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derderderderderk
11-07-2005, 09:32
hey guys, i need some advices against a friend's assassin trapper (lightning)...the traps are very deadly and even with my maxed res, i can barely take 2 hits...and i'm kind of new in PVM...so i'm not sure what to do against him (neither of us have any runewords so enigma, etc. is out of the subject =) ) any advices for me =)? sorry if this was already posted before
Herald of Doom
11-07-2005, 11:36
We need to know your character first. Usually all it takes to beat a trapper is a tgod and enough resist to get that 85% light resist.
HoD
bluedragoon
11-07-2005, 12:31
if u can only take 2 hits with ur life, u probably dont have much life
if ur a mele character use tgods, if ur a caster use tgods, and or if u can afford it, wisp protector or and guardian angel
absorb is usually looked down on
the best thing to do is use a 4xLO shield
sheepe2004
12-07-2005, 11:24
absorb is usually looked down on
the best thing to do is use a 4xLO shield
If he cant afford enigma how the hell would he have a 4 Lo shield :rolleyes:
Herald of Doom
12-07-2005, 13:07
absorb is usually looked down on
the best thing to do is use a 4xLO shield
One piece of absorb shouldn't bother anyone. If people can't cope with one piece of absorb and start nagging about it, they get squelched ^_^
HoD
Arctickhan
12-07-2005, 15:32
-Tgods and some Lo runes for max the resist wat is your subclass also?
hey guys, i need some advices...
4 socket shield wiyh 4 pefrect topazes will work. I mean this is very cheap, everyone can afford it.
Use wisp projector if you can get one. Even better: use 2 of them + Tgods + 11%LR scs.
Not nice? C'mon... Who cares? It works. When i played against my friend's trap assa my setup was even worse ;)
I had a poison amazon, and he (my friend!!!!!) said i should not use absorb because its not fair. Later that day after a couple of pints he mentioned that he was drinking antidote potions during our fight, and asking me not to use light absorb in the same time. And he is a FRIEND of mine. Lol... So thats why i personally just dont give a flying f... about people's complaints any more.
calibansfury
14-07-2005, 03:10
absorb is usually looked down on
the best thing to do is use a 4xLO shield
No one other than a noobish and weepy sin is going to cry about Tgods (the timeless classic "cry? cry more plz" is always a great response to "you're sorbing!"--use it often). If you go with tgods and wisps, that's fine for bad mannered chumps (as many sins and arrogant light sorcs are) who you want to drive out of the room, but generally one piece of absorb shouldn't give anyone too much heartache.
Also, carrying excessive gear like an anti-light shield is unnecessary for just dealing with annoying light sorcs and trapesins.
If you're dying that fast, first, check your resists. Between your natural resist level, your tgods and highlords you should be at 85 light resist, or close to it. If that doesn't get you there (I think I get to 79 with that setup), try to get some 10%fcr rings with light resists on them. You need the fcr anyway to pop around fast enough to avoid getting shocked, or to tele away between shocks. A third alternative would be some boots with frw and light resist (and preferably fire for fire sorcs if you're having trouble with resists). Just a 2x2 item to keep in the trunk, and will come in handy vs javas too. What gear are you using, and what's your resists at with your gear on?
Second, if your resists are at 85 and you're still having problems (probably vs light sorcs with facets, so you need to compensate with stacking resists), then you need to check your vita. My barb takes seemingly dozens of blasts from high level, high speed sins, so your vitality may be too low to really be a dangerous bvc barb. How much vita do you have after BO?
Third, your fhr may be low, so try to get it to the 48%bp through items and charms. It doesn't do any good have high resist and high life if you're going to just stand in a crossfire of lightning due to hit recovery.
Fourth--tactics, man, tactics. Your footspeed, from either items, charms, enigma, increased speed or all of the above should help you greatly here. Don't charge into a U shape array of lightning traps, that's the idiot's way to attack. The light only shoots so fast, and if you're moving in a circular motion, the blasts will be hitting the dirt your heels are kicking up. Chase the sin out from hiding behind his traps, tele, ww (short, dont give him time to drop more traps because you were dumb enough to namelock him), leap, tele and ww again. Or, tele close to make him bolt, then switch to widowmaker to pelt him, or dual dooms for slow, then tele and kill.
Good luck!
calibansfury
uswest ladder
no2fakeshakes
14-07-2005, 03:50
absorb is usually looked down on
the best thing to do is use a 4xLO shield
stupid "clan rules"
95% lightning resist negates more lightning dmg than a single tgod
soul-eater
14-07-2005, 04:02
Use Gaurdian Angel And Thunder God That,ll Put Ur Res Up To 95 Which Is What I Use And Trappers Dont Bother Me.
