Psnmancer questions

[Beneathnoise]

hey.

Working on my first psnmancer, (i'm currently realm down, so this is from memory)

I'm a level 81 mancer

20 PD
20 PE
20 PN
1 in all pre-reqs to LR
1 in bone armor
1 in SM
1 in pre-reqs to SR
And rest in RS.

My eq is:
Shako
Enigma
3 piece trang (glove/belt/shield)
28 Maras
Bk ring and Nagelring

Weapon set #1
2/46 dweb with a 5/5 facet
Trang shield with 5/5 psn facet

Weapon Set#2
AOKL
Homun

I have 5 psn gcs.

My nova damage is high 6k.
I can summon (and keep) 9 skellies

My merc is level 50something might merc.
w/ Guilliames face, Woestave and shaftstop

Now, my question is.. well, I"M NOT KILLING ANYTHING IN HELL.

lol.

It takes everything quite a long time to die.. I was doing baal runs, and i wasn't the main damager. some sorc with CL and L was.

And in a chaos run i dropped into, i had to have help from a level 55 CS Zon to kill some of the tougher baddies.

Now, as before, my question is, is this normal? What am i missing here?

I know i'm missing infinity for the permanent -resis. and i suppose i could toss in a bramble (tho the jury is still out) A 4 faceted Armor seems a bit wasteful, as well.

i DO love my psnmancer, and for lower level areas, he's more than adequate. But i heard he was pwnage, and i spent almost everything i had to gain the items required. So, what am i missing?

And, no, i have not tried a hell cow game yet. i'll do that after realm down is over (another 12 hours)

Any advice, or commiseration, or "yer just a newb, you suck" is welcomed.

[Myrakh-2]

If Infinity is the runeword with Conviction aura --- it won't help.

[Masas]

Get more damage. That means 3 more skillers, and a Bramble. Also, I hope you cast Lower Resists before spamming Poison Nova? By the way, you should be killing helluva fast with that gear, so I'll add a "yer a newb" comment.

[Beneathnoise]

last i checked, conviction lowered psn resistance.

and yes. i spam LR first.duh.

[Rzymian_Lg]

I noted such thing too - i was making each char (i love playing necro)
With full trang (max poison 3 skills) and inventory full of Skillers - in hand Hoto . I can handle ( in act 1 ). Maby someone who kills fast with his psnmancer could show his set ? (btw i cannot affort Bramble :()

[Liliel]

I don't get it. With a setup like that, enemies should be dying in droves. How many players in the game?

[Toxis]

long as you got a decent LR curse.. and you spam the nova you should be fine. with your set up and skills i cant understand why you would be having a problem. you are casting Lower Resist on EVERYTHING right? then your summons should keep them off long enough for you do kill kill kill :thumbsup:

- Toxis

[Generator Of Chaos]

Trade the nagel for a Soj?...

erm..I really don't know...as mentioned before, with that setup, you shouldn't be having no problems....unless you're expecting enemies to drop WHEN you cast it....remember poison does take a couple seconds to "hurt"...
Seriously don't understand...Are you casting any curse after Lower Resists? or someone else? If that happens the curse is overriden...

[Beneathnoise]

No, just lr. Should i be putting hard pts into LR? or just letting +skills do it? currently it's taking 60% off, i believe

[Mad Mantis]

last i checked, conviction lowered psn resistance.

Check again.

[Necrochild313]

No, just lr. Should i be putting hard pts into LR? or just letting +skills do it? currently it's taking 60% off, i believe

Once you get it to lvl 10 after +skills theres no good reason to invest hardpoints into it further.

A 4 faceted Armor seems a bit wasteful, as well.

It increases your damage more than a 50% bramble.

[Beneathnoise]

Once you get it to lvl 10 after +skills theres no good reason to invest hardpoints into it further.



It increases your damage more than a 50% bramble.

I know that, bro, but you lose everything else the bramble gives. The thorn damage, and various stats. And thanks, MM. i thought conviction DID lower psn resistance. There goes that theory.. I could still use it to help out my skellies tho, right?

NC, i showed my mancer to Gix, and he said i should show it to you, cause he was surprised by how inefficient it was. In Act 4, River of flame, it would take me 3 Poison Novas (with LR) to kill an Urdar.

For the comparably expensive eq, my summoner tore through River of flame.

Just not sure what i'm doing wrong.. i'm sure it's on my end somehow.

