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So, lets scractch up the gear and skill layout for a smiter who would eat the 3 gangsta bros alive. Since im a total nublet with smiters and paladins in common, i'll leave it to you :)
PhatTrumpet
03-08-2005, 19:40
Just read any one of the millions of threads in the Community or Paladin Forums. They all say "Load up on resists and Crushing Blow, then get something that casts Life Tap."
It's really not something an entire forum needs to collaborate on.
Just read any one of the millions of threads in the Community or Paladin Forums. They all say "Load up on resists and Crushing Blow, then get something that casts Life Tap."
It's really not something an entire forum needs to collaborate on.
well their builds tend to have like 1,7k life WITH cta... softcore builds rarely work as well in HC. they are usually built in a way they will die a few times, we cant afford that luxury.
My plan is to build a smiter with this gear i think, not started yet but i doubt ill change it much
Grief pb
CoA (um+um)
Some sort of exile with all res
CoH
Upped goblin toe
2*bk rings maybe one ravenfrost
Maras
verdungo
Dracul's Grasp
Cta + lidless on switch
5-6 combat skillers
anni
hellfire +3 pala
rest life/res charms
any comments?
My plan is to build a smiter with this gear i think, not started yet but i doubt ill change it much
Grief pb
CoA (um+um)
Some sort of exile with all res
CoH
Upped goblin toe
2*bk rings maybe one ravenfrost
Maras
verdungo
Dracul's Grasp
Cta + lidless on switch
5-6 combat skillers
anni
hellfire +3 pala
rest life/res charms
any comments?
yeah i have a comment, you have too many items. Spread the bananas around so we can all have some ;)
i want a grief, coa, cta, coh, life/res charms and pretty much everything else you said :)
ehhh forget it, i'll stick to munchin on lld's and leave the hellfire charmin to the ppl who can afford it :)
yeah i have a comment, you have too many items. Spread the bananas around so we can all have some ;)
i want a grief, coa, cta, coh, life/res charms and pretty much everything else you said :)
ehhh forget it, i'll stick to munchin on lld's and leave the hellfire charmin to the ppl who can afford it :)
Come to europe and the land of mid lvl loot duels.
Come to europe and the land of mid lvl loot duels.
i knew i was doing something wrong only stealing from low lvls ;)
That looks like a great build but why COH instead of enigma?
Resist.. Conviction.. need I say more?
PhatTrumpet
03-08-2005, 22:18
Any reason for Verdungo's over TGod's?
And why Lidless instead of 'Spirit' on switch??
I don't know how you guys manage to get the loot, they always leave before I can put my charms in my stash :P Maybe I'll have to create some no charm builds.
Any reason for Verdungo's over TGod's?
And why Lidless instead of 'Spirit' on switch??
i heard something about baals hit being pretty nasty, and i only have DR from CoA 10-15 and 8 from CoH.
And yeah spirit is ofcourse what i will use.
no charms. my anti-sorc runs with a mostly empty inventory. I only have a few chars with full charms. my 16 and 49 hopefully if i can get more druid summoning charms.
fatyesod
03-08-2005, 22:42
My plan is to build a smiter with this gear i think, not started yet but i doubt ill change it much
Grief pb
any comments?
what's so good about Grief PB?
what's so good about Grief PB?
Grief is no doubt the best choice for a weapon on a smiter.
The only realm thing to consider is either to use a phaseblade ( for speed) or Berseker axe ( for one ekstra range)
i picked phaseblade because i didnt really feel like having any ias gear.
I gotta look at some rune words (old and new) and figure out some builds that can take ears with no charms :P Your an obedience charger?
DTalon + CB FTW???
I know Smiters can do it faster but with 1 point Blade Fury you can actually do somehting around IM!
Nothing gets rez and DR easier than a Sin Kicker.
Javazon not do these guys well?
Wait I have the build.......
Me/N
Empathy/Price of Failure/Backfire/*Echo/Migraine/Power Drain/Power Block
DTalon + CB FTW???
I know Smiters can do it faster but with 1 point Blade Fury you can actually do somehting around IM!
Nothing gets rez and DR easier than a Sin Kicker.
Javazon not do these guys well?
Wait I have the build.......
Me/N
Empathy/Price of Failure/Backfire/*Echo/Migraine/Power Drain/Power Block
energy tap :x you'll run out of mana without those +15/-1 items and they suck.
I gotta look at some rune words (old and new) and figure out some builds that can take ears with no charms :P Your an obedience charger?
The chars i have more success with in loot duels is my favorite type of all time, lvl 4x-6x pvp barbs.
Firstly i normally only loot duel ppl that are known for duelling, and also gain their wealth through loot duels, so most of them stays.
also for them to agree to a loot duel, you will need gear with a certain value, else they wont agree.
Hardly any trustable ppl with loot duel a pala these days.
energy tap :x you'll run out of mana without those +15/-1 items and they suck.
Not with Frostys, Shako and charms!!!
15/-1 dont suck.........you just have to use them "right"!!!
2+ item setups, actuall 3 is best.
Standard +12 Energy with all regen
15/-1 x 2
Empty or a Shield/weapon
Use the 15/-1 setup for emergency energy, not your main setup. On a Messemer its very nice as if drained you can switch and get in a couple of steals and then switch back and be rockin again!
Sorry for the double post. Anyway, here's the gear i was thinking.
