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Best weapon(s) for a kicker in pvp? (mainly against casters)
1)C/S weapon
2)C/C weapons
Mr.Grimmy
10-06-2005, 18:50
For C/S setup I would recommend a lacerator. The effects of amplify damage are awesome on a kicker. That being said, claw/shield is more designed towards melee dueling, and perhaps windys (stormshield gives you nice physical damage reduction)
For caster killing, I prefer the claw/claw setup. I usually end up using a bartucs and jade talon. I shael'd the jade, and have a resist all jewel in the bartucs. This gives me stacked resists, and even with only 1 point invested in weapon block i get 57% blocking. Because your claws can block most elemental spells this is superior to the use of shield.
Good luck to you
already got 90/90/95/90 in hell
and azuewrath with perf sanc in blade barrier
need just the best weapons, price dsn't matter :thumbsup:
Mr.Grimmy
10-06-2005, 20:55
Well If money is no option i would go with a lacerator for the w/s combo, and then use chaos/chaos for claw claw. The magic damage, open wounds, ias, and +str are very nice. Or dual bartucs socketed with something good.
already got 90/90/95/90 in hell
and azuewrath with perf sanc in blade barrier
need just the best weapons, price dsn't matter :thumbsup:
just tried lacerator and sucks pretty well, azuewrath is better.but need the best weapon.
and for the c/c I was thinking for using fury/jade.
---> IAS,OW,DS,ITD and AR bonus / + res,FHR and the +skills.
much better then chaos/chaos...
HaLoPhReAk
10-06-2005, 22:34
stregnth rune word...?? why hasn't any one said that one? well i use it, any way, does crushing blow work on pvp? how does the addition of the percentage work?
Speederländer
10-06-2005, 22:53
C/S:
Lacerator or Death's Web
C/C:
Chaos
Fury (best vs. defensive types and people you need to wear down)
Mr.Grimmy
11-06-2005, 05:25
just tried lacerator and sucks pretty well, azuewrath is better.but need the best weapon.
and for the c/c I was thinking for using fury/jade.
---> IAS,OW,DS,ITD and AR bonus / + res,FHR and the +skills.
much better then chaos/chaos...
Ahh, but the ignore target def , ar bonus, and deadly strike do not contribute to your kicks....
The ow, ias, and - 25% target def do work though, and are very nice.
Ahh, but the ignore target def , ar bonus, and deadly strike do not contribute to your kicks....
The ow, ias, and - 25% target def do work though, and are very nice.
Actually, the ar% bonus DOES add to your kicks, at least on the LCS. I don't know if it actually effects them, but the game thinks it does... at least, the % on bartucs does.
My bet for c/c is fury in a -30 base claw, and a nice jade with a 15% res jewel in it... preferrably with a nice second mod.
c/s, I'd think beast in the lowest base possible (Ettin, I think?) with stormsheild would be a beautiful thing... but mostly for melee.
Edit :: Ettin is a bad choice.. 10 base. A zerker would give 0 base, or a war spike -10. Beast in a war spike should give enough ias to hit 7 frame initial, 3 frame follow up (I heard 2 is possible, and if so this would hit that - but if not, it still hits 3 :p ) and 9 frame traps, if I am not mistaken. Leaving the rest of your gear free of ias requirements.
TerrorClown
13-06-2005, 00:26
I use a beast on my kicker it is realy giving a great speed boost and a wearbear with fade just looks awsome. :clap:
grief pb for c/s kicker, mighty...
Speederländer
13-06-2005, 03:23
grief pb for c/s kicker, mighty...
Are you just trying to mess with people? Grief doesn't work with kicks.
Are you just trying to mess with people? Grief doesn't work with kicks.
o really? I thought it was the same thing to smite...
no guide say it doesnt work on dtalon.
Speederländer
13-06-2005, 03:41
o really? I thought it is the same thing to smite...
no guide say it doesnt work on dtalon.
It doesn't work on talon. There are a lot of things guides don't say. That doesn't make them true.
It doesn't work on talon. There are a lot of things guides don't say. That doesn't make them true.
did someone test it? or did u?
Speederländer
13-06-2005, 03:51
did someone test it? or did u?
I have and so have about 10 other assassin forum members. Most of us, the day the new runewords came out. This grief question gets asked here every few weeks and the answer is always the same. No.
AKA_PorcheBendr
13-06-2005, 04:40
I use last wish phase Its pretty awesome lvl 18Might +60-70 CB 10% to cast life tap which is a life saver it casts like every few kicks I dont even need LL with it. Great for pvp also. ;) . Only downside is it casts fade every now and again causing me to have to recast BoS.
HaLoPhReAk
13-06-2005, 07:34
c/c defense can block caster stuff, but the c/s has resis's, but i would go with the resis's cuz the caster stuff is ele, and ele goes to resis's, so ya.... if ur kick sin, use sheild, if u not kick, but melee then cc i guess.... argg confusing myself lol.... well what ever....its really debatable, so pick what ever the hell you want :drool: :rant: :rant:
got now Eth fleshripper and its vrry nice for c/s
Dad Daniel
14-06-2005, 20:04
got now Eth fleshripper and its vrry nice for c/s
I need myself this item!
Man in whcih realm you realm you are playing?
HaLoPhReAk
14-06-2005, 22:59
a kingslayer in a long sword would be the best... 50% open wounds, and 33% crushing blow, and 1 to vengance...i think this would be definetly the best weapon...right? ("c"/s)
Speederländer
15-06-2005, 01:38
Look folks, the only reason you go claw-shield as a kicker is because you specifically want to duel barbs or something. In PvP, claw-shield is inferior to claw-claw in every match-up but against barbs. Maybe it's good vs. the 2 or 3 wolf druids left on bnet. :rolleyes:
You will never beat a decent pally by going claw-shield. Note: I said DECENT. I'm sure you will be lots of mediocre pallys. The good ones will smite you dead in about 3 seconds, even with lacerator. With the claws, you at least can block the smites. By definition, a decent melee pally will use exile, and they WILL trigger lifetap.