Anybody else who wants to take a look, i'm useast *beneathsilence

I'm usually online, but not usually active (perming, camping an ip for dclone, etc)

[Necrochild313]

I know that, bro, but you lose everything else the bramble gives. The thorn damage, and various stats. And thanks, MM. i thought conviction DID lower psn resistance. There goes that theory.. I could still use it to help out my skellies tho, right?

NC, i showed my mancer to Gix, and he said i should show it to you, cause he was surprised by how inefficient it was. In Act 4, River of flame, it would take me 3 Poison Novas (with LR) to kill an Urdar.

For the comparably expensive eq, my summoner tore through River of flame.

Just not sure what i'm doing wrong.. i'm sure it's on my end somehow.

Anybody else who wants to take a look, i'm useast *beneathsilence

I'm usually online, but not usually active (perming, camping an ip for dclone, etc)

I'll be on later tonight, right now i'm pumping out stats for me guide.

The only thing I'll disagree with you as far as 4 facets go, is to shop a nice jewelers armor of the whale, stability, ect. to cancel out the absense of mods.

[AphexB]

My lvl 79 psnmancer does about 9.6k (im at work, thus this is from memory) psn dmg without my pure dmg gear.

My most used gear is as follows:

Necro circ with +2/20 fcr/life/res,

Perfect roll dusk enigma,

2 x sojs,

29 maras,

3 piece Trang with a -5/+5 die psn facet in the shield,

P Deaths Web with a -5/+5 die psn facet,

Marrow walks/+2 XD,

and on switch I have cta and 32% spirit.

I can averagly cast lr run around spamming pn maybe 2-3 times and by the time im done with that, clear a half screen of monsters in the causway thing to the chaos sanctuary. One thing I noticed is that with so much minus to res, if a monster actually gets negative resists the psn effect at least appears to last longer than 2 seconds. I thought this build would be much more effective as well. Good for norm and nm cows XD

Still a char able to solo the game with a decent merc and summons. But at least my build is terrible for pvp, cause of the fcr which is very lacking and the delay on poison nova. But if I hit someone with max res it normally gets them down to 1 life. But thats a pretty big "if".

A very funny thing is how my psn facets do more damage than I do XD

[Necrochild313]

if a monster actually gets negative resists the psn effect at least appears to last longer than 2 seconds.

It does see this thread (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=277202)

The amount of -res you have in gear increases your poison length by that much.

[Mad Mantis]

And thanks, MM. i thought conviction DID lower psn resistance. There goes that theory.. I could still use it to help out my skellies tho, right?

Most definitely. The -% Enemy defense helps your skeletons hit far more often.

[Pherdnut]

I'll be on later tonight, right now i'm pumping out stats for me guide.

The only thing I'll disagree with you as far as 4 facets go, is to shop a nice jewelers armor of the whale, stability, ect. to cancel out the absense of mods.

Don't people pay in Ist runes by the dozen for those things? It's gotta be harder than shopping for a +3 BS wand for White.

[MrNuby]

Is it worth spending 4 5/5 psn facets in an Ancient Armor? Or should I wait for a light one?

[Pherdnut]

I think that would be a waste. Most necros can equip any of the light elite armors (which aren't that hard to find once you get to Hell) with standard gear on and those get a lot more Def.

[Beneathnoise]

Aphex, i think that's my issue.. our eq isn't THAT different skillwise (you have more neg psn resist, and one more skil pt), but you do 3k more damage than i do.

If i did 9k damage, i would be more content.

[Taishaku]

Too bad with Guardian Angel on (Or Venom Ward XD), my Poison Resist in Hell on my Bonemancer is 90%.

:P

I don't want to talk about carrying Antidote Pots. (Akara is my friend) XD

Poisonmancer should stick to PvM. Only once have I died to a Poisonmancer... but that when I killed him and triggered a lvl 50 Chain Lightening on my Enigma-wearing body (75% Res didn't save me ><)

They can PvP, but they lack the range, impartiality of damage, and speed the Bonemancer has. To win you need to get close enough to PNova; and pray it kills them.

GL HF DD KA DL vs. them Hammerdins. XD

[Necrochild313]

Too bad with Guardian Angel on (Or Venom Ward XD), my Poison Resist in Hell on my Bonemancer is 90%.

:P

I don't want to talk about carrying Antidote Pots. (Akara is my friend) XD

Poisonmancer should stick to PvM. Only once have I died to a Poisonmancer... but that when I killed him and triggered a lvl 50 Chain Lightening on my Enigma-wearing body (75% Res didn't save me ><)

They can PvP, but they lack the range, impartiality of damage, and speed the Bonemancer has. To win you need to get close enough to PNova; and pray it kills them.