Hope It Helps
If you're really only duelling against a trapper, i'd suggest the following:
1) Guardian (since you've said Engima's out) (Umed)
2) Blackhorn (Umed)
3) T-Gods
4) Good resist shield
5) Rings/ammy/boots/gloves with lite res
6) Lite res scs (or gcs if low budget)
and you'll laugh in the trapper's face. This is prolly the lowest budget stuff you can ever get in duelling trappers. If he has lite jewels or something that lowers ur res, calculate it and top it off. You should be almost immune after that.
absorb is usually looked down on
this is one thing i dont understand. Everyone is fine if someone is using a ber-ber Coa, a bered SS, 15 dr dungos, and anything else they can put on for damage reduction, but if you have too much absorb "its frowned upon". Tell me what the point of PvP is if you cant use everything at your disposal because "its frowned upon". Im not flaming you shadovv, so dont take it like that. I see this from a lot of people in the realms. It just puzzles me is all.
no2fakeshakes
14-07-2005, 08:08
this is one thing i dont understand. Everyone is fine if someone is using a ber-ber Coa, a bered SS, 15 dr dungos, and anything else they can put on for damage reduction, but if you have too much absorb "its frowned upon". Tell me what the point of PvP is if you cant use everything at your disposal because "its frowned upon". Im not flaming you shadovv, so dont take it like that. I see this from a lot of people in the realms. It just puzzles me is all.
moderate absorb is ok, but when max absorb heals another, whats the fun in dueling when you are god against another character? but then again, some ppl only care about winning...
Guess what, decent trappers can still hurt you with maxed MB if your DR is lacking or use a maxed fireblast on u.
calibansfury
15-07-2005, 23:41
this is one thing i dont understand. Everyone is fine if someone is using a ber-ber Coa, a bered SS, 15 dr dungos, and anything else they can put on for damage reduction, but if you have too much absorb "its frowned upon". Tell me what the point of PvP is if you cant use everything at your disposal because "its frowned upon". Im not flaming you shadovv, so dont take it like that. I see this from a lot of people in the realms. It just puzzles me is all.
Totally fair question. I think its hilarious that bliz sorcs who can take you from max resists to -100 will complain about ravens, or fire sorcs who socket everything they can with facets complain about sorb, or fohers, auradins, etc who can reduce your ability to resist their attack (almost all of which require no skill, no aiming). You'll get called noob, sorbing _____, anything and everything, but what they're really complaining about is your ability to negate their characters dominance. Sure, sorcs can tele seemingly indefinitely, sins can run like the wind in circles around their traps, and both have area effect weapons capable of thousands of points of damage and can ruin your resists, but like ICE said, a good blizz sorc can still crush you despite max cold resist and two ravens, a good fire sorc will still kill you with two dwarfs, and a good trapper can still fry you with wisps on. Yes, it takes longer, and maybe that's upsetting to them, but if you're taking damage, then its fair enough. Unless they're so weak you actually heal--well,in that case you dont need sorb anyway.
My rule, no sorb but tgods (just all around handy belt), unless I'm vs more than one sorc, then all bets are off if they're teaming. People dont cry too much over just one piece, like I said. But, like using clegs or knockback on a zon, using heavy poison when bvb, using iron maiden vs a barb when your'e a necro (gg, you just stalemated the duel, he now lives by running constantly and not attacking, and you never get close enough to hurt him with spears/spirits)---all of these things are just generally considered bad manners. But, as blob said, there's no rules in pubbys, so if you can take their complaining (squelch is handy here), then use whatever you want. I also think that if the equipment is in the game, it's fair to use it, and let everyone else deal with it. People are still complaining about barbs with enigma for cryin out loud, dont expect for people to stop crying....
no2fakeshakes
16-07-2005, 00:06
this is one thing i dont understand. Everyone is fine if someone is using a ber-ber Coa, a bered SS, 15 dr dungos, and anything else they can put on for damage reduction, but if you have too much absorb "its frowned upon". Tell me what the point of PvP is if you cant use everything at your disposal because "its frowned upon". Im not flaming you shadovv, so dont take it like that. I see this from a lot of people in the realms. It just puzzles me is all.
you can still die if u have 50% dr, compared to absorb which can heal if if you have "too" much absorb. now tell me, whats the point of dueling then? this probably explains why more and more people make hammerdins and bone necros..
