BEST Weapon for Frenzy Barb?

[MasterWolf]

I saw the guide, but there were so many options, so I have to ask you guys...

Assuming that cost is no problem, what is the OPTIMAL weapons in all aspects for a Frenzy Barb. I'm building him for fun, but hope that he will be strong enough to solo Hell and Baal, and that's pretty much all I ask. I'm looking for best all around weapons, so I know what to get before I build him, and would like them to be the same weap class to Maximize Mastery Usage.

I'm thinking 2 Ebotz or 1 Ebotz and 1 Beast (can u make in a zerker?).

All help is appreciated.

[bluedragoon]

I saw the guide, but there were so many options, so I have to ask you guys...

Assuming that cost is no problem, what is the OPTIMAL weapons in all aspects for a Frenzy Barb. I'm building him for fun, but hope that he will be strong enough to solo Hell and Baal, and that's pretty much all I ask. I'm looking for best all around weapons, so I know what to get before I build him, and would like them to be the same weap class to Maximize Mastery Usage.

I'm thinking 2 Ebotz or 1 Ebotz and 1 Beast (can u make in a zerker?).

All help is appreciated.
both sound nice, buth beast doesnt do a lot of dmg, but does give u more speed and very high dmg with botd. beast can be made in zerker

[jordy666]

2 eth zod stormlashes

-jordy :king:

[Taz]

2 eth zod stormlashes

-jordy :king:
I`m really curious how those will look in action.

[Ash Housewares]

well, strong enough is easy, I didn't write the guide until my guy had soloed baal, killed DC, and all that other fun stuff and he wasn't using any pricey runewords

[MasterWolf]

But Ash, the problem is you left us with a LOT of options at all the gear, but I didn't see an "optimal" or "best possible" gear listing. Assuming I can afford it, I'd like to know what he SHOULD wear to be the best he can be, within reason. You listed Azurewrath, but isn't an EBotDZ better? If so, I'd rather buy some of those. I just was confused on what the best gear for him would be, because you gave so many options. Which in no way whatsoever is a BAD thing, but I was just curious, cause I've only ever built one barb in my life, and that was a 1.9 Berserker.

[Ash Housewares]

But Ash, the problem is you left us with a LOT of options at all the gear, but I didn't see an "optimal" or "best possible" gear listing. Assuming I can afford it, I'd like to know what he SHOULD wear to be the best he can be, within reason. You listed Azurewrath, but isn't an EBotDZ better? If so, I'd rather buy some of those. I just was confused on what the best gear for him would be, because you gave so many options. Which in no way whatsoever is a BAD thing, but I was just curious, cause I've only ever built one barb in my life, and that was a 1.9 Berserker.

as for whats best, I didn't test everything, I had intended to, but never got to it, the guide was intended more as a poor mans or early ladder rushers untwinked guide than a high budget thing, and now there are new runewords I've never tried

anyways, I wanted to spend as little time on the equipment section as necessary so that everyone could make their own decisions, doing alot of damage fast is good for any build so fast high damage weapons like ebotd are of course going to do well, and no repair cost is nice too

[taydar]

I beat hell ball with a lightsabre and an azurewrath. Frenzy rocks.

[Phil]

Along the line of weapon changes, as long as you can get LL and ML from other sources, how about dual eth Deathcleavers?

phil

edit: along with 37% Deadly Strike from highlords and 22% Crit. Strike from mastery, you get about 102-103% chance for double damage.(although its prolly capped at 95% like most things)

[Ash Housewares]

Along the line of weapon changes, as long as you can get LL and ML from other sources, how about dual eth Deathcleavers?

phil

edit: along with 37% Deadly Strike from highlords and 22% Crit. Strike from mastery, you get about 102-103% chance for double damage.(although its prolly capped at 95% like most things)

I used 2x regular death cleavers, I liked the LS/Azure combo better for the versatiliy with sanctuary and elemental damage, but eth DCs could do well with proper complementing gear, my guy does ok but he's really at a loss vs. PI, easily enough countered though

[rikstaker]

Along the line of weapon changes, as long as you can get LL and ML from other sources, how about dual eth Deathcleavers?

phil

edit: along with 37% Deadly Strike from highlords and 22% Crit. Strike from mastery, you get about 102-103% chance for double damage.(although its prolly capped at 95% like most things)

Deadly/critical isnt capped. :).

