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I just acquired an eth Death Berserker and figured the best option would be to put it on a Zealot, for the attacking speed. My setup would include 20IAS rare gloves, Andariel's, and Highlord's, enough to bump me up to 4fpa Zeal after Fanaticism. I'd probably use an Exile just for the Life Tap.
I'm wondering about its usability in PvP. If anyone has experience with both Death and Grief, I'd like to know how they compare, and if this Death is even worth keeping.
I checked the "Best Zealot Weapon" thread and the main problem with Death is that you sacrifice some DR from CoA. However, I'm too poor (or rather, too cheap) to buy one of those anyways, and intended to use SS whenever I really needed DR badly anyways.
Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
when i use death this is what i wear:
eth andy
Highlords/ravens
death zerk
up'd shaft with a regular ed jewel
crap exile vortex(i need an ed/ar one instead)
magnus' skin(or whatever they are +100ar 20%ias)
dungos
up'd gores
the only setup i like better than this is switching out andys with coa, shaft with fort, death with edc, ias gloves with rends. but i also have a 395 grief pb in the stash aswell but i do better with death and dc.
i'm also on east ladder if you would like to see him in action. *shupe1
grief still takes the crown, it is simply the best. Death doesnt provide ias, even edc beats the death's deadly strike. Death is good for pvm but i dont think it's good for pvp.
grief > edc > death
If u want to max ds, eth up'd headstriker beats it, and is cheaper.
Wrong.
Death can have 385% ed (370% from r/w and 15% sup), it can have 50% ds and 50% cb (not that useful in pvp but it helps) its indestructible.
Now EDC can have max of 270% (115% ed less!!), 66% ds. BUT - with highlords +death + gores u already achieve 100% ds with death so extra ds on death cleaver means nothing.
The consensus is if u have the ias - death is much better than edc, now not sure how grief fits in here, i suspect it would still be superior.
Not mentioning that u would probably never have a 270% edc, but its very possible to reroll a nearly perfect death zerker (vex rune is the highest required, 15% ed eth zerker might cost u a bit but nothing like even a lesser edc).
P.S. Eth headstriker sucks, low damage, range of 1, still requires a zod, no ias.
Wrong.
Death can have 385% ed (370% from r/w and 15% sup), it can have 50% ds and 50% cb (not that useful in pvp but it helps) its indestructible.
Now EDC can have max of 270% (115% ed less!!), 66% ds. BUT - with highlords +death + gores u already achieve 100% ds with death so extra ds on death cleaver means nothing.
The consensus is if u have the ias - death is much better than edc, now not sure how grief fits in here, i suspect it would still be superior.
Not mentioning that u would probably never have a 270% edc, but its very possible to reroll a nearly perfect death zerker (vex rune is the highest required, 15% ed eth zerker might cost u a bit but nothing like even a lesser edc).
P.S. Eth headstriker sucks, low damage, range of 1, still requires a zod, no ias.
i can think taht eth heastriker probably wont work. But edc is still better than death cuz it has ias & -target def. I dont how you're gonna get that much ias esle where without sacrficing good gears here. ed/ias armors? fort is better. :D
In zealot vs. zealot, since you use too many ias stuffs, you cant even slap on angelic. While with edc you can and with gears your overall dmg is still better than the death setup. You dont need extreme ds here cuz it's pointless if you cant hit the person.
Aloha!
Must leave my input too! This is a fanazealot using Death RW and its for PvM!
Made a different build and its very fun!
Weapon. Death RW (Eth Ba) - I rolled a crapy one 301% ed :mad: Must reroll it soon! :D Hope i get a better ED...at least above 350.
