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bluedragoon
16-07-2005, 12:46
hi, i just wanted to know what's so special about that chest. I mean the chest behind him, usually like 3 chest or so with some blood lords around them. Evrybody tells me to pop those chests after killing mefisto, and i just cant see why. Are they any special or so ? They do drop a lot of stuff
Found Ber and Ist in three runs from the middle chest. It drops quite a lot of items at a high players setting, but the blood lords can be dangerous. However, if you kill them, they may drop a lot of interesting stuff.
Evrybody tells me to pop those chests after killing mefisto, and i just cant see why.
They do drop a lot of stuff
What he said ^^^
Oh, wait, looks like you answered your own question :scratch:
Seriously though, it takes at most a couple of seconds to go click the chest (unless there is a monster parked right in front of it). It's hardly worth saving ~3 seconds or so per run just to get more runs in (and more temp bannage).
especially when locked, that chest is nice ;)
It drops quite a big bunch of items...
Make sure you check weaponrack/armorstand and the two chests beside meph as well though. Ive found nice items and runes from those.
None from the center one though, but I check it anyway...
krischan
16-07-2005, 15:03
Special chests have a higher maximum of items they can drop and their chance for a no-drop event (which stops generation of further items IIRC) is lower as well. Unlike the golden chests, it seems to be affected by GF and perhaps MF. It also doesn't drop crap healing potions, like golden chests often do.
The best I ever found in that chest was a Pul rune while the best I found in a regular chest was Ist. However, I get far more items from regular chests than from Meph's, of course.
AFAIK a weapon/armor rack is just a chest with a guaranteed drop of a single weapon/armor.
Superhal
16-07-2005, 19:27
actually i always like to pop certain armor/wep racks. it seems that the chance for normal items is higher, so correspondingly the chance for superior normal items is higher.
Dad Daniel
16-07-2005, 23:06
Yeahh!
Finally thread about the CORNUCOPIA chest!!!
I like it so much - the item drop from it is awesome :lol: !
Once i took 7 (seven) rare items from it (in players 2 ). I have heard that in normal and nightmre dificulty sometimes you can get full low lvl set. In hell it is good source to find quallity rare items.
rekklesskiller
17-07-2005, 23:48
i've found lo ist and ohm out of that chest and numerous uniques, sets and lower runes
sangfagel
18-07-2005, 17:14
i've found lo ist and ohm out of that chest and numerous uniques, sets and lower runes
Found Ber and Ist in three runs from the middle chest.
Well... I am not sure what game do you guys play but we on this forum use to talk about Diablo... Donīt we?
Ok, to be serious, if I recoll this correctly TC of this chest is the same as for all chests in A3, i.e. 69 (A,B,C). Theoretically they should be able to drop Lo but not Ber (TC 72)
Anyway - this chest is speciall in exactly this way Krishan described before. To find an entire set is of course theoretically possible but EXTREMALLY unlike.
The rarest item drped for me from a weapon rack was Occulus (A1 Hell, Tower, lvl5)
Sangfagel... what the heck are you talking about? Not chest drops, it seems.
Act 1 chests drop up to Vex
Act 2 chests drop up to Lo
Act 3 chests drop up to Ber
Act 4 chests drop up to Cham
Act 5 chests drop any rune (or base item)
I don't think the middle chest can drop sets or uniques, I think it is one of those 5//95 rare//magic chests. However, I'm not entirely sure. Can't remember finding anything but rares, magics, or runes/gems/gold and such that can't be magic.
For the record, the rarest/best item I ever got from a rack, was Knell Striker and 49% War Travelers.
sangfagel
19-07-2005, 14:20
Sangfagel... what the heck are you talking about? Not chest drops, it seems.
...
I wrote "if I recoll this correctly" ;) and... I didnīt. After more carefull examination it shows to be:
Act 3 (H) Chest A Act 3 (H) Equip A 72
Act 3 (H) Chest B Act 3 (H) Equip B 75
Act 3 (H) Chest C Act 3 (H) Equip B 75
so Ber drop is possible. Sorry.