Rik

[itsPizzarific]

i just finished mine, used doom/beast. a lot of fun. :)

its a pain in teh (omg) repairing after every game though. =o

[lCE]

How about dual last wish phases? :), or LW cb + phase if u wanted a bit more physical dmg, u would have 100% cb, lvl 34 might, constantly casting life tap, have fade on u 100% of the time, and get some mf to boot, low physical damage wouldnt really matter because each hit would carry crushing blow.
With standard barb boot choice (gores) u would have ~85% cb on each weapon, if u added 20% ias 10% cb gloves u would have 95%.

[Kull]

How about dual last wish phases? :), or LW cb + phase if u wanted a bit more physical dmg, u would have 100% cb, lvl 34 might, constantly casting life tap, have fade on u 100% of the time, and get some mf to boot, low physical damage wouldnt really matter because each hit would carry crushing blow.
With standard barb boot choice (gores) u would have ~85% cb on each weapon, if u added 20% ias 10% cb gloves u would have 95%.

Afaik might aura wouldn't be doubled but altering between the 2 lvl 17 ones ..... CB works until you reach half of the monsters life then you have to kill him with your phisycal/ele etc. damage

[riplix]

Afaik might aura wouldn't be doubled but altering between the 2 lvl 17 ones ..... CB works until you reach half of the monsters life then you have to kill him with your phisycal/ele etc. damage

you mixed up cb and static. iirc cb will work below 50% but has diminishing. the lower the targets life the less the effect of cb. static stops @ 50% life.

last wish is imo underrated and a nice option for frenzy. fade, lifetap, itd and cb make this a hell of a weapon. but downsides (extremely expensive, might can be provided by a merc, rather low dmg in pbs) have to be considered.

imo a frenzy setup is highly dependent on a good might merc with pride and a smart and complementing choice of gear oc.

fortitude + might + conc should keep your dmg and ar skyhigh. from this point you lack a group killer and this is static -> eth stormlash. downside of eth stormlash is the mace route which limits the choice a lot -> another eth sl or oath scourge.

otherwise i don't see a need for doom in pvm unless hc (eth dc neither, ow makes this a pvp top choice). grief, botd are the ususal outstanding candidates.

[Ash Housewares]

you mixed up cb and static. iirc cb will work below 50% but has diminishing. the lower the targets life the less the effect of cb. static stops @ 50% life.

last wish is imo underrated and a nice option for frenzy. fade, lifetap, itd and cb make this a hell of a weapon. but downsides (extremely expensive, might can be provided by a merc, rather low dmg in pbs) have to be considered.

imo a frenzy setup is highly dependent on a good might merc with pride and a smart and complementing choice of gear oc.

fortitude + might + conc should keep your dmg and ar skyhigh. from this point you lack a group killer and this is static -> eth stormlash. downside of eth stormlash is the mace route which limits the choice a lot -> another eth sl or oath scourge.

otherwise i don't see a need for doom in pvm unless hc (eth dc neither, ow makes this a pvp top choice). grief, botd are the ususal outstanding candidates.

I really think great equipment is overvalued, I didn't even use a merc, I had decent gear, I did fine, if you want optimum stuff, then go for it, but I don't see how you'd be dependent on a might merc when you could be unkillable

[Herald of Doom]

Seriously, dual Stormlashes are all you need. Fancy runewords or not, you can't argue with static+cb for pvm. Gface+gores+2*stormlash will kill so fast Baal will be crying for his mum. Especially ethereal Stormlashes rock, though it isn't necessary. I mean, suuuure, you could use Lastwish and Grief, but aren't dual scourges a lot more stylish? :thumbsup:

HoD

[Ash Housewares]

Seriously, dual Stormlashes are all you need. Fancy runewords or not, you can't argue with static+cb for pvm. Gface+gores+2*stormlash will kill so fast Baal will be crying for his mum. Especially ethereal Stormlashes rock, though it isn't necessary. I mean, suuuure, you could use Lastwish and Grief, but aren't dual scourges a lot more stylish? :thumbsup:

