View Full Version : Did you ever dream for an ama item? Tell us which is yours!
I have long wondered what were, in the imagination of people, their "dream" ama item, for a bowazon or for a javazon.
For a javazon, a magic 4-socket monarch of deflection is the best that you can get for example. There's no rare that can beat it. Maybe a Phoenix shield can beat it on ed, but the 4-sockets monarch of deflection is much more flexible, due to the flexiblity that it offers.
My question is: what is the best possible EVER rare javelin that you who read this think that could exist (i.e., that the game could drop)? There's for sure at least two, one for pvp and another for pvm... I would like to have opinions on this. I would say that it would be an ethereal rare matriarchal javelin with self-repair mod and +3 to javelin skills (base item modification). That is for sure. But what other affixes/suffixes you would add to make it the most perfect one ever? ^^
What about bows, what would be the best perfect rare bow ever? One must think that a rare can get at most 3 prefixes, 3 suffixes, and that some of them exclude each other. That said, what would be the best one ever? For starters, it's normally said that the GMB is the best base bow, and one with +3 bow/xbow would be the perfect start for the best bow ever. Would a runeword beat the best rare bow ever? In other words, would you use a rare bow, even the best one that can exist, instead of and ice/harmony/faith/fortitude bow? List your best shot at the best rare bow ever here, I'm curious to know it :)
Anyway, I'll also add mine best when I decide what are they... if someone can pm me to a place where I can find which affixes don't go together, it would make the work easier :)
krischan
26-05-2005, 00:13
Hmm, for PvM no rare bow beats Faith in a GMB and no rare javelins beat upped Titan's IMO if combined with the right equipment. My bowazon is the proud owner of Faith and Fortitude which gives her so much versatility that she has maxed resists while still being able to kill any monster in the game including Baal, Diablo and especially the Ancients (including PI ancients if she has enough arrows and/or mana potions with her). In fact, she soloed through all of hell in a two-player game (with a Hellforge dummy being present all the time).
However, there are crafted gloves which beat any unique or set gloves for zons, like hitpower gloves (the ones with knockback) together with +2 passive and 20%IAS, with respect to PvM. There are probably diadems which beat any helm for PvP, even though there are a ton of awesome unique and set helms.
However, for top end characters it depends on all of the equipment at once. You have to reach certain speed breakpoints, have enough leech, frw and resists while still dealing enough damage. You might have a single item that deserves to be called godly (e.g. one of the godly mods is adding 20 strength), but if another piece of equipment is too far below the standard you set up for yourself, its godliness is wasted (e.g. if that iten could add 20 to strength as well, but adds just 10).
Regarding affixes, you can look at the Arreat Summit, but the affix lists are not correct in certain respects. I don't know in which, however. Perhaps the ones in d2data.net are better.
I don't know, Krischan. Let's say:
Inherent +3 to javazon skills (which I believe is independent from the rare attributes)
Valkyrie's prefix +2 to Amazon Skill Levels
Cruel prefix - 300%ed
Master's prefix - 150%ed + 250 ar
of the Vampire - 9% ml
of Quickness - 40% ias
of Propogation - Replenishes Quantity[10]
and that on an ethereal matriarchal javelin.
What would you say about a matriarchal javelin like that? (maybe changing ml for chance to cast amp for pvp). Sure, titan's has some other mods that are impressive, but a javelin like this one would be a nice alternative...
Thanks for the tip :)
krischan
26-05-2005, 02:39
The inherent zon javelin mod will provide a bonus to javelin skills (up to +3) while zon bows add up to +3 to bow skills.
I don't know much about PvP, but I can hardly imagine that a high-level javazon will be good in PvP. She is more a crowd killer, so I think this is mainly a PvM issue. I might be entirely wrong here however.
Anyway, javazons normally use LF which doesn't benefit from physical damage, so the main point of the physical damage of the javelins is providing enough leech (and killing lightning immunes, of course) and upped Titan's will be good enough with respect to that. However, a chance for casting Amp would be nice for PvM as well, I admit, because it has an area of affect. It surely will only be centered on those enemies which got a direct hit (not those being hit just by LF), although piercing will give you more chances to get it triggered.
My javazon can kill a whole 2+ players cow level with two pairs of ethereal ones, even when throwing at small crowds. Therefore I think its frw and stats bonuses as well as the increased stack of Titan's add more to effectiveness than additional physical damage.
