Goldfind??

[pedu]

One thing ive been wondering is why, oh why do people want goldfind in their skillers or other items. Dont you get enough gold with just selling items or what? I realise that if you pick up stuff your inv. will get full fast and you would have to go to town and sell. I just dont see the point in having goldfind.
Could someone explain this for me??

[krischan]

If you have a character specialized in finding gold (typically a barbarian who kills nightmare councils in Travincal - he normally has several thousands of GF), you can find gold far quicker than by selling items. Such a character will fill up his inventory and stash with gold in just a few minutes.

Gold in greater amounts is normally used for gambling. Popular items to gamble are amulets, rings, circlets and crafting base material.

[pedu]

Alrighty, i knew it had to have something to do with gambling. Didnt know it went that fast to fill inventory. Have to give it a try.

[Superhal]

i usually fool around with wealth armor, gheeds, goldwrap, and chance guards. that usually makes 3-5k gold piles in hell, 16k-32k from champions.

i usually make, with item selling, with this setup, around 150-250k per a5su run.

[-Tempus-]

Alrighty, i knew it had to have something to do with gambling. Didnt know it went that fast to fill inventory. Have to give it a try.

playing with a goldfind char is something fun to do when you get sick of doing MF. since a good goldfind setup can have zero MF or very little it also gives you something to do when looking for white, eth items to use for rune words.

doing GF vs selling items for gold, well it depends on how much goldfind you happen to have and if you have max FI skill on a barb. if you dont have much mf then selling items for gold can get you just as much as the gold drops. maybe 100k-300k but with a good goldfind setup you can get over 1mill gold just from the gold piles plus what you get from items.

-Tempus-

[helvete]

Would you use LemLemLemLemLemLem elite swords or upped LemLem Ali Babas? I can't picture most barbs killing with such swords anyway, which is why I'm looking to make a singer. If a singer can kill NM (or preferrably, hell) council members, then I'll make a GF/MF singer, aimed at hell council.

[krischan]

6 Lem elite swords will deal far less damage than upgraded Ali Babas. they also give you lots of MF. Together with Wealth, Goldwrap and Chanceguards you will have more than 300% MF. Even the nightmare councils in Travincal are good item droppers. It was pure luck, of course, but I found a Soj in gold find run #20 or so, for example :)

If you want to kill hell councils, you will have to give up perhaps half of your GF stuff for better resists (especially fire+lightning), IAS, damage and leech. That means, gold drops will be worse than those from nightmare.

[-Tempus-]

Would you use LemLemLemLemLemLem elite swords or upped LemLem Ali Babas? I can't picture most barbs killing with such swords anyway, which is why I'm looking to make a singer. If a singer can kill NM (or preferrably, hell) council members, then I'll make a GF/MF singer, aimed at hell council.

i have both on my main goldfind barb. i use 2 six lem blades on his switch or 2 two lem ali's. with a might merc + sharp/greed charms they still do ok dmg even in hell. they are only needed for the last hit (merc or barb) and when using the FI skill on the dead, they dont need to be a killing weapon.

using warcry can work but could be hard if you dont have greed/warcry charms. it also depends on how many more +skills you can get into your build. a +2 barb/greed circlet or lem shako, +2 barb/greed amulet, anni, battlecommand.

if all you want to do is run NM then you could just lev your merc kill while you use the FI skill.

If you want to kill hell councils, you will have to give up perhaps half of your GF stuff for better resists (especially fire+lightning), IAS, damage and leech. That means, gold drops will be worse than those from nightmare.

a few points in NR and an anni sc will help a lot to get max to all in hell on a barb. using resist/greed charms is the easy way to make up for low resist if you cant pick it up from rare/crafted amulet, boots, belts. my barb can get max to all in hell while using all of his setups and thats with +3600%gf.

the best item to use on most barbs that want to run the hell high council is still LoH. using chance guards can be slower but LoH works great if you dont have a good killing weapon.