HoD

I was never able to acquire stormlashes so I wasn't able to test them otherwise I'd be singing their praises

that's a big nudgenudge winkwink gib free plz!!1

[Herald of Doom]

I was never able to acquire stormlashes so I wasn't able to test them otherwise I'd be singing their praises

that's a big nudgenudge winkwink gib free plz!!1
Well, I can tell from experience that:

a) Doombringers aren't good for frenzy (deleted swordfrenzy barb)
b) Nords+Schaefers rocks
c) Nords+ Stormlash is better than b)
d) that dual Stormlash is better than c)

I haven't tested ethereal ones, because I think Frenzy barbs should be cheap ^_^ But I've seen people use Beast+Doom, 2*BotD BA, Beast+BA, and I still think static+cb rocks :teeth:

PS: No free for y00, unless you're on EuNL :p

HoD

[Ash Housewares]

Well, I can tell from experience that:

a) Doombringers aren't good for frenzy (deleted swordfrenzy barb)
b) Nords+Schaefers rocks
c) Nords+ Stormlash is better than b)
d) that dual Stormlash is better than c)

I haven't tested ethereal ones, because I think Frenzy barbs should be cheap ^_^ But I've seen people use Beast+Doom, 2*BotD BA, Beast+BA, and I still think static+cb rocks :teeth:

PS: No free for y00, unless you're on EuNL :p

HoD

yech, doombringer stinks, weaken makes it useless

[RTB]

Afaik might aura wouldn't be doubled but altering between the 2 lvl 17 ones ..... CB works until you reach half of the monsters life then you have to kill him with your phisycal/ele etc. damage
They're added actually. With two Last Wish weapons you'd have a Slvl 34 Might.

[riplix]

I really think great equipment is overvalued, I didn't even use a merc, I had decent gear, I did fine, if you want optimum stuff, then go for it, but I don't see how you'd be dependent on a might merc when you could be unkillable

well... he was asking
"what is the OPTIMAL weapons in all aspects for a Frenzy Barb"

and if you'd like to tell me that a merc slows your killing speed, i can't take this seriously. all aspects include the choice of a merc and his equip.

if you wanna state that you don't need top gear to play a frenzier successfully you are right but you are simply in the wrong thread ;)

[MonsterSlayer]

what would be best 2x LW with a fana rogue or 2x Beast with a conc/might merc?

[Kull]

you mixed up cb and static. iirc cb will work below 50% but has diminishing. the lower the targets life the less the effect of cb. static stops @ 50% life.

didn't mix up just remembered that they work in the same way .... thx for correction

[IK-Imhotep]

I have a frenzy barb that uses botd phase and azure and he's fast and deadly. I have solo'd baal in an 8 player game and DC in a 4 player game.

[Omikron8]

Optimal pvm frenzy weapons disregarding cost?

Dual ethereal zod'ed stormlashes.

Static Field + High Damage + Insane attacking speed + 33% CB on each weapon --> Total obliteration.

Before stormlash came around it was fury :)

[Doll Call]

i use ethereal horizons, and ethereal stormlash (not to mention it looks cooler then 2x stormlash)... and i found that to be an excellent combination. i also use my base level frenzy on my whirler with beast/grief and it owns bad.

[Ash Housewares]

well... he was asking
"what is the OPTIMAL weapons in all aspects for a Frenzy Barb"

and if you'd like to tell me that a merc slows your killing speed, i can't take this seriously. all aspects include the choice of a merc and his equip.

if you wanna state that you don't need top gear to play a frenzier successfully you are right but you are simply in the wrong thread ;)

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about

whether you imagined I said certain things or what, as to your wrong thread baloney, I was responding to individual posts, when you say a frenzy barb is highly dependent on a might merc then I am going to offer a differing opinion because I was successful without one, a might merc will help, but to suggest it's necessity is contrary to my experience

[shaftstop]