Javazons are very specialized characters, relying on lightning first and on physical damage second. Either you go the Razortail way (100% piercing -> cows) or the T-God's way (more lightning dmg -> all the rest).
Anyway, I would definitely keep rare javelins like yours and never sell them, even if it's just for bragging with the screenshots :lol:
Replenishes Quantity[10]
and that on an ethereal matriarchal javelin. :o
As far as I know, each javelin has its own durability, thus, you will break one at the time, eventually totally depleting the stack. So you'd never get the "javazon equivalent" of the zealot eth 450% ED +20max 40%IAS 2socket eth 9% self repairing berzerker axe...
...However, certain crafted hit power gloves would beat any unique from 1.10 and before. The knockback mod is outstanding when you haven't found that windforce just yet.
krischan
26-05-2005, 13:54
As far as I know, each javelin has its own durability, thus, you will break one at the time, eventually totally depleting the stack. So you'd never get the "javazon equivalent" of the zealot eth 450% ED +20max 40%IAS 2socket eth 9% self repairing berzerker axe...
A few months ago we had a discussion about that. IIRC a single javelin has to deplete all its durability (which is greater than 1) between two replenishing rounds. I don't remember details, but the chance is rather small. It never happens in missile combat, however.
See here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=311523&highlight=titans+durability) for details.
...However, certain crafted hit power gloves would beat any unique from 1.10 and before. The knockback mod is outstanding when you haven't found that windforce just yet.
... or use a better bow instead, like Faith.
Sorrymac, haven't found that Jah yet... And if I did find one, I already have a Ber, so you could probably guess what I'd do...
hulla-hop
26-05-2005, 18:39
well, theres a big difference in a lightama and a physical jabber/fend needs. my pvp-jabber would absolutele love some eth selfrepair 300ed, fools, ias,
well, theres a big difference in a lightama and a physical jabber/fend needs. my pvp-jabber would absolutele love some eth selfrepair 300ed, fools, ias,
As far as I know, each javelin has its own durability, thus, you will break one at the time, eventually totally depleting the stack. So you'd never get the "javazon equivalent" of the zealot eth 450% ED +20max 40%IAS 2socket eth 9% self repairing berzerker axe...
A few months ago we had a discussion about that. IIRC a single javelin has to deplete all its durability (which is greater than 1) between two replenishing rounds. I don't remember details, but the chance is rather small. It never happens in missile combat, however.
See here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=311523&highlight=titans+durability) for details.
Hey, that "very trustable person" mentioned on the thread was me!!! Heheeee. Anyway, I don't know what they did on the server side about the ethereal titans, but I have had for 2 months an ethereal titan's with 138 max quantity (at that time) and soon after I posted that thread it went back to 140. Magic? Destiny? Murphy's law? Nobody knows... but it happened. And I have waited like 1 hour on a game for them to go from 138 to 140 before and it didn't happen. I don't know what was it but it was fixed.
I am a light AND physical amazon, the only one I know of currently. I tried for a very long time a balance that would allow me to be both, and I found one (very tricky though, I must say).
My fend level is currently 41, using all the tricks.
Fend damage is 1975-3668 with an ethereal titans.
LF, 1-2924 (42 bolts). CS, 1-6333 (11 bolts).
Max res, Max pierce, 105 IAS and -20% to enemy light res, and fend ar is 11200, which I consider good.
I use fend a LOT, I mean really a LOT. By my experience playing this java for months, the fend bug is inexistent or, at least, not noticeable, without D/A/E. Fend will do the work with light immunes when CS and LF fail. It is also VERY handy when you need to fill your mana and life balls.
In all this time since I posted that thread (and originated that "very trustable person comment from you Krischan), I have never again noticed the eth titans going to less than 140. So, experience tells that it won't happen.
That's why I know that the only thing that there's no way of having is the 2 sockets, on the "eth 450% ED +20max 40%IAS 2socket eth 9% self repairing berzerker axe..." equivalent. The rest is possible, and the javelin won't break. On the other hand, the +3 to javelin skills will give +30%ed to fend (and help with cs and lf too), and the +2 ama instead of the 20 max is maybe even better (still because of fend's +10% ed/lvl). I will check that and come back here to comment.