Shield: Exile made in eth Kurast shield +45 all res :D
Helmet: Guillames face (free socket) - thinking about 15ias/13 max dmg jewel
Armor: Fortitude Archon 15%
Gloves: Crafted 20ias, 10CB, 3LL + other stats
Boots: Goreriders
Amy: Highlords
Rings: Raven/Carrion Wind
Belt: Verdungo
Total deadly strike - DS = 44 (death) + 33 (Highlords) + 15 (Guillame) + 15 Goreriders = 107
Total Crushing Blow - CB = 50 (Death) + 35 (Guillame) + 10 (Crafted gloves) + 10 (Goreriders) = 105 CB
Total open wounds - OW = 10 Goreriders
DS and CB are over 100% (I know you cant have more). Uber diablo clone killer and a killing machine when it comes to PvM!
OFC using might merc with upped shaft (umed) and Reapers. I have not tried Other polearms like Infinity or Pride on my merc! So i dont know how they really work!
/Dec
i can think taht eth heastriker probably wont work. But edc is still better than death cuz it has ias & -target def. I dont how you're gonna get that much ias esle where without sacrficing good gears here. ed/ias armors? fort is better. :D
In zealot vs. zealot, since you use too many ias stuffs, you cant even slap on angelic. While with edc you can and with gears your overall dmg is still better than the death setup. You dont need extreme ds here cuz it's pointless if you cant hit the person.
Ok lets examine this claim as well:
We need 60% ias with death zerk for 4 fpa, and our goal is having angelics. So:
COA 15% 2x 40/15 ias = 30% ias.
Bloodcraft 20% ias cb str/dex (better than dracs imo) = 20% ias
Stormshield 40/15 ias = 15 ias. Total = 65% ias, we can use dual angelics too.
Max DR as well, and armor slot is free so no need for ed/ias armors.
I can also tell u that the dmg with this setup will be A LOT higher than your edc setup. And we can use an OW belt, if u feel that OW from dracs is missing.
In zealot vs. zealot, since you use too many ias stuffs, you cant even slap on angelic. While with edc you can and with gears your overall dmg is still better than the death setup. You dont need extreme ds here cuz it's pointless if you cant hit the person.
I use highlord/ravens in PvP with 15k AR and I do not notice that much of a difference at all between that and the 20k ar with angelics. And in all these threads people are always saying how grief is better than anything else, but have the poeple who say this every tried a build with max ds with edc or death? Because for my setup i do far less dmg to other chars with my grief.
I use highlord/ravens in PvP with 15k AR and I do not notice that much of a difference at all between that and the 20k ar with angelics. And in all these threads people are always saying how grief is better than anything else, but have the poeple who say this every tried a build with max ds with edc or death? Because for my setup i do far less dmg to other chars with my grief.
The added damage from grief is not shown in char screen...it's a bug! :p
So you cant see the total damage!
/Dec
The added damage from grief is not shown in char screen...it's a bug! :p
So you cant see the total damage!
/Dec
I know, but I can see how much my opponents life goes down after I hit him.
I know, but I can see how much my opponents life goes down after I hit him.
So if he looses 400 hp then 400 damage!
I guess this is more complicated....cause u have to take into consideration his % to block, his defense, your ar, ds, ow, and manny things! If you wanna try many weapons try it on opponent that uses the same gear always! And try hitting him with each weapon at least 10 times! To see if you infflict the same damage each time! This needs a little testing!
/Dec
This is what drives me crazy when people say that giref is better than edc, death, botd, eth razor, ect... Do they take into account ds, ow, +30 atrib. or equip? I mean for my gear edc, death, e razor > grief pb but for others i'm sure grief would be more effective. I just go nuts when people start saying grief is THE BEST weapon no matter what.
This is what drives me crazy when people say that giref is better than edc, death, botd, eth razor, ect... Do they take into account ds, ow, +30 atrib. or equip? I mean for my gear edc, death, e razor > grief pb but for others i'm sure grief would be more effective. I just go nuts when people start saying grief is THE BEST weapon no matter what.
I think it all depends on gear! But to really try it out wear the same gear and just switch weapons (if u can). PB req more dex, edc less dex but more str, (dex adds to ar + def for a melee paladin).
