what is the best level 9 dueler?

[sequoia]

sorry if this is a repeat thread but i couldn't find anything in search, so i was just curious - what in your opinion are some of the top level 9 duelers and why?

[Herald of Doom]

Godly lvl 9 jabzon. Gl making one though. Builds that work: sacadin, TS sin mostly.

HoD

[Omikron8]

Ask in the hardcore forum, you'll get way more answers there

[Jerkazoid]

totally depends.. sc or hc.. pk "hunting" or duels

as for duelers on SC:*
the 9 smiters wins most
jabbers not too bad but very expensive
the 9 sac/amp necro



on hc thats totally different..
ur not beating anything with a crushing/OW 900def smiter vs rejuvs,,
so for HC ask the hc forum.


*reasons:

a bone armor vlld 9 necro with +3bone armor on head/wand buffing along with amp and lvl 12 sacrifice charged war scpeter with good jeweling should deal out about 600-800 each hit (after amp).. add to that the 160(pvp) dmg absorb and clay golem slow... it works well. especially when u run from TS charges, and can recast that armor

smiters.
900 def/600 life and 100%cth with crushing +ow? only some uniteruptible char stands a chance.. or ones with atleast 6DR and plenty of replensih.. even then a 9smiter can have a lvl12 sac charged scepter (or +element dmg) on switch incase u try to negate the dmg. (banned from LLD101 tourney atm bc they won too much)

jabbers.. plenty of dodge and fantastic inner sight.. they can negate defence builds and chizzle ur life away while they dodge ur hits.. very expensive to make good (need good dtm/mana and spear/armor with great jewels) but worth it.

[AzaZaz]

you get the same effect from a lvl 9 asn Kicker as you do a crushing blow Smiter.


I think the TS asn is a good suggestion for lvl 9, a charger can work, throw barb, double swing barb/bash works as well.

[Generator Of Chaos]

you get the same effect from a lvl 9 asn Kicker as you do a crushing blow Smiter.


I think the TS asn is a good suggestion for lvl 9, a charger can work, throw barb, double swing barb/bash works as well.


barbs are pretty much eaten alive in lld..:\.. they're very good on hld, but suck at lld...at least in my experience, they're allways the one's "bulied"..

lvl9 - godly sacadin + blessed aim. <- very very good at vlld.

[Jerkazoid]

you get the same effect from a lvl 9 asn Kicker as you do a crushing blow Smiter.

this is untrue.

the kicker has NO defence aura.
the kicker has an AR dependant attack wich is blockable.
kick has an amazing mana expence.

charger is lvl 12..... so is Double throw barb
double swing no block? = dead


lvl9 - godly sacadin + blessed aim. <- very very good at vlld.
blessed aim is lvl 12.
my vlld kicker takes Chewie's sacer just fine,,, neither of us are some weakling.

[Raith]

we are talking about level 9s.....

well.

lets see...

lvl 9 relies on max.....

ts sin.
jabzon.

cant really see sacradin, hard to find LL rings.

[Jerkazoid]

leech is useless.....only life tap works now

[Omikron8]

we are talking about level 9s.....

well.

lets see...

lvl 9 relies on max.....

ts sin.
jabzon.

cant really see sacradin, hard to find LL rings.

That's why low level dueling is just a test of who can chug potions faster. Leech is irrelevant so a high damage level 9 sacadin is very viable if you find some nice 3 socket 60% damage shield.

[Perium]

leap to stun plus bash with an old bonecrusher on a level 9, they can't move and you get plenty of damage

[Jerkazoid]

That's why low level dueling is just a test of who can chug
im offended by this myopic statement towards vlld

u can drink all the sweet lovely rejuvs at lvl 9-99 if u want. or hit esc.

leap to stun plus bash with an old bonecrusher on a level 9, they can't move and you get plenty of damage
this build has a mana issue that needs working out

[AzaZaz]

double swing = dead?


no


we're talking lvl 9's here, we're not talking explosive dmg. the lack of shield will not impact you as greatly as you'd want to believe. I'm not saying its the best, i'm just saying its viable. strap on two khalims and you've got wicked fast swing.

jav/shield works for lvl 9 as well. Not just for barbs, give a javadin a thought, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Jerkazoid]

sure... it might work in pub

west scnl *jerkazoid
when ur ready to duel

[Knarl]

That's why low level dueling is just a test of who can chug potions faster. Leech is irrelevant so a high damage level 9 sacadin is very viable if you find some nice 3 socket 60% damage shield.