Um'ed Guillaume's Face (for the CB)
Um'ed Guardian Angel (for resists and a fancy +1)
Um'ed HoZ (Cant afford exile)
Dracul's Grasp (for the lifetap)
TGods (for the light absorp)
Dwarf Star (for the fire absorp)
Raven Frost (for the cold absorp)
Metalgrid / Highlord / Mara (which one? or if any?)
I'm torn about the boots. Goreriders perhaps? They would allow me max CB. Then again, Treks would give poison res which may be hard to come accross elsewhere. Waterwalks would grant life... Help me out here.
Ethereal Death Berserker Axe (stats below, for CB and zeal pvm)
Hel + El + Vex + Ort + Gul
100% Chance To Cast Level 44 Chain Lightning When You Die
25% Chance To Cast Level 18 Glacial Spike On Attack
Indestructible
+300-385% Enhanced Damage (varies)
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
50% Chance of Crushing Blow
+0.5-50% (per Character Level) Deadly Strike (Based on Character Level)
+1 To Light Radius
Level 22 Blood Golem (15 Charges)
Requirements -20%
On switch CTA and spirit if my str meets the requirements (not sure, havent done those calculations yet.)
edit: my ias will suck though. propably just the 34% from fanat. is it THAT bad? should i invest more for ias somehow...
85% CB, should be enough. With gores it would be max though.
thas a pretty good build, and not all SC players build with low life, my hammerdin had 3.8k with bo in tris :/ anyway back on topic
if u want a nice smiter, just go
Black flail/grief
Um Guillaume
Enigma or Um Skin of Vipermagi
Um hoz/Um upped hoz (ideally exhile for tap but hoz is ok)
Dracul's Grasp
dwarf/raven/wisp (switch around based on boss order)
goblin toe
Mara (resist and more skill)
first switch, black and hoz will be for crushing blow, which utterly destroys the bosses, then when boss life is low, switch to dmg setup, grief and upped hoz. Enigma allows a vita build, but if u load up on vita charms u should also be fine w/o nigma. resists arent as important from my experience, although they should be positive, the lifetap is. We've done trist 3x, so if u want any more Q&A i can try to help.
edit: forgot, u shouldnt need CTA, a friend will or have a barb :) also if ur really worried about resists have someone use salvation. Its easy with a few pallys, one use conc other use salvation last is smiter :) we did tris in under 2 min with 2 hammer and 1 smiter.
thas a pretty good build, and not all SC players build with low life, my hammerdin had 3.8k with bo in tris :/ anyway back on topic
if u want a nice smiter, just go
Black flail/grief
Um Guillaume
Enigma or Um Skin of Vipermagi
Um hoz/Um upped hoz (ideally exhile for tap but hoz is ok)
Dracul's Grasp
dwarf/raven/wisp (switch around based on boss order)
goblin toe
Mara (resist and more skill)
first switch, black and hoz will be for crushing blow, which utterly destroys the bosses, then when boss life is low, switch to dmg setup, grief and upped hoz. Enigma allows a vita build, but if u load up on vita charms u should also be fine w/o nigma. resists arent as important from my experience, although they should be positive, the lifetap is. We've done trist 3x, so if u want any more Q&A i can try to help.
edit: forgot, u shouldnt need CTA, a friend will or have a barb :) also if ur really worried about resists have someone use salvation. Its easy with a few pallys, one use conc other use salvation last is smiter :) we did tris in under 2 min with 2 hammer and 1 smiter.
Well the point sort of is to take care of it with just 2 or 3 people, since i dont have that many friends i can trust. I dont want to do it for the thrill, i want the charm too :) So i guess my current setup is enough to take them low and and then have a summonmancer and a sorc/hammerdin take off the last bits.
Originally posted by RoXoR
Its easy with a few pallys, one use conc other use salvation last is smiter we did tris in under 2 min with 2 hammer and 1 smiter.
you could always swap out a hammerdin for bo barb before goin in, and leave 1 hammerdin with lower bo, u should beat em before either wears off. Hammers drop that last sliver of life nice.
PhatTrumpet
04-08-2005, 22:40
Um'ed Guillaume's Face (for the CB)
Um'ed Guardian Angel (for resists and a fancy +1)
Um'ed HoZ (Cant afford exile)
Dracul's Grasp (for the lifetap)
TGods (for the light absorp)
Dwarf Star (for the fire absorp)
Raven Frost (for the cold absorp)
Metalgrid / Highlord / Mara (which one? or if any?)
I'm torn about the boots. Goreriders perhaps? They would allow me max CB. Then again, Treks would give poison res which may be hard to come accross elsewhere. Waterwalks would grant life... Help me out here.
Ethereal Death Berserker Axe (stats below, for CB and zeal pvm)
Hel + El + Vex + Ort + Gul
100% Chance To Cast Level 44 Chain Lightning When You Die
25% Chance To Cast Level 18 Glacial Spike On Attack
Indestructible
+300-385% Enhanced Damage (varies)
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
50% Chance of Crushing Blow
+0.5-50% (per Character Level) Deadly Strike (Based on Character Level)
+1 To Light Radius
Level 22 Blood Golem (15 Charges)
Requirements -20%
Speed is key. 'Death' would most likely be too slow, plus the high damage and Deadly Strike would go to waste (I assume we're talking Smiter here since you need ridiculous AR just to hit these guys).
Consider Azurewrath for its speed and, most importantly, Sanctuary aura. It'll help keep all those bastards off your arse while you tangle with the uber 3.
If you want to make up for lost CB, try a 'Duress' armor.
I assume you're upgrading that HoZ.
I would go with Mara's for sure.
Check your resists, but I don't think you'd need the PR from Treks. Gore Riders are the way to go.
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