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Well, what do you think will happen? Will he sit in trial for months, will he get some meaningless sentance? Will he await an execution for the rest of his life?
When WW2 ended seven Japanese generals were tried and hanged within 10 days of surrender for crimes against humanity during the death march. Men who followed the nazi party after Hitler's death were instantly blindfolded and shot on the spot.
So what do you think? Are those days gone and dead, or should Osama get an old fashioned hanging within the week in front of everyone?
Well, what do you think will happen? Will he sit in trial for months, will he get some meaningless sentance? Will he await an execution for the rest of his life?
When WW2 ended seven Japanese generals were tried and hanged within 10 days of surrender for crimes against humanity during the death march. Men who followed the nazi party after Hitler's death were instantly blindfolded and shot on the spot.
So what do you think? Are those days gone and dead, or should Osama get an old fashioned hanging within the week in front of everyone?
First off I am not sure he will ever be caught or if he is even alive. That said it is a different world I do not see him being shot by some soldier on the spot and it will likely be some grand show with tons of cameras etc etc. Then again what is going on with Saddam?
They shouldn't catch him, they should shoot him, preventing other terrorists doing things to get him free
masterazn
05-07-2005, 15:24
I doubt anyone will catch him, he's a pretty smart man from what we can see. As far as we know, he might be in Tahiti now enjoying a pina colada on a sunny beach.
unless they are certain they can get more information out of him... I say they should hang him on the spot. get it on video. and play it on TV every single day.
He will most likely get a fake trial and then be executed as a real trial for everyone to see would require real evidence to show a link between him personaly and then specific crimes.
masterazn
05-07-2005, 15:28
unless they are certain they can get more information out of him... I say they should hang him on the spot. get it on video. and play it on TV every single day.
It's an idea, but to me, it seems pretty ludicrous. It would be like falling down to their level of videotapping hostages and stuff. I'm not dropping that low just yet.
AeroJonesy
05-07-2005, 15:47
It's an idea, but to me, it seems pretty ludicrous. It would be like falling down to their level of videotapping hostages and stuff. I'm not dropping that low just yet.
Unfortunately, it's not really up to you. I think the same thing would happen to him that happened to Saddam. With Saddam, I do feel that there's a little bit of respect given to him because he was leader of his country, and because he hadn't directly assaulted the US like bin Laden did.
I think he should be tried for crimes against humanity. Bin Laden is one person no liberals and no conservatives are going to defend. It'd be better to try him as open and publicly and internationally as possible. And you won't have to worry about him getting off.
DrunkCajun
05-07-2005, 15:54
If he is ever caught alive, I seriously doubt that the administration will be so hasty as to try and execute him in a week. They want to milk this one for all it's worth, and will likely drag out any trials for as long as possible to take advantage of the nearest election cycle. Expect lots of appearances of whichever Special Forces team captured him at campaign rallies for whichever Republicans the administration is backing.
Perhaps I'm cynical.
Anyone know what's happening to Saddam, by the way? Anything at all, or was that just a nice "look what we're doing" preceding a lot of doing nothing?
DaviddeJong
05-07-2005, 15:57
IF the US-forces find him, they'll shoot him on the spot, saying he tried to escape (which he probably will anyway). Think of all the terrorist activity a trial will cause! Many will die if that happens, the US will try and prevent that!
BTW, I think he's still alive and won't be caught.
David.
When/if we catch bin Laden, soldiers will rip off his mask to reveal that he is really Old Man Miller who ran the ski chalet. He would have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling kids and their dog.
If he is ever caught alive, I seriously doubt that the administration will be so hasty as to try and execute him in a week. They want to milk this one for all it's worth, and will likely drag out any trials for as long as possible to take advantage of the nearest election cycle. Expect lots of appearances of whichever Special Forces team captured him at campaign rallies for whichever Republicans the administration is backing.
Perhaps I'm cynical.
Anyone know what's happening to Saddam, by the way? Anything at all, or was that just a nice "look what we're doing" preceding a lot of doing nothing?
