho, still one of a kind among this type of characters.
pAnda_fury
07-08-2005, 10:25
the main advantage that wolves have over bears is fhr.
i have a fury wolf and a fire claws bear. my bear is much better.
the defense multiplier that bears get is nothing special and is negligable imo.
comparing my two melee druids:
my bear has more damage and hits faster.
my wolf has more life, slightly more AR and has better fhr.
)pAnda( - go BEARS!!
xpumafangx
07-08-2005, 10:30
I was the second person to vote and I voted for wolfs...
the normal debate. to take speed and accuracy or strength and defense.
deciding for the reset.
bears are faster than wolves in attacking. ;O
anywho ive ive gotta stick with wolves. ive only seen a couple very good bears and they had gear that i could never get ;/
btw garbad do you have any screenies of your old bear?
SelfBaisResistor
07-08-2005, 10:37
Try the fireclaws bear, its really fun in nightmare. I'm doing it now in the last days of ladder season 2 and I've gotten so many comments from people saying my bear pwns.
ElJefeII
07-08-2005, 10:57
Try the fireclaws bear, its really fun in nightmare. I'm doing it now in the last days of ladder season 2 and I've gotten so many comments from people saying my bear pwns.
it pwns until it doesnt.
i had a max swing with 6 socketed phase type thing, was super fast, however....
in hell it was severely lacking. how why who knows. my old gear was sick quality stuff.
part of the reason i stopped playing, couldnt make any fun builds work reallywell in pvm in hell multiplayer.
ok, first off, there is no way a bear has a higher attack speed than a wolf, main reason? wolfs have rage. a wolf useing rage has no equal in attack speed.
the shockwave bear has its use's, 10 second + stun can realy help out a party, maby in season 3 ill make a new one. but for now my old bear is retired to muleing (i screwed him up by puting points into elemental to try and boost the dmg fire claws did, that and to many points into summons totaly threw it, i dont think i would have been able to max lycan let alone lycan and werebear)
the wolf would have to be the easiest to build out of the 2 werecreature types, werebears just seem iffy to use at times and the realy kick *** ones are as rare as a realy kick *** assasin...
ok, first off, there is no way a bear has a higher attack speed than a wolf, main reason? wolfs have rage. a wolf useing rage has no equal in attack speed.
the shockwave bear has its use's, 10 second + stun can realy help out a party, maby in season 3 ill make a new one. but for now my old bear is retired to muleing (i screwed him up by puting points into elemental to try and boost the dmg fire claws did, that and to many points into summons totaly threw it, i dont think i would have been able to max lycan let alone lycan and werebear)
the wolf would have to be the easiest to build out of the 2 werecreature types, werebears just seem iffy to use at times and the realy kick *** ones are as rare as a realy kick *** assasin...
YOu mean fury right? Bears can be faster than fury..
mepersoner
07-08-2005, 22:58
Bears have to give up the damage for speed though, while wolves are able to maintain high damage and speed.
pAnda_fury
08-08-2005, 02:16
Bears have to give up the damage for speed though, while wolves are able to maintain high damage and speed.
my bear: 20k damage, 4fpa, one handed.
i'm guessing you're referring to maul which i dont really know much about
)pAnda(
mepersoner
08-08-2005, 02:57
I bet that fire damage really tears it up in hell, no Fury is still probably doing more damage on average in hell regardless of what your character screen says (and probably in nightmare and normal too considering Fury only requires 20 points to get to full damage).
Not to mention wolves can use fireclaws too, so the fact that it's a bear becomes a moot point.
pAnda_fury
08-08-2005, 11:25
I bet that fire damage really tears it up in hell, no Fury is still probably doing more damage on average in hell regardless of what your character screen says (and probably in nightmare and normal too considering Fury only requires 20 points to get to full damage).
Not to mention wolves can use fireclaws too, so the fact that it's a bear becomes a moot point.
ok i see what you mean. i guess i was talking from a pvp point of view.
wolves can use fireclaws - true. however, for fireclaws, a bear using a 110ias pb is 4fpa and a wolf using a 120 pb is 5fpa. thus, fireclaws attack by a bear is faster than any werewolf fireclaws attack - so there is a difference.
