FC Druid

[Dahkar]

I was thinking about a FC druid, and if the ladder ever resets I think this would be a pretty good build to make... It can get VERY good dmg at a VERY fast attack speed(4), and most people underestimate shape shifting druid. Imagine 12-14k(This will be new ladder season so not GREAT gear) fire dmg at that speed... INSANE for new ladder season.

[LuckyDwarf]

I was thinking about a FC druid, and if the ladder ever resets I think this would be a pretty good build to make... It can get VERY good dmg at a VERY fast attack speed(4), and most people underestimate shape shifting druid. Imagine 12-14k(This will be new ladder season so not GREAT gear) fire dmg at that speed... INSANE for new ladder season.

The only problem is that one week in and people will have Enigmas, HotOs, BotDs, CtAs, etc. Atleast they won't have skill, so that's always a plus.

Lucky

[xeyloderixed]

The only problem is that one week ....


try 2 days

[Aerath]

Imagine Fire Immunes and no physical damage whatsoever =)

[Dad Daniel]

I was thinking about a FC druid, and if the ladder ever resets I think this would be a pretty good build to make... It can get VERY good dmg at a VERY fast attack speed(4), and most people underestimate shape shifting druid. Imagine 12-14k(This will be new ladder season so not GREAT gear) fire dmg at that speed... INSANE for new ladder season.

One of my best LOD-buddies made a godly pure FC druid. He equiped it with Super elite gear: 1.Perfect jalal\soc 5/-5 fire facet;2. Storm shield\ soc 5/-5 fire facet;3 COH Superior Archon (with 15ed/15durability - best in EuHCL realm); 4. PB - shaeled; 5. Mara 30%; 6. WW boots 65life; 7. Perfect verdungo; 8. Magefist gloves; 9. Bulcathos ring; 10. 20/250 raven (in cases of PvP he was using angelic combo). In addition, its merc was equiped with Infinity Pike.
In the FC druid inventory, my friend was stored some peaces from heaven - Shape skiller/43 life; Shape/39 and etc.

But... to tell you the truth guys, now he use this character(naked of course) only for muling...
After a PvP duel with WW barb (thanks that the chiken activated, droping his FC druid with 200 life left!), he said: "ENOUGH!! I will no longer create characters demanding 70-80 Ists to become playable!!"

Now he is enjoying the game with his good old 92 lvl Hammerdin...

[LuckyDwarf]

Daniel, you just said thanks that the chicken activated. Shame on you.

Lucky

[Valar-Wrath]

(thanks that the chiken activated, droping his FC druid with 200 life left!), he said: "ENOUGH!! I will no longer create characters demanding 70-80 Ists to become playable!!"


That just goes to show you, even if you ebay/bot/mh if you suck, you suck.

Good riddance.

[Dahkar]

Well of course a druid is going to get murdered if he just stays their and lets the barb ww him while he right clicks him. You have to dodge ww's and know when to attack.

Edit: Can Zappa ban Daniel for admittedly using a MH? Or at least being that damn irritating.

[Dad Daniel]

Well of course a druid is going to get murdered if he just stays their and lets the barb ww him while he right clicks him. You have to dodge ww's and know when to attack.

Edit: Can Zappa ban Daniel for admittedly using a MH? Or at least being that damn irritating.

?????
The druid was NOT mine, and i have never played with it.

About your edit - is MH means Map hack?? And when i have used it?? :lol: :lol:
Are you sleeping while reading or what?!?!

If you have a problem with me, go ahead and tell me with what i am irritating you? :)

[Dahkar]

Maybe you weren't using it, but you were condoning the use of chicken which comes with map hack.

[Dad Daniel]

I am against hacks and their using.

Unfortunately MH (map hacking) has become a standart of gameplay for near 90% of Diablo players... Many people cannot imagine playing this game without it. Many times they laugh at me ( for example in trade games when i ask them to show me the item, MH users are saying "Scan me!" and when i explain that i am not able to do it, they are simply ignoring me) , because according to their opinion only noobs doesn't use it...

Besides, i can't force people to stop using it.

[Dahkar]

Wait... your against hacks, yet you say "After a PvP duel with WW barb (thanks that the chiken activated, droping his FC druid with 200 life left!)," Your basicially saying,"Good thing my friend had chicken." In an effort to stop this from turning into a flame war this will be my last post in this thread.

[Valar-Wrath]

Unfortunately MH (map hacking) has become a standart of gameplay for near 90% of Diablo players... Many people cannot imagine playing this game without it.