Thats so true and it pisses me off beyond belief. Someone out there will see it as a political goldmine, someone out there will try to make money off it. Someone will without a doubt will fight to the teeth for him to stay alive.
I don't think much will happen.
If he is captured alive, as I suspect he will be, one of the worst things that could happen is for Americans to gun him down. Retribution of this sort will only accomplish some very bad things: it will give anti-American Westerners even more grist for their mill, it will prevent us from wringing this monster dry of information, and it will give other monsters a T-shirt martyr.
Instead, we should simply put him in Gitmo dressed in his tidy whities and start the sodium penothal drip. It is hard to riot around some pitiful geek rotting in a prison, rather than someone suffering a "dignified" pseudo-combat death or a World Court cause celebre for terrorist-huggers. When he eventually commits suicide in his cell by hanging himself with his underwear, sure, the U.S. will be blamed - I would suggest having a camera on in the cell to make sure we can't be slandered in this manner.
But would there be any more appalling end for a "death to America" Islamist?
KnightFall
05-07-2005, 16:18
I doubt they'll ever catch him. They only caught Saddam because he was given up by someone he trusted. I think Osama would have more trusted people around him because he's not stuck in a beaten country surrounded by enemies...
KnightFall
I doubt they'll ever catch him. They only caught Saddam because he was given up by someone he trusted. I think Osama would have more trusted people around him because he's not stuck in a beaten country surrounded by enemies...
KnightFall
But Osama might easily outstay the Islam-sanctioned welcome that I suspect he is hiding under. Harboring a monster, plus reward money that is beyond the mathematical skillz of the region, tends to do that.
It needn't be the host that narcs on him either. Giant geeky non-Afghans (Pakistanis) tend to stand out a little. Plus, if he stands still, the situation only worsens.
I tend to wonder if he's hiding in Iran's border country, rather than Pakistan's.
DrunkCajun
05-07-2005, 16:33
But Osama might easily outstay the Islam-sanctioned welcome that I suspect he is hiding under. Harboring a monster, plus reward money that is beyond the mathematical skillz of the region, tends to do that.
It needn't be the host that narcs on him either. Giant geeky non-Afghans (Pakistanis) tend to stand out a little. Plus, if he stands still, the situation only worsens.
I tend to wonder if he's hiding in Iran's border country, rather than Pakistan's.
Here's a more interesting conspiracy theory for you. Considering all the benefits Pakistan's getting from helping the US find Osama, do you think Musharraf is really so keen in the idea of turning him up? Wouldn't it behoove him more to keep finding #2s and #3s (how many number twos and threes can we catch, by the way?) and keep getting ever-so-close to finding Osama without actually catching him?
Here's a more interesting conspiracy theory for you. Considering all the benefits Pakistan's getting from helping the US find Osama, do you think Musharraf is really so keen in the idea of turning him up? Wouldn't it behoove him more to keep finding #2s and #3s (how many number twos and threes can we catch, by the way?) and keep getting ever-so-close to finding Osama without actually catching him?
Nee-ner nee-ner, nee-ner nee-ner, da-da-daaaa!
"That's the signpost up ahead: Your next stop, The Twilight Zone."
The nugget of truth to this is that it catching UBL quickly would do nothing to help Perez with the somewhat restive portions of his populace. However, we were making REAL nice with him back when my Mom was still there. He's not lacking for U.S. cabbage.
TriggerHappy
05-07-2005, 18:27
Really, he'll prolly be treated just like Saddam. Hopefully, they tie him to a light pole in New York and anyone who wants to can line up and kick him in the nuts and spit in his face. Then run him over with a tank movin full speed.
Steel_Avatar
05-07-2005, 18:32
If a pig had wings, would it be a pigeon?
If a pig had wings, would it be a pigeon?
I thought a pigeon was a rat with wings...
Steel_Avatar
05-07-2005, 18:37
Meaning: Find me a pig with wings and then we'll talk. Applied here: Capture him first; you've been trying for nearly four years now. When you do, then we'll discuss it.
