WWsin vs melee chars

[Old_Man_Winter]

I'm still leveling my char, never played with Assas before, but I'm trying to get her equip at the same time.

I understand that in melee duels it might be better to go from claw/claw to claw/shield, since weapon block doesn't act against melee attacks (does it work vs guided arrow btw?).

I know Storm a great shield, but for a little more damage I thought a Jewelers Tower shield of deflecting socketed 3 psn facets could be could too. Tell me if this is noobish though.

On the DR side, I have 15% from verdungo & 10% from CoA. With fade lvl 32 is it enough to get me 50% DR in pvp? In that case I could consider socketing the CoA with 2 psn facets too, instead of Bers. I have Kiras for high res ves casters.

Thanks for any help :)

[Speederländer]

Weapon block works against melee. Where did you get the idea it didn't?

[TheKing]

try to get a 60% WB because you must kill those smiters!!!

if you got 25% DR from equp then you`ll need lvl 25 fade!

for melee only duel get bramble!

[Old_Man_Winter]

Ok I guess I was confused about the melee blocking thing.

Does anyone go for claw/shield WWsin in melee? I gues the extra 15% block isn't worth it?

Thx for the anwser about fade & dr TheKing. Do you people recommend I socket that CoA with psn facets then?

[TheKing]

go for dual claw! invest more in vit...

soket the coa with facets!

[Speederländer]

Facets in a CoA = minimal damage gain. You're better off getting another 30 res all. It's always good to increase damage. But the life saved from 30 res is much more.

[MonsterSlayer]

WB = 60% Block with no dex requiered + it maintains while running.

SB = 75% Block with moderate-high dex requiered + it's reduced while running

WB>SB :)

[Speederländer]

WB = 60% Block with no dex requiered + it maintains while running.

WB is zero while running.

[Old_Man_Winter]

Ok Thankyou for answers everyone ! It was a great help. I will still be casting fade in melee for the DR, so I will have a high +res and can afford to socket the CoA (30 res btw) with facets I think.

[Weltkriegpally]

the reason a shield might be better in melee is that zealots hit a lot faster and harder than smiters do, even with grief (mayhap, ESPECIALLY with grief). 75% less damage is good because its gonna take that zealot about 2 hits to kill you if one is a deadly strike. I am assuming grief zealot and I have dueled some top wwsins on ladder. I use stormshield/coa and my gear stinks for the most part (need rebuild and better charms), and I have lost once to a ww sin. I am not saying you won't do better vs. lower resist exile zealots, though.

--welt

[MonsterSlayer]

WB is zero while running.

Are you sure? I think I read somewhere it would maintain all the way, beside I forgot to mention you can block certain skills with WB.

[Speederländer]

Are you sure? I think I read somewhere it would maintain all the way, beside I forgot to mention you can block certain skills with WB.

Absolutely 100% sure. This comes up here about every 2 weeks or so. There is no doubt at all. It does not block when you run. This is one of the reasons why moving with teleport is so superior to moving by running.

[Zangeif]

More hit checks per ww, higher vitality, and ability to block elemental attacks is better than 15% block.

[Born2Pk]

Does weapon block still work if you're walking, though?

[Zangeif]

No it doesn't work if you're walking or running.

It does work when whirlwinding.

[MonsterSlayer]

hmm, this is something I've never been sure about, but can you actually block while ww'ing?
E.g. a barb using a shield where he has 75% chance of blocking. He now make a long ww and a GA ama shots GA's at him. Will he block 3/4 of those or will all hit?
The same question where Assa replaces the barb. :)

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

the reason a shield might be better in melee is that zealots hit a lot faster and harder than smiters do, even with grief (mayhap, ESPECIALLY with grief). 75% less damage is good because its gonna take that zealot about 2 hits to kill you if one is a deadly strike. I am assuming grief zealot and I have dueled some top wwsins on ladder. I use stormshield/coa and my gear stinks for the most part (need rebuild and better charms), and I have lost once to a ww sin. I am not saying you won't do better vs. lower resist exile zealots, though.

--welt
75% less damage? I presume you mean Damage Reduce? DR is capped at 50% max... different from Resi and there is NO WAY IN HELL you can go over 50% unlike resi where you can equip +% max resi items.

CoA... I was very well thinking of this but switched to Griffon's... 2x Ber'd one can give you nice DR though, and with SS you will have maxed 50%.

If a Zealot kills you in about 2 hits... that's just weird. Even with Deadly Strike, it shouldn't kill you in 2 hits unless he has Open Wound / Amp going for him at the same time. especially since Assns are suppose to have great life pool (1 Vit = 3 HP) with BO you will be able to tank Zealers fairly nicely.