)pAnda(
BananaPancakes
08-08-2005, 12:47
ok i see what you mean. i guess i was talking from a pvp point of view.
wolves can use fireclaws - true. however, for fireclaws, a bear using a 110ias pb is 4fpa and a wolf using a 120 pb is 5fpa. thus, fireclaws attack by a bear is faster than any werewolf fireclaws attack - so there is a difference.
)pAnda(
ohhhhhhhhhhhh is that all the fire claw druids i see are in bear form, not wolf??
I say bears (pvm). Wolves lost their synergy bug for rabies in 1.11. From my point of view, thats a big disadvantage. A wolf has a hard time agianst PI's now I think.
Who can resist a cuddly Werewolf that want's to tear you limb from limb :teeth:
Pure Fury Druids have always been my fav druid build mainly because they are easy too make skill wise, but are hard too equip with the right gear makin it more challenging too make a good fury druid.
Never Cared for raibies//fury druids alway thought it was *** when duelin pansy chicken wolfs that turn tail and run after 1lil nip bite
(cuz they know they would get torn up if they try too tank me lol :lol: )
Never cared for Bears , even if they are doin a 15k+dmg fc with a 120% ias pb its pretty easy too stack fire res and throw on a D star in a Duel (if your cheezy like me :D )
my bear: 20k damage, 4fpa, one handed.
i'm guessing you're referring to maul which i dont really know much about
)pAnda(
Where did you get all that damage from? My Fireclaw had max Fireclaw and max Werebear >_> , 40 points in synenergies and an eth Hellslayer and still did 10k damage. Please explain.
JanusJones
08-08-2005, 20:19
the main advantage that wolves have over bears is fhr.
i have a fury wolf and a fire claws bear. my bear is much better.
the defense multiplier that bears get is nothing special and is negligable imo.
comparing my two melee druids:
my bear has more damage and hits faster.
my wolf has more life, slightly more AR and has better fhr.
)pAnda( - go BEARS!!
Your bear must have nice equip - including a Phase with shaels etc. Also, your Lycanthropy level can't be too high if the synergies for Fire Claws are decently high - meaning Bear form can't last long. Plus, there's the issue of single-element damage; Fire Claws bears are primarily a PvP build - for PvM the lack of a long duration on their shape and single-element only damage makes them vulnerable. The combination of those attributes and the need for very specialized equipment makes a Fire Claws bear a very suspect choice for Ladder reset.
mepersoner
08-08-2005, 20:45
ok i see what you mean. i guess i was talking from a pvp point of view.
wolves can use fireclaws - true. however, for fireclaws, a bear using a 110ias pb is 4fpa and a wolf using a 120 pb is 5fpa. thus, fireclaws attack by a bear is faster than any werewolf fireclaws attack - so there is a difference.
)pAnda(
PvP you have to worry about being resisted + absorbed, same still applies.
Yeah, there's also the attack rating difference...
pAnda_fury
09-08-2005, 02:04
Your bear must have nice equip - including a Phase with shaels etc. Also, your Lycanthropy level can't be too high if the synergies for Fire Claws are decently high - meaning Bear form can't last long. Plus, there's the issue of single-element damage; Fire Claws bears are primarily a PvP build - for PvM the lack of a long duration on their shape and single-element only damage makes them vulnerable. The combination of those attributes and the need for very specialized equipment makes a Fire Claws bear a very suspect choice for Ladder reset.
i have NEVER had any problem with shape duration, i have never even considered it really. yes my bear is a max synergy build, with lycan, bear and oak at base level, but due to all my +skills i get decent life multiplier etc.
id never dream of making a fc bear as a first character on the new ladder.
my damage is usually 17-18k. with the +3 shape/+86 life ammy and a bk i can get that damage up to 20k easily. and thats WITHOUT a hellfire yet. when i get a druid hellfire i suspect ill be up to 21k at least. heres my usual setup:
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6493/bearnormalsetup9xz.jpg
@mepersoner: my AR is around 30k usually...which isnt too bad i think.
and about the resist + absorb issue...in pub games most people dont even realise i deal fire damage :rolleyes: and in private duel games there is usually a limit on stack/absorb allowed.
so whether you reckon wolves are better than bears or not, im just saying that my bear usually has a better % of winning than my wolf...especially now that my rabies is screwed.
)pAnda(
JanusJones
10-08-2005, 08:59
I checked the screenie . . . yeeeargh!