To avoid more "bull s***" and bring some more info about these chest drtops Iīll just quote a relevant bit from "Collected Works" of Thrugg:
The "superchests" are different. Note that they don't all sparkle. This is a bit of a legacy from D2 classic - in D2C the sparkly chests usually meant they were something to do with a quest, like the chest with the eye in it in the Spider Cave. However, non-quest-item sparkly chests (such as the one in Pit level 2) are all superchests, as are all sparkly chests in act 5. But there are many that don't sparkle at all - for example, there is sometimes an old house in the Blood Moor with a chest on the porch which drops lots of stuff (great for a new untwinked char). That is actually a superchest too, even though it doesn't sparkle. Most of the chests in Sewers level 2 are super also.
Superchests go through a more complicated drop sequence. They still drop from the appropriate Chest TC - so you can still predict how high they can drop - but the quality and number of items is handled differently. The superchest will pick a quality, rather like racks or gambles do, with no regard to the player's MF. I believe the numbers are about the same too, ie 1/1000 will be a "unique" drop. The game will then do a drop from the appropriate Chest TC but will try to make every item unique. Bear in mind though that lots of item types don't have unique versions - D2 always chooses type first then quality second - and in that case you will still get non-unique coming out. The chest is also bound by the normal rules of ilvl >= qlvl to drop a unique. Also, the Chest TCs still have no-drop chances, even at p8, and a unique version of nothing is still nothing. It is quite possible many of you have had a unique superchest drop and not realised because no actual uniques came out.
Once it has made its 4 drop attempts, it does do a check to see if it worked. If you don't get a unique the first time it feels sorry for you and tries again - more items, you still get whatever stuff came out in the first drop. If it fails the second time it tries to make up for it by giving you the grand explosion drop - and I'm sure most of you have seen those. It actually loops through the Chest TC over and over again trying to drop magic items like crazy (which usually succeeds, because most item types can be magic).
The same basic procedure applies to set and rare drops too. Sets fail even more often because not many item types have set versions at all. Rares usually succeed the first time though, so when it rolls up "rare" quality you normally get a few rare items and it's done.
note:
this quote is from a thread on Strategy Forum
http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=305474
Not available for now.
If you don't get a unique the first time it feels sorry for you <--- ROFL!!!
TheJarulf
19-07-2005, 18:24
Unlike the golden chests, it seems to be affected by GF and perhaps MF.
GF (I assume you mean Gold Find) always apply no matter what type of chest we have (or monster or any other source that drop randomly from a Treassure class (TC). The only exception is if the gold pile is the 6th item from a single TC and thus triggers the "max 6 items from a single TC drop" cap. This is due to an "Ooops!" by Blizzard in the coding.
Superhal
19-07-2005, 18:30
since this thread started, i re-equipped my meph runner and started popping that chest. :)
so far, 1 amn. yay.
bill_n_opus
21-07-2005, 10:33
Since many people run Meph ... why not just pop that chest? Only takes a few secs even when there are two Blood Lord packs. Run in, pop, quickly check for drops and either start killing or get the heck out.
I haven't picked up any memorable runes from there but I always pop it for gems/tp scrolls/etc.
Superhal
21-07-2005, 11:04
i use a rising sun so they heal me up after killing meph.
Myrakh-2
21-07-2005, 11:16
Since many people run Meph ... why not just pop that chest? Only takes a few secs even when there are two Blood Lord packs.
I always open ALL the chests down there, which obviously includes the one behind Mephisto :-) Durance-3 is a pretty good map, actually --- besides Mephisto you get a good number of chests, some bosses, and a good chance for even more bosses. And all this in a fixed layout, so I know where to look even though I don't use map****.
sangfagel
25-07-2005, 10:12
Since many people run Meph ... why not just pop that chest? Only takes a few secs even when there are two Blood Lord packs. Run in, pop, quickly check for drops and either start killing or get the heck out.