Yep, and that 10% resides here. Actually it's more like 98% use it and the 2% reside here.

Anywho, you did make it sound like you supported chicken when you said, 'thank god he had chicken' or something to that degree, just to let ya know.

[PhatTrumpet]

All he said was "luckily, blah blah blah," not "thank God, blah blah blah." Subtle yes, but to me that just means he didn't want to see all that secksie gear go poof so quickly.

Dahkar, lighten up a bit. Taking something as trivial as this to flame war status would just make you look foolish more than anything else.

Dad Daniel, just to be safe don't even mention chicken or maphack in the future. The holier-than-thou of this forum tend to see either of those words and automatically light up without even reading the post carefully. As you can see, he didn't even realize that it was your friend and not you using maphack until you spelled it out for him.

[Valar-Wrath]

All he said was "luckily, blah blah blah," not "thank God, blah blah blah."

Actually he said "thanks" which is closer to thank god than luckily. Either way it sounded like he was glad his friend had chicken, which I don't like.

Dahkar, lighten up a bit. Taking something as trivial as this to flame war status would just make you look foolish more than anything else.

And speaking of lightening up, check your post in the 'had a good mf day yesterday' and take your own advice.

[Dahkar]

Yeah I think my posts of the last day have been a little agressive.. perhaps i'm venting a little stored up anger? Damn those contact sports not being in season! Anyways I apologize if I seemed to agressive in this post or any.

[xeyloderixed]

Damn those contact sports not being in season!

its always in season at my place

stop by anytime

[Dahkar]

Can I get all my anger out and be ROUGH?

[PhatTrumpet]

And speaking of lightening up, check your post in the 'had a good mf day yesterday' and take your own advice.
I made no accusations whatsoever in that post; I simply pointed out a flaw in the guy's story. It was other posters who took it for what it was worth and ran with it.

[Valar-Wrath]

I made no accusations whatsoever in that post; I simply pointed out a flaw in the guy's story. It was other posters who took it for what it was worth and ran with it.

Yes, you pointed out a flaw. You could have stopped there but then you said this:

... something's fishy here.

It's not coming right out and saying it but you know damn well what you were thinking. You don't have to say: "He must be lying because Tal Armor cannot drop from Meph and he can't remember where it dropped" for you to get your point across.

You didn't say he was lying but you certainly implied it. You didn't believe him, and you told us with those three little words.

[xeyloderixed]

this thread is getting HOTT, thereby i need to post

Can I get all my anger out and be ROUGH?

of course u can, the rougher the better

In an effort to stop this from turning into a flame war this will be my last post in this thread.

liar!

You could have stopped there but then you said this:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Phattrumpet
... something's fishy here.

flame war flame war!

oh, and i actually dont think the "it has to be memorable" argument. for example, i dont consider anything that can be dropped by hell meff memorable, because ive seen an infinite number of times. im also less impressed by some of the higher end stuff, because for some odd reason i get lots of worthless high end junk. for example, in 457 solo baal runs i think 5 aldurs armors dropped. another example: i ss'ed the first wf i found ever (found in run 80) but when another dropped in run ~400 i didnt even get excited ><

[PhatTrumpet]

Even though this is moving into the wrong thread...

A "really good find" is of course a relative thing. For you, the first WF, along with that Tal's Armor you were telling me about a little while back, were both really good finds. You could probably tell me where you found them and maybe even exactly what suicide run number you found them on. The second WF was rather uneventful compared to the first becuase they were almost becoming routine at that point.

Now this battledroid fellow lists his "really good finds" in his original post. This is apparent because later in the thread he lists a bunch of less spectacular finds. Runes and unique amulets can get mixed in with the crowd pretty easily, but a bright green Laquered Plate staring at you from the ground will be slightly harder to forget.

He was also MFing with a slow, relatively inexpensive IK Barb. Someone who had grown accustomed to finding Tal's Armors, Ists, and Mals would most likely have spent the dough to make a faster, more effective magic find character well in advance of these finds.

[Valar-Wrath]

Even though this is moving into the wrong thread...

A "really good find" is of course a relative thing. For you, the first WF, along with that Tal's Armor you were telling me about a little while back, were both really good finds. You could probably tell me where you found them and maybe even exactly what suicide run number you found them on. The second WF was rather uneventful compared to the first becuase they were almost becoming routine at that point.

