PvP BearSin?

[commandercool]

well im getting kinda bored building regular pvp chars and i have some gear i thought i could make a pvp char with:

beast
duress
ss
gores
dracs
angelics
raven

i was wondering if anyone has ever made a viable pvp bearsin and can i do so with this gear or do i need new gear? or maybe bearsorc?

thanks in advance for any help

[returnoftheclaniraq]

well im getting kinda bored building regular pvp chars and i have some gear i thought i could make a pvp char with:

beast
duress
ss
gores
dracs
angelics
raven

i was wondering if anyone has ever made a viable pvp bearsin and can i do so with this gear or do i need new gear? or maybe bearsorc?

thanks in advance for any help


I actually have a very effective pvp weresin

first look here:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=356664


The main point of it is that you can hit 3 or even 2 frame attacks. Thats twice as fast as zeal.

The problem is that only 1 claw can hit 2 frame attacks:
Artisan's Greater Talons of Quickness, with 3x shael runes

You need 100% ias on your weapon, and it must be base speed -30




So once you do get those (im stuck with fools of quickness), I recommend focusing on poison damage.
Use the speedclaws + venom. Use bramble and trangs gloves, and shadow gcs.

Think about it: 2 frame attack with 4k poison damage. Thats hitting 12.5 times per second.

Just keep in mind: bos or non-weapon ias dont help at all, so use fade.
weapon block doesnt work in bear form, so yah use a shield.

I have this char on useast ladder if you ever want to see

[Weltkriegpally]

Just keep in mind: bos or non-weapon ias dont help at all, so use fade.
weapon block doesnt work in bear form, so yah use a shield.

I have this char on useast ladder if you ever want to see

bos does help werebear attack speeds, and sometimes off weapon ias can be used to help reach a breakpoint. I suggest looking at thedragoons charts rather than his bp table. while the table is accurate, the charts are more so.

--welt

[pAnda_fury]

recently i've done some experimenting with bearsins and on single player i've made a bearsin focusing on poison damage, and a bearsin focusing on physical damage. These are the two setups i came up with:

weresin(physical)

coa - cham/30max
fort
pheonix
rare runic talon with 400+ed, fools mod, 40ias, socketed with 2 shaels or 2ed/ias - im not sure whats better
dracs
verdungo
gores
angelic combo

weresin(poison)

guillames w/ ber
bramble
100ias g-talon
trangs glove/belt
ss w/ ber
gores
angelic combo

I havent dueled anyone yet, but i took them both through the frigid highlands and they slaughtered well.

The coolest thing is the ethereal look of the bear (from fade) and the blue outline which occurs when hit while the shiver armor from fort is active. Looks way cool! :lol:

The attack speed was very fast, under 4 fpa im sure. However, it was a bit dodgy with some hits missing - or so it seemed. However, I will look more into this, because it could have been the bearsin's slow hit recovery or block rate that was the problem...

)pAnda(

[lCE]

Oh man, sounds really exciting, can u really reach 2 fpa with this O_o, step over any melee zealots, werewolves and the like :clap: .

[Arbedark]

1 Serious question.

What good is 2 Frame attack going to be for venom when it takes .4 of a second to apply? Reapplying venom any quicker than this is pointess really.







Arb

[commandercool]

this sounds like a very intresting build, im guessing its only good vs melee?

what skills should i max? (since you cant use to much in bear form)
Venom
Fade
SM
CM
??

max block or no?

[lCE]

Venom - no, but physical dmg and CB would be very nice.

[Arbedark]

Venom - no, but physical dmg and CB would be very nice.

The physical damage would be negliable. And CB in pvp is useless isnt it?

I'd rather do 2 x the physical damage at 4 frames.

Would be easier to get, and would have exact same damage output over time.






Arb

[lCE]

Not really, u could use the same trick that werebears use with low dmg weapons. That means - 120 max armor, 30 max jewel in helm + phoenix shield, 3/20/20 or similar in inventory should give u at least 4k dmg. That at 2 frames is a killer my friend. I mentioned CB for pvm mainly.

[sheepe2004]

1 Serious question.

What good is 2 Frame attack going to be for venom when it takes .4 of a second to apply? Reapplying venom any quicker than this is pointess really.

not really, 3/4 attacks get blocked and quite a few will miss

[jokermwx]

I tried this before and my main problem was AR. How are you guys getting a high AR to get hits in? Most Pallys and Barbs will have over5k life and 39k def.

[pAnda_fury]

I tried this before and my main problem was AR. How are you guys getting a high AR to get hits in? Most Pallys and Barbs will have over5k life and 39k def.

angelics should get you to atleast 18k AR i think. and thats not too shabby.

if even that isnt good enough, maybe hsarus belt/boots is an option?