GL HF DD KA DL vs. them Hammerdins. XD

I can tell that you yourself has never played with a pvp venomancer. Escpecially with the hammerdin comment.

[Taishaku]

I can tell that you yourself has never played with a pvp venomancer. Escpecially with the hammerdin comment.

... Actually, Hammerdin is what I had the most trouble with... I could never get close enough to Nova him.

And the Bonemancer is much more geared towars PvP than the Poisonmancer.

[Necrochild313]

... Actually, Hammerdin is what I had the most trouble with... I could never get close enough to Nova him.

And the Bonemancer is much more geared towars PvP than the Poisonmancer.

...

Poison nova has a higher range than Blessed Hammer.

You could also say that lightning traps are much more geared toward PvP than fire traps. Meet a good fire trapper and you'll change your mind.

[Poisoned one]

I honestly don't know what all you people are on about with your psn necro not being able to kill anything in hell. Yes, there are places where the psn necro doesn't get the job done. Bosses are the main ones, I never die on em, but it just takes one long time to get em dead. And the 4 waves in baal runs, but I just use CE for those once you or someone else kills one. Also, my necro is usually the one clearing out the throne room before the waves of balls minions start popping out. Everyone else is just dying But maybe you just don't have the right technique. I usually do, LR, spray psn, amp damage, CE. Any group of monsters gets wasted by this. The setup I have is.

2soc COA /w 2x P psn die facets
2/46 Death web /wP psn die facet
um'd 3pnb Darkforce
50%bramble
arach
P maras
2xsojs
trang gloves
Marrows
8x pnb gcs
1x anni

My nova does 12k damage on my level 93 nec with perfect resistances.


BTW has anyone ever looked at the psn explosion damage? mines at 88k:p

[AphexB]

Yeah lots of the monsters in hell with 8 ppl are easy.... but in places where u have to get in pretty close with the baddies it gets tough. In doing my Hellforge I cleared the monsters much faster than the higher lvl orb sorc. The thing I cant stand is the low cast rate, and the inability to keep firing. Unless im wrong, I thought spamming novas as fast as you can is pointless.

[Cheetor]

Poison nova is not actualy a killing spel, it is just an support spell, it takes life from the all monsters so the minions or party members can kill them faster, I just use it to help my minions.
Since you canot max skelyes because you already maxed Pnova and synergies, just spend 1 skills into revives, and let +skills do the rest. Five revives are enough I gues.

[sequoia]

but you CAN max skellies, you only spend 60~ pts on the synergies, leaving you 50 pts to do your bidding, easily getting 20 in mastery and 20 in skel

[Pherdnut]

Poison nova is not actualy a killing spel, it is just an support spell, it takes life from the all monsters so the minions or party members can kill them faster, I just use it to help my minions.
Since you canot max skelyes because you already maxed Pnova and synergies, just spend 1 skills into revives, and let +skills do the rest. Five revives are enough I gues.

With the right gear, poison nova is one of the deadliest attacks in the game. Untwinked, however, that is a good way to look at it.

[hks489]

I can tell that you yourself has never played with a pvp venomancer. Escpecially with the hammerdin comment.


took the words outta my mouth

[quasar]

Did you guys find what was wrong with his character?

My untwinked PvM summoner is at level 24 right now, but I'm still wavering between poison and bone.

Could bone be better for untwinked players as compared to poison? I always thought it was the other way round till I hit this thread.

Which way should I go? I'm dirt poor :)

Thanks.

[Necrochild313]

Could bone be better for untwinked players as compared to poison? I always thought it was the other way round till I hit this thread.

Which way should I go? I'm dirt poor :)

Thanks.

I don't suggest poison then, unless your a hybrid. If so, weigh heavily on summons and use poison as your "secondary" attack.

[Cheetor]

Things with Venom/Sumonner are simple:

Poison branch requires 60 skills, you are left with 40 to invest in skels.

I am curently building an V/S myself but I am going to spend only 50 skills in poison branch (should be enough I hope) and the extra 10 :
one each in Amp, Weaken, I maiden, Decr, C golem, B golem, I golem,
S resists, mages, Revive, .

So with +3 skills I curently have:
5 skels, 5 revives, one IG, might Merc, level 4 amp, and a decent (but not great) P nova.

At level 45 I rulle everything in nightmare...(I kill faster than with any of my other caracters).

With bone branch even simpler : bone branch to be efective requires 100 skills, so no golem, no skels ,no revives, no curses...

you are goig to be a little on your own, with no minions. maybe jus the merc
I tryed building a boner but I got bored at about level 30.