1. LLDers do not chug potions, nor do they use potions. PUBBY people in LLD games chug potions because they are not built to duel at the level they are at, they just join the game to duel because they are low level, and they get owned by real LLDers.

There is a difference between Low Level Dueling and Dueling at a Low Level.

2. You can get a 65%ed/121 AR shield with 4 sockets at lvl 9.


P.S. If that potion chugging comment was aimed at HC LLDers, then you should say so, because this is not the hardcore forum nor are the majority of the people in this thread talking about hardcore.

[AzaZaz]

P.S. If that potion chugging comment was aimed at HC LLDers, then you should say so, because this is not the hardcore forum nor are the majority of the people in this thread talking about hardcore.[/QUOTE]


I haven't taken offense to anything in any way, but as a hardcore dueler, and one very actively involved in LLD, I just want to make sure that people know that the use of potions in dueling isnt as simple as just "chugging" pots, and quite often the use of potions is intertwined with the skill of the dueler. The outcome of the duel can be greatly affected by who uses their alloted potions more adaquetly. More often then not a LLD char is only going to have slots for 8 potions (deaths sash) and in most cases I'm walking around with half a belt, If I dont use them accordingly, that could very well get me killed.

So no, lld is not a test to see who can chug pots, regardless of whether or not its SC or HC. If its SC it shouldnt be used at all, if its HC, chug all the pots you want, if you dont do it properly I'ma gonna cut your ear ;)


cheers

[Matt]

I'ma gonna cut your ear ;)
Aaron, I clearly take all the ears. ;)

But seriously, without typing it out again, I second what Aaron (err... azazazzazazaza)had to say.

-Matt

[AzaZaz]

Aaron, I clearly take all the ears. ;)

But seriously, without typing it out again, I second what Aaron (err... azazazzazazaza)had to say.

-Matt


I'd be more then happy to share some ears with you if you ever came online!


I popped an 18 chicken pally last night, and loot dueled a 21, as well as smoked some poor sap lvl 9 who was at the wrong place at the wrong time last night ^^

[Bigrob]

charger KILLS in lld.

[Jerkazoid]

well the discussion was whats the strongest vlld 9 .... charge aint 9, so thats out of the loop

aza:
what HC 9 build do u use to gank a 21 dueler, pop an 18,, and sap a poor 9?
(ill gues its a clegs sword TS sin as they have thebest single hit dmg potential)

but imo, if u pray off leeroy ur not really articulating the "best" dueler... and "the best dueler" imo is described as
the dueler suited wich poses a noticable threat to the widest variety of other duelers around their level.

vs other vlld 9's SC i listed and explained why, could u do the same for HC?

at 9 u dont have chargers.. though i would say the best HK PK is from some 21+ charger.

i dont see a double swing barb getting enough dmg to single hit kill in HC anyway....in sc the good 9 ts sins hit 2k,, so crits are 4k,, that is "explosive" dmg .. so u better have a shield to limit the hits.,, we also hit 400-600 life.. and on east they have 2k+ life lvl9 druids (for fun)

its always been my critisizm that in HC the player with the best reflexes for "esc" and Rejuvs has the advantage.... thats a strike against HC imo.

till the death, thats my idea of a duel....
loosing modivates to build better, and in sc we duelers learn what kills us constantly..

sorry if this poo's on HC but im just not that type of guy,
buy me dinner first then maybe...ok? (jk)

[Arctickhan]

lvl 9 smiter but ill never make one of them...

[AzaZaz]

i dont see a double swing barb getting enough dmg to single hit kill in HC anyway....in sc the good 9 ts sins hit 2k,, so crits are 4k,, that is "explosive" dmg .. so u better have a shield to limit the hits.,, we also hit 400-600 life.. and on east they have 2k+ life lvl9 druids (for fun)

its always been my critisizm that in HC the player with the best reflexes for "esc" and Rejuvs has the advantage.... thats a strike against HC imo.

till the death, thats my idea of a duel....
loosing modivates to build better, and in sc we duelers learn what kills us constantly..

sorry if this poo's on HC but im just not that type of guy,
buy me dinner first then maybe...ok? (jk)

who said anything about single hit kills?

Your view on hc dueling is clouded by the fact that some ppl quit to avoid death and potions are used. Potions run out, and dmg piles up fast. So yeah the player with the best reflexes for esc has the opportunity to quit to save his character, does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that he has the advantage in the duel. Can you imagine dueling somebody, and that person beating you so badly that you had to quit, and how it would feel to return to that game, sometimes you'd almost wish you had lost your character to save some pride. Making somebody quit, or "flux" is as good as making them tap out, scream "i quit", in wrestling is a submission not as good as a TKO?