)pAnda(

[deadreligion]

I actually have a very effective pvp weresin

first look here:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=356664


The main point of it is that you can hit 3 or even 2 frame attacks. Thats twice as fast as zeal.

The problem is that only 1 claw can hit 2 frame attacks:
Artisan's Greater Talons of Quickness, with 3x shael runes

You need 100% ias on your weapon, and it must be base speed -30




So once you do get those (im stuck with fools of quickness), I recommend focusing on poison damage.
Use the speedclaws + venom. Use bramble and trangs gloves, and shadow gcs.

Think about it: 2 frame attack with 4k poison damage. Thats hitting 12.5 times per second.

Just keep in mind: bos or non-weapon ias dont help at all, so use fade.
weapon block doesnt work in bear form, so yah use a shield.

I have this char on useast ladder if you ever want to see

Except Venom poison lasts 10 frames, so at 4k poison damage you can't hit above 10k a second, regardless of how many times you hit.

[lCE]

angelics should get you to atleast 18k AR i think. and thats not too shabby.

if even that isnt good enough, maybe hsarus belt/boots is an option?

)pAnda(

Claw mastery + angelics + demon limb enchant. 10 max/7x AR/lifes in inventory. I doubt hsarus would be needed with that setup, but if u like u may use it of course, just lose 15% dr from dungos.

[souperiraq]

Even with 2 frame attack, 75% of your hits are blocked, and maybe 1/2 miss depending on who you duel.

So 10 frames between each hit isn't a real nerf. If you are constantly being drained by venom, it HURTS. 4k over 10 frames = 10k per second. Ouchies.

And yarr I get my AR from fools claw + angelics + claw mastery. Plenty of AR (I hit at 20k w/o enchant, 30k with)

[lCE]

I would try this, if only i wouldnt have to go through the trouble of trading stuff, ****ing hate it, its impossible to trade anything those days.
U have fools greater talon of quickness? Lucky u :)

Checked the calc, seems like 2 frames is impossible to obtain, it would require 91% ias on a claw, and no amount of SkillIAS (read: BOS) will take u from 3 frames to 2. So we r stuck at 3 frames really. (meh). Id rather make a kicksin tbh, 2 frames and much higher dmg output.

[claniraqi]

I would try this, if only i wouldnt have to go through the trouble of trading stuff, ****ing hate it, its impossible to trade anything those days.
U have fools greater talon of quickness? Lucky u :)

Checked the calc, seems like 2 frames is impossible to obtain, it would require 91% ias on a claw, and no amount of SkillIAS (read: BOS) will take u from 3 frames to 2. So we r stuck at 3 frames really. (meh). Id rather make a kicksin tbh, 2 frames and much higher dmg output.


No, there is *one* claw that reaches the 2 frame bp. You need artisan's greater talons of quickness- 40% ias + 3x shael = 100% ias.


But as far as kickers, 2 frames is a lost wish.
For werebear, it goes:
2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect

For kicker, it goes:
~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect


So not quite the damage output ;)

[lCE]

No, there is *one* claw that reaches the 2 frame bp. You need artisan's greater talons of quickness- 40% ias + 3x shael = 100% ias.


But as far as kickers, 2 frames is a lost wish.
For werebear, it goes:
2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect

For kicker, it goes:
~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect


So not quite the damage output ;)

Heh, me = owned :). Gonna search for that claw from now on.

[jokermwx]

No, there is *one* claw that reaches the 2 frame bp. You need artisan's greater talons of quickness- 40% ias + 3x shael = 100% ias.

Well I've run in-n-out of that red portal all day( got a 3traps 2LS claw :thumbsup: )!! Blizzard is ****ing w/ me too!! I found jeweler's and artisan's many times, but w/ garbage. Then I thought it was all over....saw fool's mod, 3 socs, 30ias, BUT!! it was blade talons!!!! I wanted to cry...darn :( .

[commandercool]

yeah once i saw fools greater talons, 2 sockets, 10%ias. o i was pissed 10% more ias and they would have hit 3 frame attack with shael and ias jewel!

right now i have grandmasters blade talons of swiftness (3 frame once i socket), but yeah i wish i had something better

[stoutewolf]

is this build made to be an unique char, or for raw killing power?


whirlwind sin=same dmg, 2frame attack,and more mobile/versatile ;x


if a bearsin could dragonflight in bearform tho(which it can't) it would have potential (and it would prolly be nice to see a 10k kgs bear give someoe a high kick -.-)

[Davie.]

Its not for raw killing power.