-Tempus-

[helvete]

LoH should work even greater with increasing weapon damage and charms. I think I'm going to try a Warcry setup, since I have a lot of skillers with GF on them (which I don't need on other barbs) and since I'd level him pretty fast with my 2 "Echoing Blade"s. Playing twinked through to NM is easy as long as I don't lose my way in A3. Being SP there is no Anni, but that just makes it a little more of a challenge. The real interesting part of War Cry is its stunning effect. I have even seen 1.09 barbs use it versus hell cows with some luck. Does the stun effect work on council members? In that case, a might merc should have no problems help killing them. If it doesn't work, I'd probably try my luck with a Holy Freeze merc..

[helvete]

Heey, wait.... Wouldn't a +3 war cry "Delerium" barb helm be THE singer helm anyway? :D Its LemIstIo or something, at least there is both +2 all and MF/GF in OK amounts, and still a possibility of having +natural resist or something else useful on it. BO and Shouth I'd pre-buff with +6 warcry weapon switch, and then use 2x LemLem Ali Baba for the actual killing (plus a merc to help kill). I'm thinking "Insight" to help with mana, and Holy Freeze from the merc himself now... Dang! Guess I'll have to install the expansion on my laptop soon...

[-Tempus-]

Heey, wait.... Wouldn't a +3 war cry "Delerium" barb helm be THE singer helm anyway? :D Its LemIstIo or something, at least there is both +2 all and MF/GF in OK amounts, and still a possibility of having +natural resist or something else useful on it. BO and Shouth I'd pre-buff with +6 warcry weapon switch, and then use 2x LemLem Ali Baba for the actual killing (plus a merc to help kill). I'm thinking "Insight" to help with mana, and Holy Freeze from the merc himself now... Dang! Guess I'll have to install the expansion on my laptop soon...

if you just want to run nm high council then anything will work. i often put a 190 dmg 6 lem eth greatpoleaxe on my might merc when i do nm and just let him kill stuff. even with a pole with so little dmg he kills them very fast. since i have always used a merc for the last hit or to do all the killing i always drop 1 point min into warcry. i can recast it in time to keep the high council stun'd. when i do hell high council i give my merc a real weapon so he can still kill fast. the 6 lem pole still works in hell but its slow, i only use it when i'm trying to top my best single pile of gold drop.

using insight will work very well on the merc when you want to lev but it may not have the dmg you'll want when doing hell high council if you want them to kill. using the might merc with a good weapon will work best if you want them to do most of the killing while you use your warcries to control the monsters. max battlecry so monsters do less dmg and warcry to stun and dmg them.

holy freeze or any cold dmg isnt what you want on a barb that will be using the FI skill. the cold dmg will chill monsters but many of the bodies will break so you wont have as many bodies to use the FI skill on. since a goldfind barb with max FI skill gets most of the gold while using the FI skill fewer bodies to use it on isnt good.

warcry/greed charms work great for all gf barbs but best on a singer
sharp/greed works great if you melee and want more dmg
resist/greed is the best way to get max to all

-Tempus-

[helvete]

So then it looks about like this for the singer:

"Delerium" +3 warcry helm
Rare +2 amulet with GF or even better +3 warcries with GF
2x Ali Baba "LemLem"
"Wealth" in a reasonable armor
2x Dwarf Star (in worst case, switch those away for 1 raven and 1 SoJ)
Upped Goldwrap
Upped Chance Guards
Rare boots, or Silkweave for the mana
As many warcries charms as needed, hopefully with GF
Resist small charms, hopefully with GF
Cube to drop items in, and 2x4 open space to pick up stuff (i can't live without that, would slow me down)

Might merc with all eth gear
"Insigth" or "Obedience" depending on my needs, maybe "LemLemLemLemLemLem" eth War Pike or Great Poleaxe for nightmare runs (450% extra gold from him... *drool*)
"Wealth" in as big an eth armor as he can carry
Crown of Thieves, as good one as possible, maybe "Lem" socket it, or a very good rare GF jewel.

Singer should be a standard one, maxed BO, WC and as much synergies as possible at any given level without giving up the "one point wonders" such as natural resist.

From what I can tell, that's at least 1300 GF on the barb, and ~400 on the merc for hell use, and Warcry with a little less than 1k damage each cast. No FCR, so that would be for stun purposes when running.