Hehe as a successful frenzy barb myself I didn't have uber gear either, by end game ladder i had perf arreats + Azurewrath / Light saber as my best gear all founded myself, rest of my gear was levithan and Ik armor (boots/hgloves/belt) and some crappy AR/life leech rings like 100ar 4% ll or something, I was able to solo hell baal in a full game, merc I used was Blessed Aim actually with Duriell Shell and Unique Polearm and that MF helm bah can't remember now its been awhile but it was called ...Steelskull or something lol. really nothing fancy at all.
I couldn't see myself using anything else but Saber/wrath combo, tbh, the stats are on them are just so nice i thought about possibly using axes like Death Clever but all thats going to do is give me a few more HP imo

[riplix]

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about

whether you imagined I said certain things or what, as to your wrong thread baloney, I was responding to individual posts, when you say a frenzy barb is highly dependent on a might merc then I am going to offer a differing opinion because I was successful without one, a might merc will help, but to suggest it's necessity is contrary to my experience


I really think great equipment is overvalued, I didn't even use a merc, I had decent gear, I did fine, if you want optimum stuff, then go for it, but I don't see how you'd be dependent on a might merc when you could be unkillable


this thread is about the OPTIMAL frenzy barb. what you say about top end gear being overrated and not necessary (if i got that one right) is correct but simply doesn't fit in a thread where someone asks for help building the optimal frenzy barb. it's pretty obvious that you don't need top end gear to be able to play successfully.

it's like having a desire for chocolate and someone gives you sugar and says "you don't need chocolate, eat sugar instead. it's cheaper and also sweet" ;)
it simply doesn't help.


i do NOT state that a merc is neccessary for a frenzy barb to be effective but i do say, that if you want "optimal" effectiveness your best bet is to use a merc and take care that his gear "optimally" supports your barb.

a merc increases your own damage, tanks and kills himself. so he increases killing speed AND survivability. so IMO a pvm barb won't be "optimal" without a merc since you can't get optimal killingspeed and survivabilty without one.

[Ash Housewares]

this thread is about the OPTIMAL frenzy barb. what you say about top end gear being overrated and not necessary (if i got that one right) is correct but simply doesn't fit in a thread where someone asks for help building the optimal frenzy barb. it's pretty obvious that you don't need top end gear to be able to play successfully.


uh huh, that's the thread title, this is what the guy said


I'm building him for fun, but hope that he will be strong enough to solo Hell and Baal, and that's pretty much all I ask

so I told him that he doesn't need the very best weapons because frenzy barbs are strong enough to suit his needs with simpler and cheaper gear

why do you feel the need to attack me on this? Frenzy barb is a great build, I don't want people to think they have to blow the bank to make it work, they don't have to, so I tell them as much

??

[riplix]

uh huh, that's the thread title, this is what the guy said



so I told him that he doesn't need the very best weapons because frenzy barbs are strong enough to suit his needs with simpler and cheaper gear

why do you feel the need to attack me on this? Frenzy barb is a great build, I don't want people to think they have to blow the bank to make it work, they don't have to, so I tell them as much

??

no offense intended, mate. just a vivid discussion ;)
the thread starter was a bit vague (optimal vs. able to solo baal) and both of us seemed to have argued from a different position. sorry for the misunderstanding, didn't have the inital post in mind that detailed.

[Ash Housewares]

I may be a bit touchy recently, it seems like I'm being called out on everything and I'm sick of defending myself

I also like to point out that a frenzy barb can solo hell with a toothpick and a pointed stick if he has to because he is such a friggin badass, pardon my bias

[psych]

My baba uses an eth oath champion sword and an eth death collossus sword, he seems to do great, only problem is physical immunes.

[Kull]

I just started a frenzy barb (atm he is like lvl10) and have a question: on mules I have 1x 36/386 grief pb and 1x destruction pb (this was used by my pala until he got his LW pb ....), would that be a viable combo? seems noone considered destruction so far (or I overlooked it ...), in this case I wouldn't have trade/made weaps for him.
thx!

p.s. sorry for OT, but I would need help on belt and armor as well, so:
CoH or Fort? (atm I don't have any of these)
pSoE or 32/14 Verdungo or Nos Coil? (atm I have the 1st 2 belts)

[Decebal]

I just started a frenzy barb (atm he is like lvl10) and have a question: on mules I have 1x 36/386 grief pb and 1x destruction pb (this was used by my pala until he got his LW pb ....), would that be a viable combo? seems noone considered destruction so far (or I overlooked it ...), in this case I wouldn't have trade/made weaps for him.
thx!

p.s. sorry for OT, but I would need help on belt and armor as well, so:
CoH or Fort? (atm I don't have any of these)
pSoE or 32/14 Verdungo or Nos Coil? (atm I have the 1st 2 belts)

I would use Fortitude for armor and for belt i would use String of Ears if u play PvM!

