BvC barb's ugly matchup?

[soc]

What char does the best against a bvc barb (has the highest win %)? Why do they do the best? What would be the runner-up char?




OT: Is "Corrupt" a good name for my pvper :P

[Herald of Doom]

Bone necro? Hammerdin? Those are the two builds that cause me the most problems :)

HoD

[Generator Of Chaos]

Bone Necro = Barb Killer IMO

Also heard that BvB barbs do well Vs. BvC barbs..for..obvious reasons..

[PlasmaDragon]

Hmm summoners are probalby the hardest if you don't have a life tap wand but if you do they are pretty easy.

That leaves bone necs and hammerdins. or good elemental builds if barb doens't stack or absorb.

And of course the only class they really have no chance against is a godly bvb barb. But i manage to kill most of them by attacking them while they bo. Also bringing any non barb char is a good way of scaring these guys off.

[lCE]

[/QUOTE]And of course the only class they really have no chance against is a godly bvb barb. But i manage to kill most of them by attacking them while they bo. Also bringing any non barb char is a good way of scaring these guys off.[/QUOTE]

Now that is really pathetic.

[Bigrob]

the best char against barb is either bone necro or liberator, possibly smiter. (not pure hammerdin, they do nothing to barb) Barb does the best job killing everyone if u are good at it. (which is hard to expert) Thats why most ppl in pubs dont play barb or just dont know how to ww.

hybrid bone/summoner will totally kill barb if ur char is well-geared.

[mrJ]

How is a liberator a better idea than a pure hammerdin? It isn't like it's a good idea to charge ww barbs most of the time.

The problem with a "hybrid bone/summoner" is that, they don't really exist as far as I've seen, what you usually see are pure bone necs that use marrows so they naturally have enough points to go and get skellies/revives/mastery for 1 point wonders. Meaning they're usually used as lazy bm tools to invoke once the nec gets rolled a couple times. Therefor, if the nec wants to play that game, the barb can put his own marrows on, sm, leap in place, and wait for the right opportunity to tele+zerk. (If it's a proper bm nec using im and maybe walls, that is.)

[Generator Of Chaos]

How is a liberator a better idea than a pure hammerdin? It isn't like it's a good idea to charge ww barbs most of the time.

The problem with a "hybrid bone/summoner" is that, they don't really exist as far as I've seen, what you usually see are pure bone necs that use marrows so they naturally have enough points to go and get skellies/revives/mastery for 1 point wonders. Meaning they're usually used as lazy bm tools to invoke once the nec gets rolled a couple times. Therefor, if the nec wants to play that game, the barb can put his own marrows on, sm, leap in place, and wait for the right opportunity to tele+zerk. (If it's a proper bm nec using im and maybe walls, that is.)

For the last time people, the "marrow bug" was confirmed to be a hidden feature, not a bug.
ANY charge adds synergies as long as you don't have any skill points in the skill of the charge...

And what's with "BM"...Anything nowadays is "bm"...
As far as I care "Bad Manners" would include anything that would make a duel extremely unfair and one sided or just take all the fun out of it, such as:
- Naked Killing
- Townguarding
- Attacking during Precasts casting
- Town jumping and hogging
- Using Hacks
- Tons of sorbing gear, wich will mostly negate all of a char's dmg... then it's just "hunting"...

Using a hidden feautre wich adds 1K dmg (remember you still have to account for PvP's penalty) isn't exactly making a duel with chars that usually have well over 3K life, one sided...just a little more fair...

so what if you get points to spend in those skills? you pay for it for not beeing able to use Bone Prison (charges are very expensive, a PvP char would quickly run out of money, specially if he has gear to repair)
Anyone could prefer to boost Bone Armour more, and get a bigger melee armour..Or get poison skills..

If you wanna "cry" than tele + WW is bad manners, and maxing resists is bad manners...and any sorb at all is bad manners...btw, not beeing a completely inanimate bullseye for the other guy is bm...

[mrJ]

For the last time people, the "marrow bug" was confirmed to be a hidden feature, not a bug.
ANY charge adds synergies as long as you don't have any skill points in the skill of the charge...

And what's with "BM"...Anything nowadays is "bm"...
As far as I care "Bad Manners" would include anything that would make a duel extremely unfair and one sided or just take all the fun out of it, such as:
- Naked Killing
- Townguarding
- Attacking during Precasts casting
- Town jumping and hogging
- Using Hacks
- Tons of sorbing gear, wich will mostly negate all of a char's dmg... then it's just "hunting"...

