Some info about Dark Myth

[Visionaire]

I received Dark Myth's email, where he explained several dubious things about him. Not sure Krem will let him back, but it might save Dark Myth's reputation.

He banned me... He lied to the entire trading community... He said that I offered someone High end runes in a PM, when I was only responding to a PM that questioned me on what runes I had. As for the second reason he banned me- The crafted items that I have are completely legit, he said that the ilvls weren't possible... How is ilvl 93-97 impossible for a crafted amulet coming from a high lvl char? This whole incedent is bull****. I ask one thing of you. Please relay this message to the rest of the members. If you don't, that's fine, but they should know.

Some things: as for crafted ammys - I posted in 2 threads (salvo's and maxgerin's): best way to get 90+ ilvl ammy is to 'buy' it for 63k on gamble. It would have from -4 to +5 from your level. All level requirements are norm (when I crafted ammys I saw many suffixes/preffixes and know what levels shold be).

As for runes - Kremtok/AE, could you please contact those who send you this 'offering about high runes'. We'll see who is right. Probably DM just answered someone's PM and this guy (or may be Krem) considered it as rune offer.


Then some words from me.
I think that the main DM's mistake was that he came with his own system of values (SoV). When I came I had same trouble - as I understand now, in my first trades I gave HoZ and Wisp Projector pretty cheap, according to our forum's usual values. But I don't feel sorrow - for me it was normal. I'm not a merchant, I am a player (or it might be better to say 'gambler' :) ).

Most items DM looked for are pretty specific, like more-MF-then-Nagelrings rings or good charms. He have enough EQ to pay for it and he don't know, how expensive are some items. For him it might be 'high-level-rare-crap', but for others same item is 'high-level-very-rare-high-grail-item'.

As for me - I am not a grailer too. I easily lost a lot of items (probably I wouldn't restore some of them) for LeorictheDark's Mang's Song. Why? Because I wanted to use it on cold sorc. And items I lost were mostly exactly high level crap, like Griswold's set and some others. Yeah, there were some items I didn't want to miss, like Boneflame, Steelrend and Nat's Claw, but I understand that this staff costs a lot. And I decided that dream might be payed a lot.

That is simple example from my own practice. Most of guys here are grailers. I respect them and their interests. But I have absolutely another SoV. Some of my high trades are a compromises between forum's SoV and my own SoV. Heh, I may even tell you fun story - when we speaked with Taburet (I know him iRL) about my Trade for Mang's Song he called me crazy and said that this staff doesn't cost even full Griswold. That's just example of attitude of complete non-grailer. :)


Okay, guys, I finish. I think I wouldn't post in this thread - I posted DM's email as he asked and I added some words about my attitude to his situation. As for me - I don't know if he is guilt or not - I hope he is not. Of course I respect Kremtok's mind. But probably he'd try to examine this situation once again.

2Kremtok/AE: Please, close this thread if you want. As for me I told why I started it - because I was asked and I wanted to clear some arguments of DM's banning, like situation with crafts.

2Others: Guys, please don't flame here. Say If you HAVE what to say.

As for me - I said everything I wanted. Now it's up to Krem's decision. :)

Visionaire

[necrolemming]

For everyone's information, I was the one who asked him about HRs and r00nwords, and I can confirm that it was not sent with the intention of trading.

Now the gambled ammys are a problem.

Craft ilvls are equal to rounddown(clvl/2) + rounddown(ilvl/2), IIRC.

With his highest lvl char of 93, he would need an ilvl 102 ammy to craft an ilvl 97 ammy.

[maxgerin]

With his highest lvl char of 93, he would need an ilvl 102 ammy to craft an ilvl 97 ammy.

This point alone clearly shows he (Dark Myth) was lying (edit: one way or the other, but basically lying).

Please, let us not be blinded by shimmering gold and green items. Personally, I don't care if someone uses hacks or dupes: their life, their deal. But this is a trading community where members (hopefully all, or at least most) value the legit-ness of their items. If anyone wants to use hacks or dupes, please do so by all means. Fill your character to the brim with these items for all I care. Just DO NOT TRADE or MP or INTERACT WITH OTHERS more than the usual posting.

How hard is it to do that?

EDIT: To anyone and everyone, anything beyond the first line of my reply is not directed to D_M per se, just a general voicing of concern to the worsening case of the SPTF. It seems like members are becoming more and more tolerant and undiscerning... Oh well, I guess I'm indeed getting "old" and my mentality is still stuck with the good 'ol strict legitness stance of the older SPF. :o

--maxgerin

[Kremtok]

Let's start with you, Visionaire: +1 to bad form. Posting this thread is the wrong way to address this problem. As I stated in his closed thread, it was my decision to ban Dark Myth, and therefore you should have contacted me directly to challenge my decision. You have four methods at your disposal -- Private Message, AOL Instant Messenger, MSN Messenger, and e-mail. Should this ever come up again, find a better way to handle it than making a thread in the trading forum. Note that, as an off-topic thread, this is a violation of the SPTF Rules, and you could be banned -- not that you will be, because this seems an honest and relatively harmless mistake.

necrolemming: I apologize if I appeared to have misrepresented you in any way by posting the PM that you forwarded to me. Appearantly, I misinterpreted it as a trade offer from Dark Myth. As it was, I made an honest mistake, and I ask your forgiveness.