Grief phase + destruction phase = should work nicely

Remember that phase blades requires investing in dexterity.

DUAL BOTD ethereal colossus blades are another option! :D

/Dec

[Kull]

I would use Fortitude for armor and for belt i would use String of Ears if u play PvM!

yes I play only PVM


Grief phase + destruction phase = should work nicely

Remember that phase blades requires investing in dexterity.
/Dec

uhh I forgot to calculate with the high dex .... my goal was to build a barb with minimal dex investment ... I will think about other options as well.

p.s. I forgot in my original post, how about enigma for a barb? (or is it needed only in PVP?)

[Decebal]

yes I play only PVM



uhh I forgot to calculate with the high dex .... my goal was to build a barb with minimal dex investment ... I will think about other options as well.

p.s. I forgot in my original post, how about enigma for a barb? (or is it needed only in PVP?)

Enigma for dua wielders barbs so called barb vs casters are used a lot! telleport + ww = instant death for many chars! Best combo here are BA Grief + BA Beast! Ladder ofc...

Enigma for a barb when playing PVM i dont think is a good idea...besides teleporting around! :D

/Dec

[Ash Housewares]

Destruction has cast delay chance to cast spells which is a hassle with the frequency you'll be swinging at

[MasterWolf]

No fighting in my thread!!

Ok, so I have currently in my arsenal:
Grief Zerker
Grief PB
Azurewrath
EBotDZ
Beast Zerker
Death Ettin Axe

In ya'lls opinion, which of the above two would be best. I want two answers:

a) To deal with the widest variety of monsters in game
b) To duel

NO FIGHTING!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kull]

MasterWolf

Grief pb and Azure make nice combo in case you got high dex otherwise choose any 2 of the zerkers .... ettin axe has the worst base speed of these items and death runeword doesn't have ias thus I wouldn't use it

[Taz]

a), b) grief zerker / beast zerker

[MasterWolf]

Grief over Ebotdz? Wow, that's a surprize for me.

[DummyUp]

Hello Fellas.
Like to add my 2 cents. Ash and I share the same opinion about frenzy Barbs.
There are the greatest and most Fun.
In regards to equipement, those of us who are poor, must become creative.
I have several frenzy barbs with various equip. and different merc's.
By far the easiest one to play with total tomdstone courage is one with the following.
Lawbringer(AmnLemKo seraph rod) and Honor(AmnElIthTirSol Knout)
Duress
gores
highlords
arreats
layine of hands
crendium belt
raven
carrion wind

I use an act1 rogue with a Edge rw (TirTalAmn) in a spider bow.

The only problem I have incurred (time consuming) are superunq. with PI stoneskin, cold/fire immun, with a might or fana aura.

In closing, There are no uber weapons for frenzy. it's all personal choice/affordablity. For whatever you decide to use that frenzy barb is gonna
Roll come Hell or highwater.

[Kull]

They're added actually. With two Last Wish weapons you'd have a Slvl 34 Might.


Does that mean using 2x beast weapons you get Slvl 18 fanaticism with all the bonuses?
thx!

[RTB]

That is correct.

[phatskat]

if you are on non-ladder and price is no option, theres a sword(s) out there that are eth glitched from 09, 15% superior, and socketed with Fury, i think its a balrog blade. That is the best imo its awesome because of the mods and 5 to frenzy...if you somehow got your hands on two you have a pretty sick combo

[norvi11erogers]

if you are on non-ladder and price is no option, theres a sword(s) out there that are eth glitched from 09, 15% superior, and socketed with Fury, i think its a balrog blade. That is the best imo its awesome because of the mods and 5 to frenzy...if you somehow got your hands on two you have a pretty sick combo

Optimal pvm frenzy weapons disregarding cost?

Dual ethereal zod'ed stormlashes.

Static Field + High Damage + Insane attacking speed + 33% CB on each weapon --> Total obliteration.