I gess many people pop these chests by ocassion, killing Meph.
If you mean to make chests runs INSTEAD for Meph runs (???) there would be several reasons to donīt do it.
1. Meph runs (even WITH Meph) takes so short time that you must do something more to not trigger realm down. Chest-only runs would take even shorter time - this does not make any sense.
2. All these chests has lower max tc tan Meph (and Meph has lower max tc than monsers around him), so - everything around chests can drop what chests can and more. For most people killing things on this map takes not much more effort than popping chests.
3. Meph has bigger than chests chance to drop higher quality (sets, uniques)
4. superchestīs drops are not affected by +mf.
krischan
25-07-2005, 10:23
2. All these chests has lower max tc tan Meph (and Meph has lower max tc than monsers around him), so - everything around chests can drop what chests can and more. For most people killing things on this map takes not much more effort than popping chests.
AFAIK the chests in durance 3 (L83 area) can drop up to TC81, although I can't check that right now. They can drop Tal's armor, for example. However, Meph is far better in all other respects (max TC 78, L87).
The monsters in durance 3 are L83 and they can drop from any TC. The bosses (including the Council bosses) are L86, so they can drop any unique and set item except Tyrael's Might, Arachnid Mesh and Azurewrath. That means the only unique you can't find there is Tyrael's. Anyway, Meph is so much more rewarding that most players don't care about the other monsters, even though they are quite good droppers. Dual element sorcs can kill all of them with little problems.
rekklesskiller
25-07-2005, 15:50
i didn't mean i had found whole sets i meant i have found numerous different set items though for some of the lower level sets like isenhearts i probably haev, have hit that chest minimum 10k times
Dual element sorcs can kill all of them with little problems.
Not really true! Blizz sorc that has a merc using infinity can kill everything!
This on ladder! Ofc you can run into a boss that is cold and PI too... :p
/Dec
thegiantturtle
25-07-2005, 17:53
Dual element sorcs can kill all of them with little problems.
Not really true! Blizz sorc that has a merc using infinity can kill everything!
This on ladder! Ofc you can run into a boss that is cold and PI too... :p
Dec, krischan didn't in the least imply that a blizz sorc with infinity couldn't kill everything! All that was mentioned was one specific, relatively cheap character could do most of the killing! The only thing that's "Not really true!" is your statement that a "Blizz sorc that has a merc using infinity can kill everything!" You even gave one example where that is not true!
Apparently my keyboard does not have a period key! WTF is up with that!
AFAIK the chests in durance 3 (L83 area) can drop up to TC81, although I can't check that right now. They can drop Tal's armor, for example. However, Meph is far better in all other respects (max TC 78, L87).
You may be getting this confused with the racks. Racks do not use the TC system, they just choose from appropriate rack-legal items with qlvl < area level (note, strict less than). Meph's armour rack can (just) drop Tal's armour because Lacquered Plate is qlvl 82 < area level 83.
Chests in Durance 3 will drop from Act 3 (H) Chest C which only allows act 3 (H) Equip B items which go up to TC75. Chests do not get a TC upgrade due to level, unlike mobile monsters.
The only thing that's "Not really true!" is your statement that a "Blizz sorc that has a merc using infinity can kill everything!" You even gave one example where that is not true!
But there are not so many bosses that spawn as cold and PI! So you can kill up 95% of the monsters! Use a lower resist wand with charges + conviction from infinity! That should do the trick!
/Dec
krischan
26-07-2005, 12:06
You may be getting this confused with the racks.
That's right :rolleyes:
But there are not so many bosses that spawn as cold and PI! So you can kill up 95% of the monsters! Use a lower resist wand with charges + conviction from infinity! That should do the trick!
There are only a few base monster types whose Cold Immunity is broken by Infinity. Uniques are usually a lot more resistant, so you could kill about 70 - 80% of all monsters in hell with a pure Blizzard sorc.
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