-Maximum damage lightning sorceress- (some questions inside)

[HardyTarget]

Hello.

This is ladder, europe, if it matters :D

I heard there's a bug when inserting ed jewels on an armor, does this bug also apply to facets?

If the answer to former question is NO, would arkaine+2 with a perfect lightning facet give me the best damage I can get from a body armor?

How much damage does the 30 level holy shock aura do with 500% added from lightning mastery?

I might have forgotten some other stuff, might ask them later.

Thanks in advance.

[Aeonios]

I've heard of bugs involving max damage jewels, but not facets. If you're looking for pure damage, then yes, a +2 arkaine's with a perfect facet would give you the best damage possible.

[RetroStar]

1. No facets are not bugged. Only EDmg/+Max or +Min Jewels (together on one jewel) are bugged on armours/helms

2. Best armour would be an Ormus with +3Lightning a perfect Lightning Dmg (20% with facet)

3. No clue.

[HardyTarget]

Thanks for the answers, I was mainly wondering the facets in armors.
I barely see people wearing an arkaine, or even any arkaine trading on the forums but it seems to be the only unique armor with +2 skills, thus, the only +2 all skill -armor that can have one extra socket.

I realized the ormus would give more damage to the lightning but I want to have a build that gets the most benefit overall.
I prefer killing regular monsters with chain lightning and bossess with lightning, along with thunderstorm.

Here's a the equipment I was thinking:

Perfect - & + dmg griffon with a perfect jewel inside.
+3 skill amulet with 100+ life.
2 sojs
arach
arkaine +2 with a jewel.
perfect echuta with jewel.
Spirit monarch
Some boots (?)
inventory: some lightning skiller with life, 5allres sc's with life.

Only currently missing griffon, amulet & one jewel and it's as above.
I wonder if I'll manage to complete this on this ladder season. :D

Still wondering the damage from the stacked dual dream holyshock aura.

[raffster]

I heard there's a bug when inserting ed jewels on an armor, does this bug also apply to facets?
I haven't heard of this bug. Sorry.

If the answer to former question is NO, would arkaine+2 with a perfect lightning facet give me the best damage I can get from a body armor?

Same as the answer of retrostar.

How much damage does the 30 level holy shock aura do with 500% added from lightning mastery?

I have a Holy Shock / Holy Fire Auradin so I can answer this question. Level 30 Holy gives you 1-278 Lightning damage x 500% = 1-1390 lightning damage. That's almost useless damage against anybody who has max resists. For any type of item based aura to become effective, it must be used in sync with a paladin's corresponding aura, in this case, conviction that will really make the holy shock effective.

You are better off maxing Thunder Storm and have greater damage (My TS @ L42 is doing 3067-3762 lightning damage, My Lightning damage @37K) waaaay better than stacked L30 holy shock with 500% addition from lightning mastery.

I think I can hit 40K LIGHTNING skill damage if I had a perfect grif with 5/5 lite and ormus robe with perfect lightning mods +3 lightning.

[xeyloderixed]

here are my thoughts:

(1) valor has a HUGE str req, and the mods arent even that great. ormus on the other hand, gives insane damage, and the all important fcr (more on this later). on being balanced, i dont think that should be the issue, as a well equipped light sork (with infinity i assume, seeing your other gear) should be able to kill everything quickly with lightning, so you dont need the other lightning spells that much. it is easy enough to teleport such that the monsters are aligned.

(2) facets are not bugged.

(3) cl/l have different bps than normal spells. iirc the fastest is 120, and you should really try to get that. i find anything less than that amount very slow for lightning. you left out your glove slot, so maybe get a magefist there for 125? alternatively, you can switch valor for an ormus, and wear frostburns.

[Uzziah]

1. No facets are not bugged. Only EDmg/+Max or +Min Jewels (together on one jewel) are bugged on armours/helms


slight alteration of this answer is the correct answer for what you are asking.

facets are not bugged, the EDmg and +min/max affixes on items are buggy and don't work as they intuitively should.