Edit: That thread about titans losing durability where I was very much irritated was this one: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=252475 (for curiosity's sake) :p
the +2 ama instead of the 20 max is maybe even better (still because of fend's +10% ed/lvl).
+2 ama is a prefix, so you must have meant instead of 2 sockets? +20 max is a suffix, and wouldn't be bad at all. Maybe mana leech instead?
+2 ama is a prefix, so you must have meant instead of 2 sockets? +20 max is a suffix, and wouldn't be bad at all. Maybe mana leech instead?I must have made a mistake, as always :rolleyes:
Of course for pvp the mana leech is useless, so 20 max would be very much welcome.
So,
+2ama 450% ED +20 max 40%IAS self repairing matriarchal javelin pvp and
+2ama 450% ED 40% IAS 8%ml self-repairing matriarchal javelin pvm.
Gloves bowazon or java pvp:
+2 passives
knockback
+15 dex
+15 str
+40 mana
20 IAS
(crafted hit-power)
Gloves java pvm:
+2 java
20 IAS
15 dex
15 str
40 mana
3% ll
20 life
10% crushing blow
(crafted blood)
OR
Gloves java pvm:
+2 java
20 IAS
15 dex
15 str
40 mana
knockback
(crafted hit-power)
For bowazon pvm, since +2bow/xbow helps almost nothing, just change +2 java for +2 passives.
I heard that War Travellers are the best for javazons pvm, is there no dream crafted boots that would beat them?
I imagine this would make many people o_O:
30% frw
40% cold res
40% light res
40% fire res
10% fhr
poison lenght reduced by 25% (or +9 to dex)
+(20) to Life
Replenish Life +10
3% Life Stolen per Hit
(best possible Blood recipe boots)
On armor, there's the runewords. No rare can beat a runeword, not even the best ever possible. Same on Headgear... On amulets something can exist, better than the uniques. I must think yet.
On belts, I'm not so sure yet that a crafted belt can beat the uniques, for an amazon.
Anyone disagrees so far?
Anyone disagrees so far?
Err... how many random affixes did you allow on your blood boots? Max randoms are 4, so those boots seem to have more than possible. The deal with the WT is the added damage, which helps a lot, not just for amazons.
About belts, none can beat the piercing on the razortail or the outstanding lightning parade on the TGV.
The item (next to weapon and gloves) I'd be most curious about would be helm. Are there any possible rare circlets that could compete (in any way) with the butt-ugly uniques? Why would an amazon want to hide her hair????
Err... how many random affixes did you allow on your blood boots? Max randoms are 4, so those boots seem to have more than possible. The deal with the WT is the added damage, which helps a lot, not just for amazons.
About belts, none can beat the piercing on the razortail or the outstanding lightning parade on the TGV.
The item (next to weapon and gloves) I'd be most curious about would be helm. Are there any possible rare circlets that could compete (in any way) with the butt-ugly uniques? Why would an amazon want to hide her hair????I've added 6. I always think that rares and crafted can have 6... so rare boots can have 6, and crafted only 4? In this case, rare > crafted then.
The problem with rare circlets is that Griffon's is so impreesively good for a light java, it makes it difficult to choose another one. But, since people like variety and the best rare is also pretty good, here it goes:
In time: I NEVER use other than circlets in my amas. Never. I've set this to me long ago, I play for looks mostly and for having fun. And an ama is at her best with a circlet, free hair to the wind...
My dream circlet:
+2 ama
30% frw
2 sockets
30 str
60 life
20 all res
(I believe that they can get 6 modifiers, 3 prefixes and 3 suffixes)
Then socket it with 2 x IAS/15 all res, and you have something that I would use gladly :)
Instead of the 20 all res, one could wish for 30% enhanced damage or 90 to mana too. And instead of 60 life, 8% ml could be added... depends on taste. But it can't get much better than this :) Such a circlet would be one of the best ama items in the game, value going above 120 runes I guess, but still for a pure lightning java, it's soooo hard to get rid of Griffon's...
How many random affixes a crafted item gets is dependant on its ilvl. around ilvl 70 or a little above (i think) crafteds always get 4 random affixes. With ilvls lower, they get three or two (or even one?) random affixes, and then a lesser "rlvl add" than the +22 on the highest items.