You may do ok actually as pure melee c/s if you make a titan build, as you dish out damage so fast that you will get some kills. But if you lose the initiative AT ALL, you are dead. Again, this is only vs. other melee. Any caster that dies to a titan kicker either wasn't very good to begin with or simply got surprised the first time and will never allow it to happen again.
For claw/shield, the best weapons are:
1. Lacerator.
2. Death's Web
3. Lawbringer (for casting decrep)
4. Chaos claw (for magic damage, CtC, ias, and the occasional whirl away)
Open wounds is pointless for c/s unless you're fighting a barb. If you are a c/s melee kicker, you either kill your opponent in just a few seconds or you're dead. You likely don't have fast cast, and so minimal mobility from tele, if you wear enigma. If you think that you're going to "hit-and-run" with open wounds, the occasional kick and BoS, think again. That will only work vs. bad barbs (and the druids :( ). And when you run, your defense = 0 and your block drops to 30% or 33% or whatever it is. You WILL die to desync WW.
This is why my teleporting c/c build can kill more barbs with stun, MB, and the well-timed MB-tele-WW flash than running c/s melee kick specialists. I always have max block and full defense (even if my defense affords not a lot of protection). Further, I have real mobility with teleport. Running vs. barbs as a kicker is imaginary mobility (if the barb is any good).
Finally, crushing blow has been shown to not be worth any effort to increase the mod or even GET the mod at the expense of ANYTHING else. If you happen to have it, fine. But don't spend any effort to get it.
HaLoPhReAk
15-06-2005, 04:31
here's some stuff i'm confused about what you said speedlander:
1.Defense = 0 when you're running?
2.So you are saying about every mod that has even been considered for a kick sin is pointless? (pvm mods dont work on pvp?)
3. Crushing blow works a lot on every person I have pvp'd... and it especially works well in pvm.
4.Use c/c on a kick sin? With the sheild you will get so many good all around mod's that you can't get on most claws (Besides the resis's on jade talon).
-HaLoPhReAk
Speederländer
15-06-2005, 06:09
here's some stuff i'm confused about what you said speedlander:
1.Defense = 0 when you're running?
Yes.
2.So you are saying about every mod that has even been considered for a kick sin is pointless? (pvm mods dont work on pvp?)
No, I'm not saying that at all.
3. Crushing blow works a lot on every person I have pvp'd... and it especially works well in pvm.
You just think it has worked a lot on every person you've ever pvp'd.
4.Use c/c on a kick sin? With the sheild you will get so many good all around mod's that you can't get on most claws (Besides the resis's on jade talon).
There is no shield mod that is equal to being able to block almost every attack in the game at 60%. Further, off hand claws can carry high res, fhr, str, dex, etc. etc.
HaLoPhReAk
15-06-2005, 06:32
ok, i get most of what you said (when i dueled ppl with 75% cb (i know it isn't = to that in pvp) saw my kick do twice as much damage as it did the previouse ones, about 20% of the time.) but when you said "off hand claws" does that mean if i had 2 jade talon's on my switch, would i get +100 (if i had 2 perf jade's) resis's while having those on 2nd, (if jade's arent in use, on my switch!!)???. I heard that the 60% chance of blocking w/ the dual claws can also block elemental attacks, and magic attacks, etc.; is this true? I mainly play pvm, and I get killed by elemental stuff a lot, and i just cant seem to get it so that my resis's are high (i use the stregnth runeword so that i get crushing blow.) should i make it out of a claw so i can have it, also is it possible to get 2 soc claw w/ good resis's; that i can make runeword out of. is it worth having it so that i can have high damage, or should i really get some jade talon's, and hopefully the +2 to MA would compensate for my loss of CB.
-HaLoPhReAk
:rolleyes:
OW Pwns sooooooo hard if you'r over lvl 90...
CB not good in pvp ??? ever dueled a smiter with high CB? I think not...
btw chaos for nice dmg ??? exept of ww it sucks.. use an Azuewrath instead...
Btw I'm On EU realm
Speederländer
15-06-2005, 18:11
CB not good in pvp ??? ever dueled a smiter with high CB? I think not...
Wrong. How about this. You bring your crushing blow assassin and I'll bring my non-CB assassin and we'll see what happens? In any event, the CB discussion has been had here already. Unless you have the numbers to back up your claims, don't pretend you know for sure what is actually going on with the damage.
btw chaos for nice dmg ??? exept of ww it sucks.. use an Azuewrath instead...
Read what has already been discussed before providing the well reasoned position that something "sucks".
if you are EU realmed I invite you for a wwsin battle :p
Btw why do you think chaos is better then azue"um"?
(not counting on the ww ofc.)
Since there are some PvP experts in this thread, I'd like to pick your brains about something.
Can any one tell me with any sense of certainty how exactly Weapon Block works? Does it block (or is it penalized) when you're standing still? Attacking? Shift-attacking? Walking? Running?
Thanks
Crushing blow isn't anything special in pvp, but it's not as bad as most people on this board think. 1/10th of their life isn't a ton of damage but it can help.
Crushing blow isn't anything special in pvp, but it's not as bad as most people on this board think. 1/10th of their life isn't a ton of damage but it can help.
yeps,
add venom,OW, and DS and an assassin (+lvl90) :cool: does pretty nice dmg :thumbsup:
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