The difference is it not that they are on the same jewel but that they are on the same item. if you have 2 jewels one with ED and one with +max and you place them in the same item you will have the same problem.

[Verbatim]

Level 30 Holy [Shock] gives you 1-278 Lightning damage x 500% = 1-1390 lightning damage. That's almost useless damage against anybody who has max resists. For any type of item based aura to become effective, it must be used in sync with a paladin's corresponding aura, in this case, conviction that will really make the holy shock effective.

Are you talking about aura dmg?...it's not the aura dmg that matters for Holy Shock/Freeze/Fire...it's the melee dmg...though it sounds like your aura dmg is high enough it could almost hurt. If your Holy Shock sorceress isn't a Zealess, you really need to do a rebuild--get yourself a Passion phaze blade (Dol Ort Eld Lem), with it's +1 zeal, build yourself an enchantress (for the big % attack rating bonus--you'll also need some AR charms and/or a good Raven Frost to get a good hit rate), teleport around and whack away. Rumored to be one of the best builds in the game, even without a conviction aura merc. The fire dmg from enchant w/ maxed mastery and warmth is enough to hack your way through lit immunes without too much trouble.

I can't say what melee dmg is for lvl 40 HS, but my Tesladin, who is fairly stripped down ATM, does 1-3590 lit dmg (lvl 22 HS, +240% lit dmg from resist lightning), so level 40 +500% will be much higher. It's rumored that the +500% lit dmg gets applied twice for on-wep dmg (I think they tried to fix that, but broke lit facets instead, as the +% lit dmg applies to Holy Shock aura dmg, but not Holy Shock on-wep dmg...they're both called +% to lit dmg, so my guess is they nerfed the wrong one). If that's true...a 500% bonus means 6x base dmg, applying that twice means 36x damage, or +3500%. Compare that to my +240%, and consider that my 1-3590 is only from level 22 Holy Shock, and I'll think you can agree that the HS dmg must be much, much higher than 1-1390, considering I'm doing about 3x that with a much lower level and a much, much lower bonus.

Could you confirm or deny on the on-wep getting a doubled bonus, raffster? And about how much on-wep lit dmg are you doing? I've heard a lot of chatter about it, but, not being that rich, I've never been able to check it out myself.

[KillJoyBob]

Are you talking about aura dmg?...it's not the aura dmg that matters for Holy Shock/Freeze/Fire...it's the melee dmg...though it sounds like your aura dmg is high enough it could almost hurt. If your Holy Shock sorceress isn't a Zealess, you really need to do a rebuild--...

Verbatim is right on the money with his analysis. BTW, the lightning damage added to your weapon from a slvl 30 Holy Shock is 1-1536.

[Uzziah]

Verbatim is right on the money with his analysis. BTW, the lightning damage added to your weapon from a slvl 30 Holy Shock is 1-1536.

What are you smoking (it's quite hard to get that number for damage that would be 24 holyshock and 7 salvation or 2 resist lightning 1 salvation) and why do I end up going over the enchantress dream build over and over again?

Holy Shock
when active, aura causes pulses of electricity
to damage nearby enemies
adds lightning damage to your attack

Current Skill Level: 30
Radius: 23.3 yards
Lightning Damage: 1-1668 to your attack
Lightning Damage: 1-278

Holy Shock
when active, aura causes pulses of electricity
to damage nearby enemies
adds lightning damage to your attack

Holy Shock Receives Bonuses From:
Resist Lightning: +12% Lightning Damage per Level
Salvation: +4% Lightning Damage per Level

And it not a rumor a sorceress gains the mastery bonus twice once for the skill then once when she melees, you could have showed this with holy fire aura from HoJ before the new runewords.

So with 506% mastery which is slvl 39 lightning mastery you get the following.

1668*(1+5.06) = 10108 damage added to your attack from the skill.

10108*(1+5.06) = 61255 damage added to your melee attack from the second mastery addition.