It seemed like for a barb Rik did some calculations! Maybe there is a need for such calculations for a pally too!
If you prove that Grief aint BEST on ladder...then you will cause a lot of headaches for many people! :D
/Dec
IMCanadian
08-07-2005, 16:56
Death can be high damage, like botd, but with alot of deadly strike, which in turn makes it more damage then botd. If you can pump out the ar/ias and it's possible, plus if you say your using andys instead of CoA, then try your Death out. Ive seen it used on a few pallys.
Ps
I just wanted to post here to get my name in a row 5 times!!! LOL:D
This is what drives me crazy when people say that giref is better than edc, death, botd, eth razor, ect... Do they take into account ds, ow, +30 atrib. or equip? I mean for my gear edc, death, e razor > grief pb but for others i'm sure grief would be more effective. I just go nuts when people start saying grief is THE BEST weapon no matter what.
Cause it is the best, 400+ average damage (no 415% ebotdz cant beat that), 20% dc, -25% target def, ctc venom and -psn res which makes it hurt even more, + on a pb u got all ur ias needs covered. If u think botd is better than this just because of 30 all stats ur living in a fantasy world.
Doll Call
08-07-2005, 17:24
personally death is limiting, but has more potential then edc, and its probably the only weapon that can compete with grief in damage.
heres my death zeal setup:
381% e death z
HL
2x raven
10/15 dracul's
2x 15ias COA
15PDR verdungo
15ias leviathan
gores
vortex exile
switch:
20ias gloves
angelics
my above perscribed setup gets a slick 4fps, max dr, good ctc lifetap, and max DS. the only problem is AR, and mediocre defense at best. i think i got like 34k def, and low ar when i'm not wearing angelics. howerver i'm not using steel charms... and once ladder ends my zealot will be packing duped charms. which will greatly enchance his AR.
Cause it is the best, 400+ average damage (no 415% ebotdz cant beat that), 20% dc, -25% target def, ctc venom and -psn res which makes it hurt even more, + on a pb u got all ur ias needs covered. If u think botd is better than this just because of 30 all stats ur living in a fantasy world.
No such thing as the best, I have seen pallys with botd set ups that do more dmg than griefers. All depends ons your other gear and stats.
Thanks for all your replies everyone, I guess I'll keep my Death after all :D
My concern with the discrepancy between Death and Grief is becaue Grief does include some DS of its own, and thus still has the potential of doing more damage than any other one-handed weapon in the game. While I'm not convinced that Death is the best in terms of damage output, I'd still like to see how it fares against Grief-wielding oponents.
Arutha, thanks for your offer, I'll likely be whispering you sometime today to see how your Death Zealot does.
I'll also try to crunch some numbers later today and see how the damage between the two compares, factoring in DS and everything. I'll post my findings when I'm done.
cant use eth exile or dracul. :D any zealot who uses either of these two type items will kill ur death zealot.
and there is alot difference betweem 15k and 20k ar to hit a person with 35k def
Do more dmg doesnt mean u can will win. But higher life, max block, and def also in consideration.
I agree that grief is the best zealot weapon, however in all zealot dueling games ive been in on east ladder, it is considered bm mainly due to the venom and the lack of resistances on most zealot duelers.
I actually like this though because there are so many different combinations and options available without a supreme weapon.
I agree that grief is the best zealot weapon, however in all zealot dueling games ive been in on east ladder, it is considered bm mainly due to the venom and the lack of resistances on most zealot duelers.
I actually like this though because there are so many different combinations and options available without a supreme weapon.
yes, it is kinda bm. But u can always drink antidote.
IMO, anything goes. Unless im dueling with my friends.
yes, it is kinda bm. But u can always drink antidote.
IMO, anything goes. Unless im dueling with my friends.
Agree, anyway zealots already have so many disadvantages vs many classes that a little of bm wont make any difference.
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