If only I had an entire inventory worth of Shapeshifting charms . . . sigh!
However, I DO have a Druid Hellfire, and am considering making a bear of my own - but I've been thinking about doing a PvM hybrid bear, using Phoenix, Fortitude, Grief, Jalal's, Highlord's, Ravensfrost, BK, Gores, and Verdungoes. Pre-buff I'd use Spirit and Hoto or Fleshrender. Still, the Fire Claws damage would be around 3k, and the physical damage wouldn't be too bad either for that matter. However, the 7 fps swing rate with my 40% Grief is kind of a let down.
Still, I can't imagine actually building a single-damage type build. I like characters who can be played in a multitude of different situations - not only PvP or PvM.
Can't there be another kind of bear? Other than the Fire Claws PvP variant? Is this just a pipe dream of mine?
LifePincher
10-08-2005, 10:07
These are the stats of my lvl 90 FC Bear. I'm missing 5x sc's so take that into consideration. I also need to exchange 3x 12%fhr charms w/40+Lifers.
http://member.atlantic.net/~inet7911/Fire%20Kabuto%20stats.jpg
pAnda_fury
10-08-2005, 11:42
These are the stats of my lvl 90 FC Bear. I'm missing 5x sc's so take that into consideration. I also need to exchange 3x 12%fhr charms w/40+Lifers.
http://member.atlantic.net/~inet7911/Fire%20Kabuto%20stats.jpg
not bad...quite low life though.
when i get a chance i will remake my bear. i put too many points in strength...
also my charms are: 12fhr/44/43/42/40/40/40/37/36/34 - my pride and joy collection lol :clap:
)pAnda(
LifePincher
10-08-2005, 11:59
not bad...quite low life though.
when i get a chance i will remake my bear. i put too many points in strength...
also my charms are: 12fhr/44/43/42/40/40/40/37/36/34 - my pride and joy collection lol :clap:
)pAnda(
Remember now, my FHR is way up there. I need to replace the 3x (maybe 4x) 12%fhr gc's with Lifers & I also need 5x max/ar/life sc's
I'll get there........... Hell, I have the #1Summoner on East. Now I'm shooting for #1 FC Bear on East. It's a Tall order but I can pull it off **LOL**
pAnda_fury
10-08-2005, 12:11
Remember now, my FHR is way up there. I need to replace the 3x (maybe 4x) 12%fhr gc's with Lifers & I also need 5x max/ar/life sc's
I'll get there........... Hell, I have the #1Summoner on East. Now I'm shooting for #1 FC Bear on East. It's a Tall order but I can pull it off **LOL**
what fhr you got? i've got 89 fhr and that gives me 6 frames. attempting to get to the 152 bp is crazy imo.
)pAnda(
LifePincher
10-08-2005, 12:21
what fhr you got? i've got 89 fhr and that gives me 6 frames. attempting to get to the 152 bp is crazy imo.)pAnda(
I have 162fhr, I was trying for the next Breakpoint myself (360fhr) **LMAO**
Hey, I got close at one point!
360/4frame
152/5frame.
86/6frame
pAnda_fury
10-08-2005, 12:28
I have 162fhr, I was trying for the next Breakpoint myself (360fhr) **LMAO**
Hey, I got close at one point!
360/4frame
152/5frame.
86/6frame
wow maintaining that damage and AR with 162 fhr is impressive. you use stone?
still...i must disagree that an extra frame fhr is worth a loss of around 2.5-3k life... high life is the main advantage of melee druids.
)pAnda(
edit: if you want such high fhr maybe you should try a fc wolf? :thumbsup:
LifePincher
10-08-2005, 12:40
wow maintaining that damage and AR with 162 fhr is impressive. you use stone?
still...i must disagree that an extra frame fhr is worth a loss of around 2.5-3k life... high life is the main advantage of melee druids.
)pAnda(
edit: if you want such high fhr maybe you should try a fc wolf? :thumbsup:
I use..... (off the top of my head mind you)
Archon of Stab 24%fhr and 4x 5/5 fire facets
Jalal's and 5/5 fire facet
Phase Blade 110ias/95ed
Stormshield w/shael
IK Boots & Gloves (I've tested all combos and this is best)
Eth Treks
Dungos/15%dr
Angelics ammy & 2x rings
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