Using a hidden feautre wich adds 1K dmg (remember you still have to account for PvP's penalty) isn't exactly making a duel with chars that usually have well over 3K life, one sided...just a little more fair...

so what if you get points to spend in those skills? you pay for it for not beeing able to use Bone Prison (charges are very expensive, a PvP char would quickly run out of money, specially if he has gear to repair)
Anyone could prefer to boost Bone Armour more, and get a bigger melee armour..Or get poison skills..

If you wanna "cry" than tele + WW is bad manners, and maxing resists is bad manners...and any sorb at all is bad manners...btw, not beeing a completely inanimate bullseye for the other guy is bm...Err..wow heh, not the kind of reaction I was expecting but ok then..

Would you care to refer to where I stated that I thought it was a bug?

Also, if you noticed, I never said there was anything bad mannered about the damage bonus you receive by utilizing marrows.

It's nice that you stated what you yourself find qualifies for "bm", however you do understand that there are other people out there and they themselves may have some additional or different ideas on the subject? Say for example, a necro using PI revives vs a barb, now what did you say about "wich will mostly negate all of a char's dmg"?

So what indeed? I hardly call stating what I see in pubs in black and white, crying. It has nothing to do with my opinion, I just call it as I see it, and I stated that, but you seemed to go off on a personal tirade. Don't get confused. =/

[morotsjos]

And of course the only class they really have no chance against is a godly bvb barb. But i manage to kill most of them by attacking them while they bo. Also bringing any non barb char is a good way of scaring these guys off.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.



Now that is really pathetic.
What's pathetic is the retards who get their bvb-barb after their whole pvp-account has been humiliated by a bvc-er. "brb" more?



the best char against barb is either bone necro or liberator, possibly smiter. (not pure hammerdin, they do nothing to barb) Barb does the best job killing everyone if u are good at it. (which is hard to expert) Thats why most ppl in pubs dont play barb or just dont know how to ww.

hybrid bone/summoner will totally kill barb if ur char is well-geared.
Liberators suck. Charge is worthless vs barbs. Hammerdins are way better, good barbs can tank most liberators due to slow cast+crap dmg.
Bone/summoners are a joke. Either laugh 3 minutes and kill them or bm back with magic immune revives+lifetap+slow missiles.


Generator Of Chaos: I dont think anyone complains about marrows. What mrJ states is that necs with summons are completely physical immune. Add iron maiden to that (which most "summoners" use) and you cant get more bm vs barbs. As I said; lifetap+slow missiles takes care of that. Magic immune revives are nasty too...

[mrJ]

magic immune revivesDrat, I knew I missed something, gogo eternity

[Bigrob]

morotsjos: hmmm u sure? cuz i always see lovely using his liberator beat many hammerdins and he also has good dmg and fcr. i dont how well liberator will against barbs though.

i dont think bone/summoners are a joke. They most likely putting iron madien on u then u will have to wait til the curse expire or u cant do ww, cuz if u hit one his skillies, u will take heavy beat. With minion stacking bug if i think it might cause u extra care to take on them.

Well, i dont know if u use life tap can save ur not.

[mrJ]

morotsjos: hmmm u sure? cuz i always see lovely using his liberator beat many hammerdins and he also has good dmg and fcr. i dont how well liberator will against barbs though.

i dont think bone/summoners are a joke. They most likely putting iron madien on u then u will have to wait til the curse expire or u cant do ww, cuz if u hit one his skillies, u will take heavy beat. With minion stacking bug if i think it might cause u extra care to take on them.

Well, i dont know if u use life tap can save ur not.We were talking about liberators vs ww barbs, not other hammerdins.

If a nec does that, you leap, use marrow lifetap, slow missle, magic immune revive charges, tele+zerk. You bm back with extreme prejudice (If you even need to do all that, probably not), especially if they use wizgloves (west) and spam wall+im in addition to using PI revives and the like. No mercy for those that try to render you harmless and let you kill yourself with your own attacks.

[Phyrexial]

No mercy for those that try to render you harmless and let you kill yourself with your own attacks.
There is nothing particularly BM with getting your opponent to kill themselves. ;)

[mrJ]

There is nothing particularly BM with getting your opponent to kill themselves. ;)Fair enough, I should've worded that better. >_>

[morotsjos]

morotsjos: hmmm u sure? cuz i always see lovely using his liberator beat many hammerdins and he also has good dmg and fcr. i dont how well liberator will against barbs though.

i dont think bone/summoners are a joke. They most likely putting iron madien on u then u will have to wait til the curse expire or u cant do ww, cuz if u hit one his skillies, u will take heavy beat. With minion stacking bug if i think it might cause u extra care to take on them.