Now this battledroid fellow lists his "really good finds" in his original post. This is apparent because later in the thread he lists a bunch of less spectacular finds. Runes and unique amulets can get mixed in with the crowd pretty easily, but a bright green Laquered Plate staring at you from the ground will be slightly harder to forget.

He was also MFing with a slow, relatively inexpensive IK Barb. Someone who had grown accustomed to finding Tal's Armors, Ists, and Mals would most likely have spent the dough to make a faster, more effective magic find character well in advance of these finds.

Well, since you kinda ignored everything I said in my last post, and I think that's because you don't want to seem like the bad guy and just call the guy a liar(which you obviously think already) You are implying that he is lying(or atleast exaggerating) about his finds, correct? So why are you trying to beat around the bush? Basically what you are saying is just as bad as coming out and saying he is not telling the truth.

[PhatTrumpet]

Everything you said in your last post? Well, let me summarize:

"I think you implied that battledroid was lying and I'm right so that makes you an ___hole."

How should I reply to that? "Ok, thanks for your opinion."

My pointing out the flaw in his story was essentially pointing out that something was fishy. By simply following that up with "... something's fishy here" does not do anything more than reinforce what I already said. I left the door wide open for him to explain himself, and he just moped away with his tail between his legs. He didn't have any explanation whatsoever for why he didn't remember where the item dropped.

If you have some sort of beef, you can take it up with me in private. I also don't understand why you insist on continuing this discussion in the completely wrong thread.

[Valar-Wrath]

Everything you said in your last post? Well, let me summarize:

"I think you implied that battledroid was lying and I'm right so that makes you an ___hole."

How should I reply to that? "Ok, thanks for your opinion."

My pointing out the flaw in his story was essentially pointing out that something was fishy. By simply following that up with "... something's fishy here" does not do anything more than reinforce what I already said. I left the door wide open for him to explain himself, and he just moped away with his tail between his legs. He didn't have any explanation whatsoever for why he didn't remember where the item dropped.

If you have some sort of beef, you can take it up with me in private. I also don't understand why you insist on continuing this discussion in the completely wrong thread.

Hm, don't recall ever calling you any kind of name. I don't remember saying 'I'm right.' but of course that is kinda stupid considering I'm the one posting and of course I think I'm right if I'm posting it in the first place.

You could reply by either agreeing or disagreeing about you thinking he lied. You basically ignored the question at hand and went on about only pointing out flaws even when it is clear that you do not believe him. Basically, you could have easily pointed out flaws, without saying your last statement, and it wouldn't have made you seem like you didn't believe him. But saying "something's fishy here" shows just about everyone that you think he is not telling the truth.

If somebody told me that they found all this great gear in one day, even if it wasn't very probable, and I went on to prove something wrong with his story and then ended my post with "something's fishy here" would you think I believe them?

And about the continuing this conversation in this thread:
1) It's not like threads aren't hijacked all the time.
2) I don't mind continuing this in another thread, whenever you'd like.
3) And you continuing this conversation in this thread by posting here and then saying "I don't know why YOU insist on continuing this discussion in the wrong thread" is pretty funny in my opinion. You could have ignored my post if you think it's so awful to continue this discussion here.

Also about the 'beef'. I have no beef with you whatsoever. Nor with anyone on these forums. Although I do tend to get slightly offended when someone makes a comment like this:

The holier-than-thou of this forum tend to see either of those words and automatically light up without even reading the post carefully. As you can see, he didn't even realize that it was your friend and not you using maphack until you spelled it out for him.

That's what set me off and I definately don't like how you put a label on this whole forum. Apparently, you are the only one on this forum that is not 'holier-than-thou'. Heh, sounds a bit hypocritical, wouldn't ya say?

[PhatTrumpet]

Ah yes, the double standard. How many posts of yours should I have ignored before you realized that this discussion should have continued in the other thread? Two? Three? There was no need for you to post that unprovoked follow-up after I replied to xey, and by doing so you merely showed an insistance to get something off your chest. Unfortunately I caved and indulged.

Double standard: you tell me what I did and did not imply but the second I take a stab at what you did and did not imply I'm wrong? Blatant defense mechanism if I ever saw one. "___hole" may not have been the most precise word to use, but "hypocrite" was, and "___hole" and "hypocrite" tend to go together very well in my book. I cannot think of one person I woud call a "hypocrite" that I would not call an "___hole." No, you didn't come right out and call me names, but you sure did imply it.