However, the sum of affixes is usually 7 or 8, as most crafted items have three or even four fixed mods on them, not counting as either affix nor suffix.
I agree with that circlet :D it's very sexy!
krischan
31-05-2005, 22:02
From crafter level 71 on, the item will get 4 affixes. However, no more than 3 of them can be a prefix respectively a suffix.
SlainByPain
01-06-2005, 03:20
I tested out the damage on a rare GMB. It does 82-511 dmg on a lvl 90 char. Maybe this could beat WF. I would say that the best jav for a cs zon would be a +6 java skill 40ias java.
lifeoflo
01-06-2005, 04:29
my dream CS zon javelin is: MAGIC Zon-Only javelins with +6Javelin Skills and 40%IAS, that would be so ****ING damn godly!!!! and yes it can spawn on bnet, i got a +5, there is no suffix, suffix can get ias, and zon-only jav can spawn with +3mod, then add lancers prefix to this, you get a godly 6/40 jav!
EDIT: oh damn just read the post befor mine lol
my dream CS zon javelin is: MAGIC Zon-Only javelins with +6Javelin Skills and 40%IAS, that would be so ****ING damn godly!!!! and yes it can spawn on bnet, i got a +5, there is no suffix, suffix can get ias, and zon-only jav can spawn with +3mod, then add lancers prefix to this, you get a godly 6/40 jav!
EDIT: oh damn just read the post befor mine lolInteresting, that one I have never thought about... but yes, it would be amazing :)
Krischan: that takes out blood boots, I guess. Rare can beat them, if they get 3 suffixes and prefixes.
About rare GMB's, yes, the perfect GMB can beat a WF... for sure.
Would be kind of cool if automods could spawn on uniques, like a +7 j/s thunderstroke, or a 95% resist all HoZ. Imagine the diversity in trade values!
Tell me again: Why is it that assassins can shop their class specific goodies, and the rest of us can't?
Oh, and Frygia... Lust is a path to the Dark Side o.O
Would be kind of cool if automods could spawn on uniques, like a +7 j/s thunderstroke, or a 95% resist all HoZ. Imagine the diversity in trade values!
Tell me again: Why is it that assassins can shop their class specific goodies, and the rest of us can't?
Oh, and Frygia... Lust is a path to the Dark Side o.OYes, it would be very very fun (automods...) :D
About assas buying their stuff and the poor javazons who can't, it's very clear: Blizzard HATES javazons. We can't buy our stuff, we can't socket, we have no weapon runewords, nothing. And out of titan's (consolation prize), there's really nothing out there... really - they hate us.
Hi,
i think rare bows can beat any other bow in game, including faith.
i've seen a guy usin' a matriachal bow with 450% ED, 20% ias, dual sockets (clean) 50+ max dmg and +3 bow skills. to me that beats any bow in cluding wf, Hoj, faith and all other stuff...
for the gloves crafteds beat anything, like that stupid ultra duped insane price gale grasps, pasisve, ias knockback, dual leech adn resists...
ty, luiz
He couldn't have had +50 max damage without using any sockets, as max damage on rares tops out at 20
krischan
07-06-2005, 00:41
You can't compare just the bow. You can only campare complete setups. I doubt that even the best rare bow will beat Faith if you cannot get fanaticism elsewhere. That aura enables you to get 9/2 strafing with very little IAS items (9/2 is enough for PvM), so you are much more versatile with the rest of your equipment.
For example, this is my strafer (PvM):
Andy's Visage with 10 allres/some other res/1-90 ldmg/crap jewel
Faith GMB +2 bow, L13 fanaticism
Fortitude archon plate
Rare IAS/passive gloves (still looking for/crafting a knockback version)
Razortail
Goreriders
Atma's Scarab
Rare dual leech ring
Ravenfrost
Loads of res charms, so she has max resists
Even though there might be things to improve, she kicks butt in WSK+Baal runs (just Baal himself is a little annoying because he needs so long to kill, although he's not a threat), can kill the Ancients, do all L87 areas and cows with ease in solo games and without a merc, with a dummy being logged in for better drops and XP. Together with my zealot she is my favourite character. I admit that I invested a lot into her (about 1/3 of my resources which can give me HRs), but it was worth it.