Well, i dont know if u use life tap can save ur not.
Thats because he's a better desyncher/player than his opponents. Liberators vs pure hammerdins is a very one-sided duel if both players are equally good. Think about it, you can NEVER charge a hammerdin. The pure hammerdin has more fcr+DAMAGE, hence he will always have an advantage in this matchup.
The same applies vs barbs, you cant charge barbs, hence more fcr+damage is better.

Iron maiden is effectively cancelled out by lifetap. If you have magic immune revives you can just tele/zerk him without getting hit (your revives will eat his bonespells). Leap knocks him away from his summons. Or just wait 3 minutes and kill him...



There is nothing particularly BM with getting your opponent to kill themselves.
Nope, but being immune to your opponents attack is bm in my book =)
He actually said just that.

[PlasmaDragon]

There is nothing particularly BM with getting your opponent to kill themselves. ;)

There is nothing particularly BM with nking people as you please it's only a matter of opinion if you think otherwise you are a geek.

[Speederländer]

"BM" is a myth. It is completely arbitrary with the exception, perhaps, of naked killing and using cheating hacks like auto-aim that compromise the intended function of the game and gain an unfair advantage.

[Phyrexial]

Nope, but being immune to your opponents attack is bm in my book =)
He actually said just that.
Agreed. Unless of course that is the nature of the matchup. Like a pure FoHer against a Windy, the Windy is essentially immune. But I digress, I do agree with you.


There is nothing particularly BM with nking people as you please it's only a matter of opinion if you think otherwise you are a geek.
You cease to be competing or dueling when you nk unless this is some weird nking contest that I've never heard of. If you are dueling then nking is pretty much BM in every definition I've ever heard that was remotely reasonable. By the way, if you think otherwise you are pubby trash. Because, well, I said so.


"BM" is a myth. It is completely arbitrary with the exception, perhaps, of naked killing and using cheating hacks like auto-aim that compromise the intended function of the game and gain an unfair advantage.
Pretty much. Completely negating an attack though can be argued both ways. You could say it is BM because you cease to be competing since there is no chance for the opponent to win regardless of skill or you could say that it is the negated player's fault for choosing a negatable build.

I have a slew of other personal rules I follow, but I don't expect anyone else to follow them.

[morotsjos]

Unless of course that is the nature of the matchup. Like a pure FoHer against a Windy, the Windy is essentially immune.
Indeed.


you could say that it is the negated player's fault for choosing a negatable build.
All builds are negatable due to minion stacking with revives who can be physical/magical/elemental immune... Pointless duels anyone? =)

Speederländer: We've already been over that once and you do have a point.
However, total negation of someones attack isn't dueling, just waste of time.

[Phyrexial]

All builds are negatable due to minion stacking with revives who can be physical/magical/elemental immune... Pointless duels anyone? =)
Alot of things can get around minion stacking like Fireball and Mindblast though.



We've already been over that once and you do have a point.
However, total negation of someones attack isn't dueling, just waste of time.

Would you agree that nking isn't dueling either, just a waste of time?

[PlasmaDragon]

If you are dueling then nking is pretty much BM in every definition I've ever heard that was remotely You cease to be competing or dueling when you nk unless this is some weird nking contest that I've never heard of.reasonable. By the way, if you think otherwise you are pubby trash. Because, well, I said so.




"You cease to be competing or dueling when you nk unless this is some weird nking contest that I've never heard of."
From what i heard from kodachi east private clan duels are nking contests. Also irrc i got banned for calling you trash back now you are starting to go around calling people trash based on the way they want to duel in a computer game without using illegal programs. However, i do agree that if you nk in a supposedly fair and square private duel it takes away the whole point of fair dueling.


"if you think otherwise you are pubby trash. Because, well, I said so. "

i have seen you call others trash on this forum many times because they didn't agree with you.

Nking is a legitmate part of the game espeically in pubby pk where everyone does it. Obviously when you are having a fair 1on1 friendly duel and you nk the other person it takes away the point of the whole thing.