I pointed out the flaw, and yes, if battledroid did not have an explanation for that flaw you definitely could consider my post to be implying that he was lying. But, unlike Dahkar's post, I made no direct accusations or, more importantly, any conclusions about this guy's story. I was more than willing to hear his explanation, but none came. Now you may personally think what I did was just as bad as an accusation, but I sure don't. I believe that in most dictionaries "implication" and "accusation" have very different meanings. The world isn't so black and white.

I asked Dahkar to lighten up because 1. he misread the post, and 2. he asked that Dad Daniel be banned based on conclusions made from that misreading, namely that this guy was a maphacker. That's rather harsh and arrogant, but credit goes to him for realizing his mistake and apologizing. While you think my post in the other thread was hypocritical, I'd like to think my post was a pretty good example of lightening up. I could have done similar to Dahkar and just called this guy a liar, but I didn't. I could have told him to "Go back to wherever you came from... hope you enjoyed your stay at the HC Forum," but I didn't. I also could have just said "Wow, congrats, those are some awesome finds," but that would simply be ignoring facts and details and that's not the kind of person I am.

If you remember back to the "Ultimate Hack Dueler" thread Dad Daniel made, there were flaws in his story as well that he could not explain very well either. People ganged up on him, he got defensive and fought back a bit. This just made people flame him even more, and before you knew it the thread was closed. The major difference between that situation and this is the reaction of the original poster. Battledroid, instead of fighting back, just pouted and walked away. Then everybody said, "awww, look at the cute little puppy" and ecouraged him to come back. I'm willing to bet money that if battledroid had responded the way Dad Daniel did (with as little evidence as Dad Daniel had), there'd be a whole lot more people on my side. It's all about the mob psychology in this forum.

Just to touch on the holier-than-thou part, you know what I'm talking about but are clouded by your defensiveness. "The holier-than-thou of this forum" merely refers to a constituent of this forum; it is not a label for the entire forum. Just like one might say, "the homeless of this city," or "the liberals of this nation." I'm talking about the people who jump to conclusions about someone and incessantly talk down to them... the people who refuse to take a person seriously just because they botted for a month back in 1.09 and then realized that it was a waste, or were a member of BM but were still 100% legit (yes there were a few). Actions like that don't warrant a permanent, blanket label, but the holier-than-thou of this forum are the ones who still do.

Lastly, if you made it this far, we differ fundamentally on a certain point, plain and simple. I honestly don't think my "fishy" tag changed the meaning of my post in any way. You do, so there's really nothing for either of us to argue there. I can put down whatever words I want, and people will take them as they will.

[Valar-Wrath]

Ah yes, the double standard. How many posts of yours should I have ignored before you realized that this discussion should have continued in the other thread? Two? Three? There was no need for you to post that unprovoked follow-up after I replied to xey, and by doing so you merely showed an insistance to get something off your chest. Unfortunately I caved and indulged.

Yep, I did have to get something off my chest. But here we are still talking about it so I think this point is moot.

Double standard: you tell me what I did and did not imply but the second I take a stab at what you did and did not imply I'm wrong? Blatant defense mechanism if I ever saw one. "___hole" may not have been the most precise word to use, but "hypocrite" was, and "___hole" and "hypocrite" tend to go together very well in my book. I cannot think of one person I woud call a "hypocrite" that I would not call an "___hole." No, you didn't come right out and call me names, but you sure did imply it.

Ah yes, I knew that would come up. I meant to change that before you responded to it but got a little busy. You're right, I was being a hypocrite there. If I could have changed it I would have changed it to say not that you were wrong but that in no way did I see myself as being an ___hole for anything I accused you of. I merely accused you of something, I didn't lash out at you in anyway, I actually think I stayed pretty calm after the comment that you made that I didn't like. I didn't even think I implied it from the way I worded my posts. That's what I would have said.

I pointed out the flaw, and yes, if battledroid did not have an explanation for that flaw you definitely could consider my post to be implying that he was lying. But, unlike Dahkar's post, I made no direct accusations or, more importantly, any conclusions about this guy's story. I was more than willing to hear his explanation, but none came. Now you may personally think what I did was just as bad as an accusation, but I sure don't. I believe that in most dictionaries "implication" and "accusation" have very different meanings. The world isn't so black and white.