Everyone else: Dark Myth will not be allowed to return to these forums, and for future reference, only Elly, the site administrator, can remove a permanent ban. As I stated in my previous post in his trade thread, he tricked us and I cannot prove it. That is why I waited to act until I had more than one thing to go on; in this case, it was the dodgy amulets and what I thought was an attempt to trade runes. Each of these points in and of itself is reason enough for a permanent ban from these forums. As you can see very clearly now, it is a good thing that I waited to act until I had more to go on. Take this as a sign that I know what I'm doing and that you can trust me to do it well.

[Dave in the basement]

What does SoV stand for?

[maxgerin]

What does SoV stand for?

system of values (SoV) ;)

--maxgerin

[Randall]

Craft ilvls are equal to rounddown(clvl/2) + rounddown(ilvl/2), IIRC.

It is according to the AS:

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/crafteditems.shtml

"The ilvl of a Crafted Item is equal to half the level of the crafting character (rounded down) plus half the ilvl of the input item (rounded down). Put another way: ilvl = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * ilvl)"

Randall

[San]

It is according to the AS:

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/crafteditems.shtml

"The ilvl of a Crafted Item is equal to half the level of the crafting character (rounded down) plus half the ilvl of the input item (rounded down). Put another way: ilvl = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * ilvl)"

Randall
That's excactly the same thing, except it ain't divided, but multiplied :lol:

[maxgerin]

That's excactly the same thing, except it ain't divided, but multiplied :lol:

San, I don't think Randall was correcting lemming.
He was rather affirming lemming's "IIRC".

--maxgerin

[Visionaire]

Let's start with you, Visionaire: +1 to bad form. Posting this thread is the wrong way to address this problem. As I stated in his closed thread, it was my decision to ban Dark Myth, and therefore you should have contacted me directly to challenge my decision. You have four methods at your disposal -- Private Message, AOL Instant Messenger, MSN Messenger, and e-mail. Should this ever come up again, find a better way to handle it than making a thread in the trading forum. Note that, as an off-topic thread, this is a violation of the SPTF Rules, and you could be banned -- not that you will be, because this seems an honest and relatively harmless mistake.


Yeah, I know that I might contact you. I wanted to do so, but in this case there were several things that might be explained by other members. Big thanks to necrolemming - he explained a lot: about runes and about craft.

Thanks to other comunity - everyone noticed my request 'not to flame' and tell only valuable notes and ideas. So as you see - it is not flame war.

According to SPF rules - I might be wrong, yeah, but I'm sure I explained my point - why I started thread. Anyway, thanks for help and additional explanations! :thumbsup:

Visionaire

P.S.
Everyone else: Dark Myth will not be allowed to return to these forums, and for future reference, only Elly, the site administrator, can remove a permanent ban. As I stated in my previous post in his trade thread, he tricked us and I cannot prove it. That is why I waited to act until I had more than one thing to go on; in this case, it was the dodgy amulets and what I thought was an attempt to trade runes. Each of these points in and of itself is reason enough for a permanent ban from these forums. As you can see very clearly now, it is a good thing that I waited to act until I had more to go on. Take this as a sign that I know what I'm doing and that you can trust me to do it well.

As I told - I was almost sure you wouldn't allow him to return. As I wrote in my first post - main idea was probably to save his reputation if he is not guilt. Anyway thanks. :)

P.P.S. I think thread might be closed. Thanks Krem, thanks guys. :)

Visionaire

[Dave in the basement]

system of values (SoV) ;)

--maxgerin

Thank you! I would have never made that connection on my own, lol.

Dave :teeth:

[Dodgydave]

I'd also like to say that Dark Myth may have came with his own SoV's as you called it but he also bought a very strange way of trading. He had his trade list where he offered some nice items for trade but then he'd also come along and offer other items for trade which were nowhere to be found in his trade list. Doesn't it seem strange he makes no mention of having a Stormlash or CoA's for trade untill they are asked for in another trade thread. Then it's suddenly "oh yeah I've got this Stormlash to trade and a couple of Crowns of Ages too". Rather a coincidence these turned up as sson as they were asked for?

Also what's up with asking for "really godly mf gear" what is he a 6 year old? That's not an ISO and it bearly makes sense! If you've found a quarter of the items he had it would be fair to assume he had some fair to decent MF gear already! Plus you'd assume he was familiar with trading practices - you don't ask for something as random as that.

Also with the crafted amulets as well as the ilvl's being impossible why were they pretty much all 97? You'd expect there to be a range of ilvls between 91 and 95 depending on the original amulet ilvl. Not all exactly the same. (Oh yeah and immpossible too.)

One way or the other he was lying about one or many things. So out the door he goes.

And these concerns should definitely be addressed to Krem not the board at large because I don't see how this will possiblely help Dark Myth. It'll just provide a place to post all the dirt on him.