Use items with mods that increase the max lit res...and absorb.
Thundergods are godly vs. lit trappers...
And if Im not completely wrong, Whisp Projector got absorb as well, with enough the trapper ends up healing you...
Logan
no2fakeshakes
16-07-2005, 02:13
Use items with mods that increase the max lit res...and absorb.
Thundergods are godly vs. lit trappers...
And if Im not completely wrong, Whisp Projector got absorb as well, with enough the trapper ends up healing you...
Logan
because people with this idea of nothing but winning more ppl make unabsorbable chars to deal with his massive absorb nonsense
calibansfury
16-07-2005, 23:21
Use items with mods that increase the max lit res...and absorb.
Thundergods are godly vs. lit trappers...
And if Im not completely wrong, Whisp Projector got absorb as well, with enough the trapper ends up healing you...
Logan
I believe sorb is capped actually at 40%, and I'd like to see the math on how a 40K damage light sorc can heal you regardless of what you're wearing.
Trapesins are rarely hard for a good bvc. Check the guides and see how your barb matches up. Somethings missing.
sheepe2004
17-07-2005, 11:38
I believe sorb is capped actually at 40%, and I'd like to see the math on how a 40K damage light sorc can heal you regardless of what you're wearing.
Trapesins are rarely hard for a good bvc. Check the guides and see how your barb matches up. Somethings missing.
40k dmg
pvp penalty = 6 2/3 k
95% resist = 1/3 k
40% absorb (80% less dmg) = 67 damage
20 + 20 straight absorb = -13 damage on a perfect hit
easily attained with tgods, 2 wisps, blackhorns face and guardian angel.
You could take off some of that since most hits will only do ~20k damage. Trappers are even easier since they do around 12k at most.
all trappers suck when u just put on tgod, then u just have to watch for the mindblast.
calibansfury
18-07-2005, 20:43
40k dmg
pvp penalty = 6 2/3 k
95% resist = 1/3 k
40% absorb (80% less dmg) = 67 damage
20 + 20 straight absorb = -13 damage on a perfect hit
easily attained with tgods, 2 wisps, blackhorns face and guardian angel.
You could take off some of that since most hits will only do ~20k damage. Trappers are even easier since they do around 12k at most.
What's 6 2/3K? I thought pvp penalty was 10%
Where does the 20+20 straight absorb come from? Tgods and...
So with enigma, tgods and 85% light resists (assuming facets dont bring you below this, and this is a more common setup for bvc, since wisps are pricey and g-angel is a medium armor I think, so you lose teleport and a lot of foot speed to run down a quick sin), what kind of damage would an individual be taking?
What's 6 2/3K? I thought pvp penalty was 10%
Where does the 20+20 straight absorb come from? Tgods and...
So with enigma, tgods and 85% light resists (assuming facets dont bring you below this, and this is a more common setup for bvc, since wisps are pricey and g-angel is a medium armor I think, so you lose teleport and a lot of foot speed to run down a quick sin), what kind of damage would an individual be taking?
pvp penalty is 17%, so 1/6.
if u have 3000 dmg, u will deal 510 to another player.
calibansfury
19-07-2005, 01:44
pvp penalty is 17%, so 1/6.
if u have 3000 dmg, u will deal 510 to another player.
Ok, so with no absorb other than tgods it's:
40K light damage*.17=6800 damage
6800 damage vs 85% resists=1020 damage
no wisps
20 straight absorb from tgods (apparently doubles the amount?)=980 damage taken from a perfect hit. At 20K average you're looking at roughly 490 pts damage per blast.
With wisps, vs max blast: 1020 *80% reduction = 204 damage
with tgods absorb = 124 damage?
If this were the case, that means if I were a barb with 5500 life I could take 44 perfect 40K blasts from a light sorc before I die. 44?!?! That just doesn't sound right to me. Does it to any of you? Because if this is true, I'm getting some wisps! But I'm thinking that doubling the absorb to reduce damage may not be correct, but then, I'm not known for my exceptional mathematical ability, or Rainman like memorization of the stats tables for each item's attributes. I can see how vs a trapesin, if the above were true, you could utterly negate anything they could do to you. And that sounds like fun if they're bm'in tg'in chumps....
Any clarity on this sorb issue would be greatly appreciated--
calibansfury
uswest ladder
yes, with tgod + wisp the sorc cant even hurt u.
absorb is capped at 40%, which is already enough to negate all elemental attacks with max res.