Now in the case of facets their percentage is IIRC only added in once to the mastery which is upon the final add in. So they won't be as effective to boosting the total damage.

Edit: and PS the teacher assassin can deliver at most about 16,000 lightning damage per trap, sorceress deals far more than that.

[KillJoyBob]

What are you smoking (it's quite hard to get that number for damage that would be 24 holyshock and 7 salvation or 2 resist lightning 1 salvation) and why do I end up going over the enchantress dream build over and over again?

You are a pompous "you know what". Just correct my mistake if you see one, why do you feel the need to rag on people?

[HardyTarget]

(3) cl/l have different bps than normal spells. iirc the fastest is 120, and you should really try to get that. i find anything less than that amount very slow for lightning. you left out your glove slot, so maybe get a magefist there for 125? alternatively, you can switch valor for an ormus, and wear frostburns.

Yeah I forgot the gloves.
Still searching for 30ed ones for upgrading purposes :p

I'm aware that arkaine has a high str requirement but imo it has no useless mods either.
Ormus gives some nice bonuses but it doesn't add + to all skills, only to one skill and well, that kinda makes me want to leave it out.
Chainlightning kills many of those tiny bastards at once without me having to aim them separetely, lazy skill so to speak, my favourite, but it isn't very effective against bosses and there comes the lightning.
Ormus does not provide bonuses for both skills (except some %) so I'm only considering of using arkaine.

The stacked holy shock aura damage seems pretty low to me, I thought it was higher :D

Thanks for the more detailed answers :thumbsup:

[raffster]

Are you talking about aura dmg?
Could you confirm or deny on the on-wep getting a doubled bonus, raffster? And about how much on-wep lit dmg are you doing? I've heard a lot of chatter about it, but, not being that rich, I've never been able to check it out myself.

Hi Verbatim,
Yes I am actually talking about aura damage in reference to my Auradin's holy shock and holy fire aura (L30 each). My response was on a purely aura level, not weapon damage. I'm not sure if the original post was in reference to a melee sorc enchant build so I did not respond in line with that. I apologize for the lack of clarity.
However my auradin's zeal damage at L4 Zeal using HOJ is 11K!!! How it got that high is most likely from the computation you presented. So yes you are right about what you said on how the the auras augment weapon damage. But the auras alone (assuming the original poster was planning on building a lightning sorc and use the Holy Shock aura for additional killing damage), he is better off using a Monarch socketed with 4 x 5/5 lite facets and a perfect griffon's also with a 5/5 lite facet instead of a Dream Shield and Dream Helm. That's just my opinion and I could be wrong. But there's no way on earth I'm using a dream shield and dream helm for my PvP lighting sorc unless there is a compelling reason to do so.
I think very high damage TS will kill faster than any possible lightning aura combination stacked on a non-Paladin character.

[raffster]

What are you smoking (it's quite hard to get that number for damage that would be 24 holyshock and 7 salvation or 2 resist lightning 1 salvation) and why do I end up going over the enchantress dream build over and over again?

Holy Shock
when active, aura causes pulses of electricity
to damage nearby enemies
adds lightning damage to your attack



And it not a rumor a sorceress gains the mastery bonus twice once for the skill then once when she melees, you could have showed this with holy fire aura from HoJ before the new runewords.

So with 506% mastery which is slvl 39 lightning mastery you get the following.

1668*(1+5.06) = 10108 damage added to your attack from the skill.

10108*(1+5.06) = 61255 damage added to your melee attack from the second mastery addition.

Now in the case of facets their percentage is IIRC only added in once to the mastery which is upon the final add in. So they won't be as effective to boosting the total damage.

Edit: and PS the teacher assassin can deliver at most about 16,000 lightning damage per trap, sorceress deals far more than that.

I'm going to have to try and see if I get 10K more damage on my lightning sorc if I use dream helm and dream shield. This will be VERY interesting. (of course my helm and my shield right now already gives me 5K lightning damage, another 5K won't hurt at all)....