Actually I think implying and accusing are somewhat similar. In my opinion, accusing is just a harsher way of implying something. You didn't accuse, you implied, but either way you thought he was a liar(think you admitted it? oh well if you didn't) And that was what I was getting at. I was telling you to lighten up because you implied to this forum that he was a liar. I can imply to this forum that you're an __hole, not accuse, and still get my point across. :p (Just an example, don't go crazy because you think I called you an __hole :lol: )

While you think my post in the other thread was hypocritical, I'd like to think my post was a pretty good example of lightening up.

I think you got confused on this one. I was calling you a hypocrite in THIS thread, not the other one. And I called you it because of your comment about the forum being holier-than-thou. I think that's why that entire paragraph of yours confused me, heh.

If you remember back to the "Ultimate Hack Dueler" thread Dad Daniel made, there were flaws in his story as well that he could not explain very well either. People ganged up on him, he got defensive and fought back a bit. This just made people flame him even more, and before you knew it the thread was closed. The major difference between that situation and this is the reaction of the original poster. Battledroid, instead of fighting back, just pouted and walked away. Then everybody said, "awww, look at the cute little puppy" and ecouraged him to come back. I'm willing to bet money that if battledroid had responded the way Dad Daniel did (with as little evidence as Dad Daniel had), there'd be a whole lot more people on my side. It's all about the mob psychology in this forum.

Two different people posting and different attitudes of the forum=hard to compare the two, but I'll try. First of all, we all know atleast the partial truth to Daniel's story. Either he had to be exaggerating or lying(I know this sounds really bad after what I've said about lying but it's true.) Not one person disagreed with eachother about something being 'fishy'. Basically what Daniel stated was impossible, that's why it was so easy to call him a liar. Maybe not the correct response but one nonetheless. In Battledroid's post, everything he said could have easily been true, not the most probable thing in the world, but could easily be true. He forgot one fact about what dropped from what(hell, with all those drops, I could even have forgotten) and a few people IMPLY that he is lying. Sure, Battledroid probably should have replied back to your statement to clarify that he was telling the truth, but he didn't. Maybe he didn't see it? Maybe he didn't think he needed to prove his finds to some forum? Who knows? but no response does not automatically mean he's guilty. Take the fifth ammendment for example. :D

Just to touch on the holier-than-thou part, you know what I'm talking about but are clouded by your defensiveness. "The holier-than-thou of this forum" merely refers to a constituent of this forum; it is not a label for the entire forum. Just like one might say, "the homeless of this city," or "the liberals of this nation." I'm talking about the people who jump to conclusions about someone and incessantly talk down to them... the people who refuse to take a person seriously just because they botted for a month back in 1.09 and then realized that it was a waste, or were a member of BM but were still 100% legit (yes there were a few). Actions like that don't warrant a permanent, blanket label, but the holier-than-thou of this forum are the ones who still do.

Anyway, to respond to your holier-than-thou paragraph, mainly because that is why I replied in the first place, you called the WHOLE forum holier-than-thou. You did not say the holier-than-thou people of this forum, that is two totally different things. The way I read it, and also I think the way you typed it, said that everyone on this forum was holier-than-thou and jump on anyone who uses a hack. THAT got me mad because A LOT of people don't do that, some do, many don't. But now that you've explained what you actually meant, it does make more sense and I can see what you meant by it. I just wish it had been worded differently.

Lastly, if you made it this far, we differ fundamentally on a certain point, plain and simple. I honestly don't think my "fishy" tag changed the meaning of my post in any way. You do, so there's really nothing for either of us to argue there. I can put down whatever words I want, and people will take them as they will.

Ah, and yes, I do not see a point to arguing this any further as it will do no good. We clearly have a different opinion on the 'fishy' statement and opinions should not be argued. Which leads me to say that I'm just about done posting here. Care to add any last comments?

Nice argument we had PT, nice argument.

[Ankeli]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

*popcorn*

[LuckyDwarf]

We could write a novel with all the flame here in this forum over the years. And I would read it.

Lucky

[Aerath]

You all use it but would never admit it. When you all go to the Chinese restaurant, I bet everyone orders that favorite dish,
"SUMDUMFUK"...


Use what ? :scratch:
Chinese restaurant ? Rarely actually... I'll admit to take away though.
Used to quite often, but less so in recent days. :D

[Valar-Wrath]

Use what ? :scratch:
Chinese restaurant ? Rarely actually... I'll admit to take away though.
Used to quite often, but less so in recent days. :D

I think he's trying to get his spam count up...or maybe he's just as unintelligent as he seems?