anyone know if the +2 crit on amazon armor

[stevethatsmyname]

works for other classes?

Peace - Body Armor - 'ShaelThulAmn'
4% chance to cast Level 5 Slow Missiles when struck
2% chance to cast Level 15 Valkyrie on striking
+2 to Amazon Skill Levels
+20% Faster Hit Recovery
+2 to Critical Strike (oskill)
+30% Resist Cold (thul)
Attacker takes damage of 14 (amn)

[happyfamine]

it works on other classes. just don't put it on a merc, the game crashes when the valk is cast.

[stevethatsmyname]

helllllllllooooooooooo charger armor ^____^

[stevethatsmyname]

do u know if it would be like...... +4 critical strike?

Since it has +2 amazon skills, and critical strike is an amazon skill.

Does the +2 ama skills work even if you are a pally?

[Ankeli]

Does the +2 ama skills work even if you are a pally?

Now that has to be one of the dumbest questions ever :lol: No offence though =D You answered yourself.

[stevethatsmyname]

well

critical strike is an amazon skill

even tho you are a pally, you get an amazon skill.

So will the +2 amazon skills apply to critical strike, even if you are not an amazon.

(i doesn't say +2 to the amazon's skills, it says +2 to all amazon skills, so it make sens that it applies even if the character is NOT in fact an amazon)

[Ankeli]

well

critical strike is an amazon skill

even tho you are a pally, you get an amazon skill.

So will the +2 amazon skills apply to critical strike, even if you are not an amazon.

(i doesn't say +2 to the amazon's skills, it says +2 to all amazon skills, so it make sens that it applies even if the character is NOT in fact an amazon)

That's rational thinking, something that blizzard aint capable of.

[NightShade]

...Why would you use this on a paladin?


You lose a potential +60 in favour of +30% chance to crit or so.....


Honor/insight seems the better route.

[RoXoR]

mmmmm id love to use that armor, what lvl req?

[Tai.]

29, or 30 depending if its based off rune or valk, dont have difinitive answer

cheers
-tai

[stevethatsmyname]

...Why would you use this on a paladin?


You lose a potential +60 in favour of +30% chance to crit or so.....


Honor/insight seems the better route.
why the heck use guillames ever then?!?!?




another thing is......

a few low runes,....... vs...... 4x expensive *** jewels. Which is easier to get? I am hardly rich, and the runes will be the only thing available after reset.


Here is my latest build i cooked up on the toilet today:

eth honor knout (toughest thing to come by)
Peace - Body Armor
spirit shield (+2 crit skill since I'm already wearing armor)
angelic r/r/a (obviously....)
3x jewel helm (nothing better out there...... =( )
string
bfist
sanders boots

only 3 jewels to collect instead of 11. Weaker damage, but massive crit.

25% deadly, level 4 crit = 38%, level 6 crit = 46% (depending if the +2 ama skills adds to crit)

if its 46%, that adds with 25% deadly to become 59.5% chance for double damage (complicated math dont worry about it)

but the bottom line is it's dirt cheap and doesnt require a lot of jewels.

[NightShade]

The face has several advantages

+fhr
+Str
+defense (fairly good considering)
+ CB


Personally I'd still go with the dmg armour, but economically speaking I suppose it could work. Throw that on a driver paladin and giggle or something.

[stevethatsmyname]

The face has several advantages

+fhr
+Str
+defense (fairly good considering)
+ CB


Personally I'd still go with the dmg armour, but economically speaking I suppose it could work. Throw that on a driver paladin and giggle or something.
+fhr.... i'll give you that, but the ama armor has fhr too
+ CB .... don't make me laugh.... useless on a charger
+ defense ok ill give u this too
+str, only good if you're using a massive weapon

all in all, id say going armor over +60 max is a bit better choice than using guillams over an extra +30 max (guillams +15 over plain +45) for a charger.

ANd yeah i was thinking just that.

Eth upd driver
+45 helm
ama armor

That gives you a good solid 46% crit. The most youd be getting without it would be 15% with guillames (which is a bad choice anyways)

[NightShade]

Er, don't knock CB.


Cb is factored in before you do damage (the physical damage is applied before the impact of your hit) so it can take 1/5th of the life out of a target before you even squish their brains out either ear.


barb with 1k hpts.

You do lets say 800 pvp on a crit (lame example,yes)

He gets smacked with a crit/crush right off the bat taking him down to 800 life. You max roll. You 1 shot killed him. If he had 3000 life he'd be down 600 life before you layed a hand on him..


I love CB on chargers, I tend to use gob toes + guilmes on any charger I make that I want to kill much higher things than myself.


If the zon armour is less than lvl 30 (I doubt) then you could probably just crush them with a regular eth driver, as your damage would be insane on a crit for a 29.

[stevethatsmyname]

i think its already been shown that its 29

[stevethatsmyname]

i think its already been shown that its 29
http://www.geocities.com/stevethatsmyname/Screenshot007.jpg



EDIT: on crushing blow, I dont have any proof at this time, but im pretty sure that crushing blow does not work fully in pvp.



Something to do with, pvp penalty applying AFTER damage is calculated



i.e. Enemy has 1000 life. Crush would take 200, but then you apply 1/6 pvp penalty, so it really takes 33 HP only.



ANother quick append. it appears that the crit does *not* take into account the +2 ama skills, for other classes.

I did a bit of testing, and it seems a lot more like 38% than 46.