Zealers have never been a real problem with me in PK's... I run a Bone Nec, Light Sorc, and Windy Druid, and really, I find them pretty easy for the most part. They can be Very strong though. (barely dodges flames)

Does weapon block still work if you're walking, though?
It never did and it never will.

hmm, this is something I've never been sure about, but can you actually block while ww'ing?
E.g. a barb using a shield where he has 75% chance of blocking. He now make a long ww and a GA ama shots GA's at him. Will he block 3/4 of those or will all hit?
The same question where Assa replaces the barb.
Hmm I was just wondering the same thing... I know that WW speed is affected only by FRW, so I assume it's "moving" without any movement spells like Teleport or Leap... So I'd think no, he will block 1/4 of all those GA's.

[Weltkriegpally]

75% less damage? I presume you mean Damage Reduce? DR is capped at 50% max... different from Resi and there is NO WAY IN HELL you can go over 50% unlike resi where you can equip +% max resi items.

CoA... I was very well thinking of this but switched to Griffon's... 2x Ber'd one can give you nice DR though, and with SS you will have maxed 50%.

If a Zealot kills you in about 2 hits... that's just weird. Even with Deadly Strike, it shouldn't kill you in 2 hits unless he has Open Wound / Amp going for him at the same time. especially since Assns are suppose to have great life pool (1 Vit = 3 HP) with BO you will be able to tank Zealers fairly nicely.

Zealers have never been a real problem with me in PK's... I run a Bone Nec, Light Sorc, and Windy Druid, and really, I find them pretty easy for the most part. They can be Very strong though. (barely dodges flames)
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75% less damage means more block. as in, 75% block with something like a whistans. it gives you less hit checks, but its a greater chance of survival vs. top end melees like good zealots or fury druids. as far as that goes, I have a zealot on ladder using grief. without a deadly strike, I hit a consistent 1k pvp hit. if I get a deadly strike, its about 1.7k or a little more. since most sins of the type have something like 3k life after bo (roughly), then thats pretty much a 2 hit ko. I know I am not the only one that uses grief out there,e ven if I do have one of the odd builds for doing so.

--welt

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

75% less damage means more block. as in, 75% block with something like a whistans. it gives you less hit checks, but its a greater chance of survival vs. top end melees like good zealots or fury druids. as far as that goes, I have a zealot on ladder using grief. without a deadly strike, I hit a consistent 1k pvp hit. if I get a deadly strike, its about 1.7k or a little more. since most sins of the type have something like 3k life after bo (roughly), then thats pretty much a 2 hit ko. I know I am not the only one that uses grief out there,e ven if I do have one of the odd builds for doing so.

--welt
Goddamn when Ladder gonna reset to gimme Grief / Infinity / SPIRIT?

[Speederländer]

Your block is at its full value when you ww.

[MonsterSlayer]

hmm, then it was pretty stupid of me always trying to get in behind the barb, before I made a long ww after him :-\

[jokermwx]

Zealers have never been a real problem with me in PK's... I run a Bone Nec, Light Sorc, and Windy Druid, and really, I find them pretty easy for the most part. They can be Very strong though.

OK.....WTF am I doing wrong then. I hate the Barb/Pally builds, because evrybody has one. I made a WWsin, and was dominated. I was pissed off. I tried, tried, tried, and tried again. I only beat some that were in the 70's-80's. I'm amazed to hear how other WWsin's tank them so easy. What have I missed?? I thought my life was high....I tried it all...2 Chaos claws...1+Fury, Claw + Shield(does not work at all)....2 Ber COA...2 Psn COA....Bramble...Enigma....10Shadow gc's...etc. etc,..you get the picture. I sold all my other charcs items to get all that stuff, and nothing to feel good about. :mad: Now I MF to find godly rare claws, 3soc GT w/40IAS(BearSin), and any thing else that will help me beat barbs/pallys. Also, how did you all get a high enough AR to hit them?

[ilkori]

Do not expect to beat good WW barbs. They have higher range, life, damage, defense, blocking, and tend to have enough equipment freedom to almost neglect your poison damage on top of all that. The numbers just aren't in your favor. :(

Good charge/hammer paladins are also very difficult (from what I hear).


As for attack rating, there was a thread or three on this a couple weeks ago. Check back a few pages and it should pop up.

[fredsta54]

WW barbs can be beaten with a wwsin(ghostsin) just dont expect to duel them like a bvb match. Your gonna have to spam mind blast +traps + sneak in the occasional ww.



Fred

[morotsjos]

WW barbs can be beaten with a wwsin(ghostsin)

Fred
Not good ones.

['22'Souljah]

Not good ones.
fosho barbs are definately not the char that dies from hit and run ow alone

[Speederländer]

fosho barbs are definately not the char that dies from hit and run ow alone

Your poison, magic damage and mind blast end up giving you about as much damage as your OW against barbs. But you still die.

[Davie.]

Damn those barbs -_-. I hated em in .9 when I played sin and things havent changed >_<.