Nevertheless nking is a legitmate part of the game. Have you ever wondered why monsters don't wait for you to get body to attack you? Because it is only part of the game. HOwever using third party programs is another story since it conflicts with the useer end agreement and is illegal.

Nking does not conflict with the usual moral codes either. scamming and stealing from friends are universally considered immoral acts as as they are when done in real life. Because they involve actions such as lying, and betryaing another person's trust. However, nking or not is merely a way you want to fight against another person. It's a person's own free will to choose whether they would want to take on the challenge of fighting someone with body or not. and in my case i find most people just as easy with body than they are without.

Most duelers in this game would consider using mass prison, iron maiden extremely bad mannered against melees because if takes away their chance of winning (in most cases) and imo anyone who uses those things are pkers and nking and taking gold is a part of pking.

What is BM is purely a matter of opinion. From a philosophical point of view everything can be BM or not BM.

If you expect everyone in a computer game to agree with you on your twisted code of morality you are both a complete moron and a lifeless geek because any multi-cellular organism should know that.

[PlasmaDragon]

Kodachi said in east clan dueling nks count as kills and if you save and exist and rejoin they'll take screenshots and that's considered worse than losing. Also everything including aaing, rejuving, flash hacking is allowed. He even showed me screenshots of what east nk dueling looks like.

This may sound ridiculous and retarded but if both sides agree to it then there's hardly anything wrong with.(except maybe blizzard might have a say about them using all those third party programs.

[PlasmaDragon]

Thats because he's a better desyncher/player than his opponents. Liberators vs pure hammerdins is a very one-sided duel if both players are equally good. Think about it, you can NEVER charge a hammerdin. The pure hammerdin has more fcr+DAMAGE, hence he will always have an advantage in this matchup.
The same applies vs barbs, you cant charge barbs, hence more fcr+damage is better.

Iron maiden is effectively cancelled out by lifetap. If you have magic immune revives you can just tele/zerk him without getting hit (your revives will eat his bonespells). Leap knocks him away from his summons. Or just wait 3 minutes and kill him...



Nope, but being immune to your opponents attack is bm in my book =)
He actually said just that.

no they are not immune to all attacks. If you have multiple chars you can counter minion stackers with extreme easy. MOst summoner necros are even dumber than the average pubby dueler and they fall for the dumbest things. aslo aoe attacks such as fireball, tornados,etc go right through minion stacking, and knock back attacks such as leap and mb which kb the necro more than his minions.

[sheepe2004]

eum, triple post?? are you argueing wih yourself? :uhhuh:

anyway - if both sides agree too nking then sure, its fine but in pubby games no one would agree to nking unless theyre the ones doing it.

[soc]

question: how does one get their body back when they are subject to being mindblast locked as soon as they step out, have a foher constantly casting foh so as soon as you walk out your toast, not to mention a bunch of other crap flying around??? It seems if you charged with a paladin you could avoid most of that stuff (hard to click on your name), but the foh problem still persists no?

[Duelskull2]

Its pretty easy to get bod with charge. For nking fohers near town just run out and then back in, so they cast foh as you're in town. Then just charge out because of the delay.

[soc]

what if your body is really really far out, and what if you can't charge?

[Duelskull2]

If its really far out try the nearest wp and charge from there. If you can't charge you're pretty much screwed. Unless they are really bad you wont run to your body :/. If charge breaks just rj imo.

[PlasmaDragon]

question: how does one get their body back when they are subject to being mindblast locked as soon as they step out, have a foher constantly casting foh so as soon as you walk out your toast, not to mention a bunch of other crap flying around??? It seems if you charged with a paladin you could avoid most of that stuff (hard to click on your name), but the foh problem still persists no?

that's why i rejoin and nk non stop until they all leave if i think they are gonna nk. It's just standard pubbing procedure.

[luis19]

well not all private clan duels are like that chris, just most since the biggest clans are either bm and/or aa.
then they challenge gm clans who usually end up playing bm to counter bm.
so everything goes bm.
thats why 1on1 private or nonclan team duels are better imo

[morotsjos]

Alot of things can get around minion stacking like Fireball and Mindblast though.

Fire immune revives = haha. Stunlocking with mb+traps can do the trick for a wwsin, but trappers will just get absorbed anyway...