Meaning: Find me a pig with wings and then we'll talk. Applied here: Capture him first; you've been trying for nearly four years now. When you do, then we'll discuss it.
Gee, and I thought I was winning the OTF award for obscurity. :-D
Give him a full and public trial. If we can't get him on 9/11 there are countless other things that we can get him on.
Then put him in prison for a life sentance so that he can't be martyrized. Maybe throw him in solitary for a year or so and then show him to the world.
Steve_Kow
05-07-2005, 19:48
If they're smart they'll show him to be weak, docile, and perhaps effeminate. Using drugs or other behavioral coercian if necesary.
I like the idea of a mideival Irish dungeon. Its a windowless stone room right above an aquifer so the humidity gives you sufficient water, and they would feed you by throwing dogs chickens down there for you to kill with your bare hands, then eat it for a month.
not to mention the room is only about the size as the interior of a honda civic. And you are confined to never leave the room until you die. Fun stuff... knowing you will never see light again for the rest of your life!
CyberHawk
05-07-2005, 23:32
Wanna know whats going on with Saddam...
Well hes gonna be in GQ magazine I think this month..find out there maybe.
I'll see if I can my link that I read about this..its a sucky column..but its what they said.
rikstaker
05-07-2005, 23:37
Clone him..
3k times over....
& hang them all. :thumbsup:
Rik
CyberHawk
05-07-2005, 23:40
Well my homepage cant find it..but I found it elsewhere on some other forum..and rather than post its link..I'll just paste it here.
"NEW YORK (AP) - Saddam Hussein loves Doritos, hates Froot Loops, admires Ronald Reagan, thinks Bill Clinton was "OK" and considers both President George W. Bush and his father "no good." He talks a lot, worries about germs and insists he is still president of Iraq.
Those and other details of the deposed Iraqi leader's life in U.S. military custody appear in the July issue of GQ magazine, based on interviews with five members of the Pennsylvania National Guard who went to Iraq in 2003 and were assigned to Saddam's detail for nearly 10 months.
The magazine, which reached newsstands Monday, said the soldiers could not tell their families what they were doing and signed pledges not to reveal the location or other details of the U.S.-run compound where Saddam was an HVD, or "high value detainee," awaiting trial by Iraqi authorities for mass killings and other crimes.
However, the five soldiers told GQ of their personal interactions with Saddam, saying he spoke with them in rough English, was interested in their lives and even invited them back to Iraq when he returns to power.
"He'd always tell us he was still the president. That's what he thinks, 100 per cent," said Specialist Jesse Dawson, 25, of Berwick, Pa.
A Pentagon spokesman had no comment on the article.
The troops recalled that Saddam had harsh words for the Bushes, each of whom went to war against him.
"The Bush father, son, no good," Cpl. Jonathan Reese, 22, of Millville, Pa., quoted Saddam as saying.
Specialist Sean O'Shea, then 19, of Minooka, Pa., said Saddam later mellowed in that view. "Towards the end, he was saying that he doesn't hold any hard feelings and he just wanted to talk to (George W.) Bush, to make friends with him," he told the magazine.
Dawson quoted Saddam as saying: "He knows I have nothing, no mass weapons. He knows he'll never find them."
Their description of the man who once lived in palaces and now occupies a cell with no personal privacy matched recently published photos, apparently smuggled out of prison, showing Saddam in his underwear and a long robe.
The story said that once, when Saddam fell during his twice-a-week shower, "panic ensued. No one wanted him to be hurt while being guarded by Americans." One soldier had to help Saddam back to his cell, while another carried his underwear.
Saddam was friendly toward his young guards and sometimes offered fatherly advice. When O'Shea told him he was not married, Saddam "started telling me what to do," recalled the soldier. "He was like, 'You gotta find a good woman. Not too smart, not too dumb. Not too old, not too young. One that can cook and clean.' "
Then he smiled, made what O'Shea interpreted as a "spanking" gesture, laughed and went back to doing his laundry in the sink.