If you exchange the bow with a perfect rare bow, she would need more IAS, e.g. by putting another jewel into the helm or wearing an entirely different helm or wear Cat's Eye/HL Wrath, i.e. have less resists, less skill bonuses, less leech and no % to cast Amp. IMO the losses would be greater than the gains from that rare bow, at least for PvM.
Any of my characters can do every L87 area, Krischan ;)
krischan
08-06-2005, 11:42
I never doubted that - my posting was meant in reply to luiccn. And of course, there are no L87 areas, except for Arreat Summit, but it was me who started to mention that number ;)
I try to keep it the same way. However, in solo play my Tal Rasha meteorb sorc still has problems with Lister and his pack which means she has to park them somewhere, my javazon has problems with replenishing (apart from problems with lightning immunes) and my melee characters refuse to enter the CS.
Superhal
08-06-2005, 22:18
that cannot occur in the game:
buriza stats on a mat bow.
Botd on a bow.
slows target on crafted gloves (in other words, a crafted cleglaws glove)
amulet with ias, >40% resists, skills, amp damage, stats.
etheral cruel or runeworded blade bows
that can occur in the game:
a godly crafted hitpower glove similar to what was mentioned above
tip on melee in the CS:
strat 1: do the OK's last if possible, dragging the others far enough away before fighting so that you don't get hit by IM.
strat 2: fight OK's two or more at a time. usually, IM will be overwritten by another curse, with a (rouhgly) 10 second delay before they all cast a new curse. if the last curse cast is IM, tp back and let malah take care of it. this also works really well in the worldstone as well, as baal's auto-decrepify will overwrite IM.
strat 3: for barbs: leap attack counts as a missile attack, and berzerk has no phys damage to be returned.
Singollo
08-06-2005, 23:49
for zons i would like diadems with 30frw, +2 skill, all resist, and 2 sockets then your other to good mods like stats.
i also would want to see items like a 20fcr sorc diadems with 2 sockets and resist, or +6fb,+6 fire mastery magic orb with 20fcr, ton of mana and 2 sockets. this is the thing i am really after. :D
all classes have them and can name others but ill stop here
krischan
09-06-2005, 13:29
that cannot occur in the game:
Botd on a bow.
etheral cruel or runeworded blade bows
BotD is possible in any nonmagical weapon with 6 sockets. However, there are no ethereal bows, so perhaps you mean BotD in an eth bow.
There are no ethereal bows/x-bows at all. Apart from that, any L51+ monster can drop any weapon with the cruel affix (wands, staves and perhaps even daggers might be an exception). Rare cruels need a level of 56.
tip on melee in the CS:
strat 1: do the OK's last if possible, dragging the others far enough away before fighting so that you don't get hit by IM.
That might reduce the chance to get killed to 1/10, but if you have a L92 melee character, you don't want to take any risk to lose XP from dying. There are enough other L85 areas to visit for melee characters and apart from that, it needs time to lure the helpers away from the OKs.
strat 2: fight OK's two or more at a time. usually, IM will be overwritten by another curse, with a (rouhgly) 10 second delay before they all cast a new curse. if the last curse cast is IM, tp back and let malah take care of it. this also works really well in the worldstone as well, as baal's auto-decrepify will overwrite IM.
See above, but the chance to get killed is reduced to perhaps 1/2 only.
strat 3: for barbs: leap attack counts as a missile attack, and berzerk has no phys damage to be returned.
Leap attack counts as melee attack from 1.10 on. The drawback of berserk is that defense drops to 0 and you don't leech. Using berserk in large OK+helper crowds might be problematic, eapecially if you have no shield, like an IK barb.
I avoid the CS with melee characters, except the character needs the quest.
Yes, it would be very very fun (automods...) :D
About assas buying their stuff and the poor javazons who can't, it's very clear: Blizzard HATES javazons. We can't buy our stuff, we can't socket, we have no weapon runewords, nothing. And out of titan's (consolation prize), there's really nothing out there... really - they hate us.
LOL, now call javazons underpowered will u ? :lol:
If u really wanna know what blizzard hates - its shapeshifting druids. Comparable fhr to a necromancer - on a melee char. No mobility skills, cant cast in wereform, weapons need outrageous amounts of ias on them, and external ias does not work, slow blocking rates, fury and maul received no synergies,thank god at least they fixed the spirit and lvl 32 shifting bugs.
I still love werewolves over all though.
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