Help with info please

[DaWWsinDude]

Hi,

Does the runeword Doom and its -60% enemy cold resistance work with Frozen Orbs Enemy Cold Piercing Mastery?.

If I have 200 Enemy CP Mastery. And -50% Enemy Cold Resis from Doom, do they stack to 250%?

Thanks.

[RetroStar]

It does if you wear the Doom. Not the merc, just clearing this up.

[Verbatim]

Yes, they will stack...and no they won't stack.

Let me explain: Yes, you will have -250% enemy cold resistance (fat lot of good it'll do you...you'll never get to use more than 199%, as I'll explain). The lowest resistance to cold that an enemy can have is -100%. So if you're attacking a creature with 0 cold resistance, they'll only have their resistance reduced 100% before they hit the -100% floor, so in that case, you have 150% -ecr (enemy cold resistance) that isn't doing any good. If you're attacking a creature with 90 cold resistance, they'll be reduced by 190%, to the same -100% floor, and you'll have 60% -ecr that isn't doing anything.

Creatures that have 100% or more cr are usually if not always "cold immune", and only the Pally aura Conviction can remove the immunity: -er doesn't matter against immunes, unless the Conviction aura breaks their immunity. Convicition only breaks immunity if it reduces the enemy's resistance below 100%.

So let's take the case of a monster whose cold resistance drops to 99% because of a nearby pally or merc with a conviction aura. It's just enough to remove the immunity, which allows your -res from other sources to affect the monster. In that case you'll reduce the monster's resistance by 199%, to the same -100% floor, and you'll still have 51% -ecr that isn't doing anything.

The upshot: the maximum amount of -res that is worthwhile, not counting conviction, is 199%. It's very, very rare for all of that 199% to be useful, so it may not be worth getting more than -100 or -150, which will reduce any monster it affects to at least -1% or -51%, and the vast majority significantly lower.

[DaWWsinDude]

Verbati/Retrostar,

Ty. I was thinking of making a sorc wearing doom and other uber items to get -500% enemy cold resis for PVP :P. I mean think of all the cold absorb items and still you can break through that darn absorb.

[Verbatim]

Hmm...interesting idea...the question becomes "does -res affect absorb"? If it does, then it might be worthwhile to stack your -res, if -res can't reduce absorb, then there's no point stacking your -res higher than your opponent stacks their resistance, not counting absorb. I imagine over 200 would still be useful sometimes, even if you can't reduce absorb, because I think players do stack resistances over 100% in PvP sometimes (even though resistance is capped at 50% in PvP, not at the PvM 75% that you see on the lying character screen).

Does anyone know whether -res can negate absorb?

[DaWWsinDude]

Hmm...interesting idea...the question becomes "does -res affect absorb"? If it does, then it might be worthwhile to stack your -res, if -res can't reduce absorb, then there's no point stacking your -res higher than your opponent stacks their resistance, not counting absorb. I imagine over 200 would still be useful sometimes, even if you can't reduce absorb, because I think players do stack resistances over 100% in PvP sometimes (even though resistance is capped at 50% in PvP, not at the PvM 75% that you see on the lying character screen).

Does anyone know whether -res can negate absorb?

I read somewhere on these forums that %absorb acts like resistance but, doubled.
For example if you have 20% cold absorb from a raven frost, it is actually like having +40 cold resistance.
However I don't know if +absorb is calculated the same way.
Anyway, the sorc is powerful but, extremely fragile at the same time if one were to go -enemy cold resis jewels all the way.

[sangfagel]

Verbatim´s answer was generally correct but
1. Not ONLY the Pally aura Conviction can remove the immunity - necro curse Lower Resists can do it as well. Even better: curse and aura can stack.
2. Remember that both aura and curse works only at 20% capacity for immunities. For instance - if a monster has 110% cold resist you need at least 55% reduce from aura/curse to braek immunity. Than cold mastery works as usual. Immunity of some monsters can not be broken.

Afaik resists and absorbs are two different things. Resists works before absorbs, so more resist = less absorb (because less damage is taken).
If you lower enemy´s resists, he has better use of his absorb.

[Aeonios]

Better use, but you still do more total damage. I'm not sure about this, but I thought lower res worked at full power vs immunes, while only conviction gets nerfed. I've seen people in pvp stack their res 200+, so that might not be a bad idea. Hard to get your damage up that way tho.

[k/t]

Resists in PvP are capped at 50%??? In every difficulty level? This is absolute news to me. Please discuss more.

[sangfagel]

Better use, but you still do more total damage.
Of course - yes.
I'm not sure about this, but I thought lower res worked at full power vs immunes, while only conviction gets nerfed.

I am preatty sure that lower resists is nerfed as well. "Preatty sure "is not "really sure", so... I hope that RTB will read this thread ;) Otherwise you can ask this question on statistics forum.

K/T - I can nothing about pvp but I have a diffuse memory that resists/lowering resists work different in pvp. Again - ask on statistics forum if RTB don´t answer it here.

[bih]

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