Before stormlash came around it was fury :)

fiction. before stormlash (ie 1.09), dual schaefers was the best frenzy weapon. You would put a shael or cool ias jewel in the left hand one and dmg in the right hand, and the static would make it so you'd have to do half the damage. In addition, if i'm not mistaken, in 1.09, the mastry bug was still in effect, so the double damage from fury wasn't even taken into account. anyways, the +5 or +10 fury wasn't really as important, as the dmg from fury was really not that high anyways.

unrelated: how important is cb for dueling?

[Godly Moose]

My ninja barb *A barb that was made for pvping bowazons before .10 patch there point was to be so fast they would outrun the guided arrow* he used duel GF's.

[Zangeif]

unrelated: how important is cb for dueling?

Not very important

[Qutsemnie]

Im not anywhere near your level but I play a frenzy barb and had a tip for physical immune things. I ran into an atma scarab amulet. It gives you a 5% chance to proc a level 2 amplify damage. That will bring down the physically immune line in hell when it procs. It literally gets removed from the monsters description. As you know a frenzy barb can activate a 1 in 20 chance on attack fairly fast =) For really strong physically immunes I keep two +3 warcry weapons in my alternate weapons. Put 1 point into all the good warcrys including Battlecry. Battlecry at 9 pts from your intial 1 pt is -66% defense -33% offense. Run up and battlecry the really strong physically immune. Run backward to change weapons. Run up to frenzy and what ever you do with really fast weapons until atma procs an amplify damage then wtf pwn. Frenzy barb should be able to keep amplify damage on once it procs.

For general adventuring I found using my offhand as a utility slot and then using double attack with frenzy is a great way to get through content. Ive put stuff like knockback + 100% fear offhand then frenzied/double attacked. Slows and freezes etc. This prolly isnt worth noting though highend.

[newerest]

Amp will opperate at 1/5 of its normal value so, -20% phy res.

Considering that, not all immunites will be broken. Therefore, I would double throw dual gimmers or demon archs. But, that is probally just me.

[Superbit]

Whatever you pick, make sure you don't have to repair it.

I had doom/beast zerks for my frenzy barb.
Great idea, no fun paying the repair costs.

I thought Griefs were good for frenzy?

[newerest]

Grief+Beast is the best set up for ladder characters. For non ladder, it is ethier Doom+Beast or Ebotdz+Beast.

Just make sure to have lots of orts!

[dkay]

two eth stormlashes would look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sexy for pvm. even two shaeffers hammers.

[Bigrob]

two eth stormlashes would look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sexy for pvm. even two shaeffers hammers.

i agree on stormlash, but shaeffer is just ***.

[Yochefguy]

i use ethereal horizons, and ethereal stormlash (not to mention it looks cooler then 2x stormlash)... and i found that to be an excellent combination. i also use my base level frenzy on my whirler with beast/grief and it owns bad.

Im gonna use horizons and stormlash. I will even throw on cleglaws claw and nosferatus for extra slow with the horizons.

[Davidus]

Azurewrath+Crescent Moon PB
cheap and good :clap:

[Davidus]

I also use CoH+Laying of hands. CoH+LoH+Sanc aura=massive dam bonus vs demons and undead(almost all monsters in the game:P)

[dkay]

omg davidus is right. 2 storm lashes + LoH + CoH is gg for any pvm character ><

[grimsleeper]

I used 2 runemasters socketed with ED/IAS/Shaels (various combinations). Very nice weapons. My barb was doing 3000+ damage with each (I think, am not sure, because my char got inactivated with my account because of long absence). One runemaster had 385% ED and 48% IAS, I think... and the other had 350% ED and similar IAS.
But my barb was still dying very quickly and wasn't killing quickly enough :(

[clanassassin]

I use two eBOTD zerks and for phys immunes just use berserk...


I used 2 runemasters socketed with ED/IAS/Shaels (various combinations). Very nice weapons. My barb was doing 3000+ damage with each (I think, am not sure, because my char got inactivated with my account because of long absence). One runemaster had 385% ED and 48% IAS, I think... and the other had 350% ED and similar IAS.
But my barb was still dying very quickly and wasn't killing quickly enough :(