The soldiers also said Saddam was a "clean freak" who washed after shaking hands and used diaper wipes to clean meal trays, utensils and table before eating. "He had germophobia or whatever you call it," Dawson said.
The article said Saddam preferred Raisin Bran Crunch for breakfast, telling O'Shea, "No Froot Loops." He ate fish and chicken but refused beef.
For a time his favourite snack was Cheetos, and when that ran out, Saddam would "get grumpy," the story said. One day, guards substituted Doritos corn chips, and Saddam forgot about Cheetos. "He'd eat a family size bag of Doritos in 10 minutes," Dawson said.
The magazine said Saddam told his guards that when the Americans invaded Iraq in March 2003, he "tried to flee in a taxicab as the tanks were rolling in," and U.S. planes struck the palace he was trying to reach instead of the one he was in.
"Then he started laughing," recalled Reese. "He goes, 'America, they dumb. They bomb wrong palace."'
Saddam also said his capture in an underground hideout Dec. 13, 2003, resulted from betrayal by the only man who knew where he was, and had been paid to keep the secret.
"He was really mad about that," Dawson said. "He compared himself to Jesus, how Judas told on Jesus. He was like, 'That's how it was for me.' If his Judas never said anything, nobody ever would have found him, he said."
U.S. officials said at the time that intelligence from several sources led to Saddam's capture.
The magazine said Saddam prayed five times a day and kept a Qur'an that he claimed to have found in rubble near his hideout. "He proudly showed (it) to the boys because it was burned around the edges and had a bullet hole in it," GQ said."
As someone said right under this post..."wheres the HELL NO option"
AND I also saw somewhere that he might do the next Doritos commercial....I freakin despise some people in my country....morons.
PublicEnemy
06-07-2005, 00:00
Well, what do you think will happen? Will he sit in trial for months, will he get some meaningless sentance? Will he await an execution for the rest of his life?
When WW2 ended seven Japanese generals were tried and hanged within 10 days of surrender for crimes against humanity during the death march. Men who followed the nazi party after Hitler's death were instantly blindfolded and shot on the spot.
So what do you think? Are those days gone and dead, or should Osama get an old fashioned hanging within the week in front of everyone?
That's impossible to know when or how it will happen or if it will ever happen.
It's a matter of luck if he is caught.
Remember Saddam Hussein,he couldn't have been caught.
I guess that if he gets caught,the guy will commit suicide.
I think that he should not be sentenced to death.The fundamentalist muslims and ossama himself would be too happy to become a martyr.
He should be forced to watch the videos and pictures of his victims.
He should be forced to be visited by all his victims,families in his jail.
That would hurt him a lot.
KillJoyBob
06-07-2005, 00:19
When WW2 ended seven Japanese generals were tried and hanged within 10 days of surrender for crimes against humanity during the death march. Men who followed the nazi party after Hitler's death were instantly blindfolded and shot on the spot.
I hate to knit-pick, but if summary executions were handed out after WWII it wasn't official Allied policy.
The Nuremberg trials lasted for 1945 to 1949:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm
There were similar trials in Japan from 1946 to 1947:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0851450.html
As far OBL goes, if he is captured alive, he'll probably drop off the face of the earth. He'll be squirreled away in some secure basement. He will be interrogated thoroughly with the most modern tools/techniques possible (torture is a very ineffective tool in this regard). I doubt he'll be trialed publically, since it might prove embarrassing for the US and some of our allies. In ten years we'll read he has finally died in prison, on page 8 of USA Today.
PublicEnemy
06-07-2005, 00:22
While we're on Ossama,
I read that he could have been shot and killed at night by the french commandos,when he was in Afghanistan.He was targeted by them,but the US gvt didn't want them to kill him.I don't know why..
PatMaGroin
06-07-2005, 05:15
Well hopefully neither Osama or Saddam will end up like Milosevic.
He's at the Hague I believe, world court. He represents himself in court, and whenever someone takes the stand against them, he just badgers them and discredits them. He actually has done quite a job of staying alive, or un-punished at least. But it's made the world court a laughing stock.
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