(sorry tai for killing your amazon )


EDIT2: ok just saw what you are saying...... crush *would* take 1/10, but takes 1/5 because of criticrush? Lemme go crunch the numbers and figure out what really goes on behind the scenes.

[stevethatsmyname]

ok i got my final build,

I should be able to piece it together within a few days - 1 week of ladder reset


Weap : Eth honor knout
Armor: "peace" anything
helm: pcrown (+1 skills = a bit of damage and 4% crit, and 20 vit = 60HP = nothing to sneeze at), and 15% r/w to boot.

shield: spirit w/ ED automod (+2 skills, some vit, mana)
belt : string if i can get one
boot: sanders
angelic r/r/a if i can get em.


notice, no jewels. Which is the beauty of the setup.

[NightShade]

Crushing works at 1/10th in pvp.

With a crit, you now have 1/5th.

[AzaZaz]

are you sure that critical is factored into crushing blow? thats the first time i've ever heard cb being turned to 1/5 but i'm not saying you're wrong i've just never heard it before.


Anyways, CB is very much so a factor in PVP. Why do you think low lvl kickasns are any good at all. They load up on 100% cb and just kick with minimal dmg lots of times. If you take a lvl 3x druid and give him ribcracker, why do you think that build is viable? Because he attacks very quickly with a high % chance to CB. Imagine taking off an extra 10% of your opponents life BEFORE your dmg is calculated. I have a ribcracker druid, he has 5 swing fury, say he lands four furies. 2 of those will do 10% of your life before you hit. if you have 1000 life you're now down to 810 life before I calculate any of my dmg. And thats providing that what shade said about crit/cb is wrong. If he's right then theres a chance to do 1/5 and you're now down to 720 before I factor in a single hit of my own listed dmg. Throw in my 1200 fury at rapid speeds, - my 1/6 penalty on four hits thats 200 a hit for four hits that 800 dmg to your 720 life remaining. Now you are dead to a 1200 dmg fury with 80 dmg to spare. Take CB out of the equation and you're still standing there with 200 life and time to rejuv/attack.

Shade said he likes cb on chargers, I prefer crit on chargers and cb on a char hitting fast and often (zealot, kicker, fury) but to each their own. But it definately is a factor in pvp.

[NightShade]

It was the principal my druid was based on, on west.

He'd tear down level 80 barbs without much problem, though killing was an issue.

Coldsteel eye
Guilmes
Gob toes
Lanceguard
Blood gear


One fury they'd be down to 30% life if it hit solidly. I stumbled on the idea when Tecira's Fury sin hit my barb with 1 star and knocked me down 400 hpts

[stevethatsmyname]

one thing to remember, This is coming from baranor in 1.09.

I just had a flashback of one of his PVM builds, load up on as much crit/deadly as possible, get something that will amp enemies, and start smashing.

But, it's the deadly that doubles the crushing blow, and not critical strike.

This was back when barbs had the mastery bug, and 100% critical strike. Thus, any barb wanting to use his build had to completely skip mastery.

Just a little thing to keep in mind........


And yea.... I will definitely have to go figure out if CB happens before, or after, the initial hit.


CB = 1/10, Deadly CB = 1/5, deadly CB when target amped = 40% HP in 1 hit. Headstriker necro anyone? ;)

[Baranor]

mmmm no, your memory is skewed.

I used atmas+headstriker (non-upped)+gores on a paladin, and in 1.09 ds+cb was double ds. I never tested it against cs. however, I did say that with a headstriker you could do a masteryless barbie.



basically, in 1.09 a sin with 100% cb, atmas, that freezing splint (iceblink) and a ****load ds could one-hit all monsters in nm with its blade shield, and shred hell diablo to death in about 2 seconds even with 8 players. they used dtalon and blade shield for that, for like 20 hits in a second.

[Raith]

this +2 crit is crucial!

[TheGreatFIG]

Does CB work the same with bows? Never tried it before... and if so, does it work the same with MS? aka like 20 shots with a chance to CB ? What about pirercing, if a shot hits one target multiple times, can it CB more than once?

[stevethatsmyname]

yes, yes and yes.

But it does less damage than it would in melee.

Not sure the exact number, though.

[NightShade]

damage via bow = 1/8th.

[Dahkar]

Hrm, this thread makes me want to try a grief smiter, lol.

[stevethatsmyname]

Hrm, this thread makes me want to try a grief smiter, lol.
GL getting runes in new ladder MWA HA HA HA

[Valar-Wrath]

Hrm, this thread makes me want to try a grief smiter, lol.

This thread makes me wish that I would ever be able to HOLD a Grief, let alone use it.

[stevethatsmyname]

This thread makes me wish that I would ever be able to HOLD a Grief, let alone use it.
ive used one in SC, they are SWEEEEEET =P

[PawnOfChaos]

I was gonna make one by trading 2 guls for a Lo, but then I had a great deal a couple days ago that I couldn't pass up. I traded 2 guls for tals ammy, drac's (for my smiter), highlord's, and JAH. Well, the problem is that now I have jah, and want to make an enigma now, my smiter and his need for grief be damned.

I get myself in the worse situations...

This is all before seeing ladder is resetting Monday, I simply MUST have a Ber before then so I can make my first ever nigma.

So, for all you folks killing off your chars... GIB ME A BER FIRST! I don't want your nigma, I want a Ber. :)