As i say before, all sorcs are ez when u stack resist + absorb.
yes, with tgod + wisp the sorc cant even hurt u.
absorb is capped at 40%, which is already enough to negate all elemental attacks with max res.
As i say before, all sorcs are ez when u stack resist + absorb.
that is why absorb is wrong
how can u complain that dr% is bad? its capped at 50%, the most u can do is halve ur opponents dmg. absorb can not only destroy all dmg, but make it heal you
that is why absorb is wrong
how can u complain that dr% is bad? its capped at 50%, the most u can do is halve ur opponents dmg. absorb can not only destroy all dmg, but make it heal you
It's wrong when against ur friends where manner takes place. In pubs? who cares.
Speederländer
20-07-2005, 06:55
It's wrong when against ur friends where manner takes place. In pubs? who cares.
Question:
If you had found a glitch that allowed you to always kill everyone and never die yourself, would you use it for your duels? Would you consider it good fun to go through game after game winning every last duel without trying, no matter how skilled your opponents?
Question:
If you had found a glitch that allowed you to always kill everyone and never die yourself, would you use it for your duels? Would you consider it good fun to go through game after game winning every last duel without trying, no matter how skilled your opponents?
That's what im saying. Against a good one, (ppl that are nice and manner) I wont be mean as hell. But since most ppl in pubs are jerks, i just do this to freak them out. I met a good one once in a while and i give them my manner to play with for real. Otherwise, no no.
Beside in pubs, they call it "pk," so literally is not a "duel"
Speederländer
20-07-2005, 08:17
That's what im saying. Against a good one, (ppl that are nice and manner) I wont be mean as hell. But since most ppl in pubs are jerks, i just do this to freak them out. I met a good one once in a while and i give them my manner to play with for real. Otherwise, no no.
I don't know. Most of the people I meet in pubs are ok. There are jerks but the reasonable people outnumber them by quite a lot. Usually, if there's a disagreement, all you have to do is talk to the person involved in a friendly manner. I kind of get the feeling you don't give anyone much of a chance to be nice in the first place though.
Beside in pubs, they call it "pk," so literally is not a "duel"
Who are "they"?
Who are "they"?
ppl makes game call pk, not duel. Like pk19 or pk101, there are few times ive seen "manner duel" or "friendly duel" games.
Well, most ppl just make a game like "i own u all noob" or "come pk noob." So i assume the maker is a jerk and when i get in, seriously, he cried so much when i beat him. And trust me, ive seen alot of games like this.
Im not saying all ppl in pubs are bad, but some of them are just really piss u off. (nk all over the place and cry too much)
pk and duel are two different types of game. pk = player killer, where no manner takes place. u beat with everything u can throw at them, just to "kill" other players.
Speederländer
20-07-2005, 09:40
ppl makes game call pk, not duel. Like pk19 or pk101, there are few times ive seen "manner duel" or "friendly duel" games.
Well, most ppl just make a game like "i own u all noob" or "come pk noob." So i assume the maker is a jerk and when i get in, seriously, he cried so much when i beat him. And trust me, ive seen alot of games like this.
Im not saying all ppl in pubs are bad, but some of them are just really piss u off. (nk all over the place and cry too much)
pk and duel are two different types of game. pk = player killer, where no manner takes place. u beat with everything u can throw at them, just to "kill" other players.
95% of bnet doesn't differentiate between the words "duel" and "pk". I can go in a game called "ladder pk" or a game called "ladder duel" (or the non-ladder equivalents) and duel people who are equally ok. I see no greater number of jerks in a pk game than I do in a duel game.
calibansfury
20-07-2005, 22:01
you can still die if u have 50% dr, compared to absorb which can heal if if you have "too" much absorb.
Additionally, there isn't a skill that "reduces enemies physical damage resistance by 150%". Foh anyone?
lol Grief on my mld smiter ~_~. WHAT CAN STAND BEFORE THE FURY LOL.
lol Grief on my mld smiter ~_~. WHAT CAN STAND BEFORE THE FURY LOL.
the rabies and the ow will kill u. :D
calibansfury
22-07-2005, 21:32
lol Grief on my mld smiter ~_~. WHAT CAN STAND BEFORE THE FURY LOL.
And by fury you mean me? Raaaaaaaagh! I'm a killing machine!
calibansfury
uswest ladder
Druss the Legend
25-07-2005, 09:21
yo dude, just build a auradin with hoj, dragon, dragon, maras, and etc. I have NEVER lost to a trapper yet, and believe me i have fought some of the best. dont believe me trappers? come find me *madmankevinx
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