You learn from your experiences, not just your deaths. A loss is a loss and a win is a win, ear or no ear. To me it's a little ironic tho to hear "till the death, thats my idea of a duel" when referring to softcore dueling compared to hardcore dueling....what death? :) Theres nothing to lose when you lose a duel, how is that motivating? I'm sorry but the thought of losing my character, and my charms (looted character or not charms are gone) is motivation to find all fundamental flaws in my build, b4 during and after dueling.

Like I said before, the use of potions is as much part of the dueling strategy as your attack and your defense, if not budgetted (sp?) and used properly, you will be seriously disadvantaged. It is not simply the quickest reflexes and who can chug the most potions. Recognizing your opponents output potential and how it compares to your life and the impact it will have on you and arranging your healing accordingly is very essential, and thats not to say you have alot of time to do that, you have to figure this all out in a matter of seconds.

with all that said and done...

the sad truth is, since the addition of chicken hack to hardcore, low lvl dueling has taken a huge hit. Majority of known and recognized duelers quit because pvm hc players and pvp sc players wanting to try their hand at hc dueling without the threat of dying have plagued it. So to find a game with a variety of low lvl duelers doesnt happen to often, so to find many VLD's, is even rarer.

I'd say you're correct that if I was to count up the most lvl 9 duelers I'd probably see the largest percentage leaning towards assassins. However I'd say those asns would be split 50/50 between TS asns and Kickers. Since there is no zeal to compete with kick and skills such as bash and sacrifice are awfully slow, it has its advantage.

I guess the reason I suggest a char such as double swing is from my own experience and probably doesn't apply to your scenerio as much, but when I see a lvl 9 kicker I label him as a "welfare dueler". I myself respect the TS sin as I believe it to require a little more thinking rather then click and hold. As well the cheapness of the kicker is appealing to alot of ppl wanting to try their hand at dueling. So I don't give these kickers much credit as duelers. Therefore a character who is more offensive then defensive, and can output quick dmg, such as a double swing barb, is something I would give a run with.

In terms of PKing, I can't see a TS sin working as it is very difficult to charge and release on a character running away, whereas with something like bash or throw would hit them once, maybe use KB and just pound away.

If it were up to me and I was making a serious lvl 9 dueler in hc. I'd make a javadin. Max might, all max gear, Maybe sigons gloves/belt combo as I wouldnt plan on being hit so CBF wouldnt be too much of a requirement from deaths. Remaining skills I'd put into sac and I'd find a nice eth war hammer, as much dmg as I could find, and I'd toss javs toss javs and if by chance my opponent got inside, I'd switch to sac and i'd try to put on 1-2 big hits maybe send him or her running, and peg him or her in the back with a few more javs as they ran.

That would be my lvl 9.


I hope that answers some of your questions.


Just wanna finish by saying, you told me that in sc you make your build better by learning what kills you constantly. In hc you need to be the best the first time and if you're not, you will lose your character. If thats not motivation to learn and learn fast, I dont know what is.


Cheers

[Jerkazoid]

this has to do with how SC duelers approach the fight
we dont normally avoid combat, thats frowned upon.

i guess if i was to sum up what we mainly have NOT in common
becasue everyone makes mistakes SC gets an eraser for death. we learn from making alot of small mistakes, not a few huge ones.

[Cheeseflys]

I have just entered the dueling world, and I was thinking, the tiger strike and BoS combo is to common, I was wondering, what's the build for the smiter vlld?

[krajee]

Wow, this is an old thread you brought back up. A common item setup would be;

mask with 3x flawed rubies
amulet with stats/dtm
crushflange
ancient armor with 4x -req jewels with life/def/dtm/dex
some kind of shield. I prefer bone for more defense, others like spiked for damage. Either way, vulpine prefix for dtm, and deflecting suffix.
deaths gloves
deaths belt
stat/rep rings
hotspurs

[ILackEmpathy]

kinda off topic but is it possible to actually shop a white or 4soc ancient armor?

[krajee]

kinda off topic but is it possible to actually shop a white or 4soc ancient armor?

http://members.iinet.net.au/~dcarson/shopcalc.html

[Magi]

That's an awesome link, krajee. Thanks! I see Ancient armors can be shopped from Anya and Larzuk. However, the little disclaimer at the top states that only non-magical items can be shopped in Act 1 and Act 2 (in other words, NOT Anya and Larzuk).

Based on that (using a lvl 40 char as the example), only MAGICAL Ancient armors can be shopped. Correct?

Thanks again!