Would you agree that nking isn't dueling either, just a waste of time?
Dueling, no. Waste of time, usually. After a few beers, hilarious.



no they are not immune to all attacks. If you have multiple chars you can counter minion stackers with extreme easy. MOst summoner necros are even dumber than the average pubby dueler and they fall for the dumbest things. aslo aoe attacks such as fireball, tornados,etc go right through minion stacking, and knock back attacks such as leap and mb which kb the necro more than his minions.
1) I'm talking of barbs. Revives+iron maiden+bone wall spamming = physical immune. You can't tele/zerk a GOOD nec, if you could noone would use ww in the first place.
2) Revives can be immune to anything. Atm I can only think of wwsins who wouldn't be completely negated due to stunlock -> venom/open wounds...
Good fhr >>>>>>>> leap =/

[Duelskull2]

Blizzers can get around summon necs. Glacial splashes enough to kill them. Doesnt really affect windies either.

[PlasmaDragon]

Fire immune revives = haha. Stunlocking with mb+traps can do the trick for a wwsin, but trappers will just get absorbed anyway...


Dueling, no. Waste of time, usually. After a few beers, hilarious.



1) I'm talking of barbs. Revives+iron maiden+bone wall spamming = physical immune. You can't tele/zerk a GOOD nec, if you could noone would use ww in the first place.
2) Revives can be immune to anything. Atm I can only think of wwsins who wouldn't be completely negated due to stunlock -> venom/open wounds...
Good fhr >>>>>>>> leap =/

that's why you need a a back up char so you can laugh at noob hammerdins who sit in each other's hammerfields.

[Mr.Grimmy]

that's why i rejoin and nk non stop until they all leave if i think they are gonna nk. It's just standard pubbing procedure.


So a pre-emptive NK? I guess that makes sense. If you find a behavior to be annoying and detrimental to your enjoyment of the game, why not do it to others before they can do it to you (insert massive sarcasm here)

Some of us who duel in pubbys work to make them better places by refusing to nk, towngaurd, and talk a bunch of crap. Join the movement, reclaim the pubies !!!!

[Phyrexial]

Some of us who duel in pubbys work to make them better places by refusing to nk, towngaurd, and talk a bunch of crap. Join the movement, reclaim the pubies !!!!
I hear you. The rest of them don't care though.

Then again I don't play anymore, at least not until the next season begins.

[Bigrob]

Thats because he's a better desyncher/player than his opponents. Liberators vs pure hammerdins is a very one-sided duel if both players are equally good. Think about it, you can NEVER charge a hammerdin. The pure hammerdin has more fcr+DAMAGE, hence he will always have an advantage in this matchup.
The same applies vs barbs, you cant charge barbs, hence more fcr+damage is better.

Iron maiden is effectively cancelled out by lifetap. If you have magic immune revives you can just tele/zerk him without getting hit (your revives will eat his bonespells). Leap knocks him away from his summons. Or just wait 3 minutes and kill him...



Nope, but being immune to your opponents attack is bm in my book =)
He actually said just that.

I have one more question though. Dont u just charge from the south then hammer wont hit u? If he intend to move, then charge will possibly hit him cuz he moves out of his hammer shelt.

[Phyrexial]

"if you think otherwise you are pubby trash. Because, well, I said so. "

i have seen you call others trash on this forum many times because they didn't agree with you.I said that in response to this:

There is nothing particularly BM with nking people as you please it's only a matter of opinion if you think otherwise you are a geek.I'm sorry, my sarcasm clearly didn't translate well.




If you expect everyone in a computer game to agree with you on your twisted code of morality you are both a complete moron and a lifeless geek because any multi-cellular organism should know that.Perhaps you missed this:

I have a slew of other personal rules I follow, but I don't expect anyone else to follow them.

In regards to your comment on east private duels, I can't say that has been my experience. I must find the good crowds everytime.

I don't agree with your definition of BM being that it's fair game as long as it doesn't violate the user agreement with Blizzard but you already knew that so we'll drop that. Lastly, I find this statement of yours particularly amusing:

Nevertheless nking is a legitmate part of the game. Have you ever wondered why monsters don't wait for you to get body to attack you? Because it is only part of the game.
Since when do we define what is fair and what is not by what monsters in the game can and cannot do? That's a first for me.

[luis19]

you all take pubs too seriously.
why not nk?
why not bm? (as long as not involving haxs, hell i bm but no juving/haxs)

think about it this way. once u get to a certain point, where you can basically afford at least 1 perfect build or a couple of highend builds, the game loses its hold. at this point you beat 95% of all people that play the game. and this isnt limited to the leet, its alot of people who fall in this category.

ex- my barb alone would bring me to this "plateu", and his gear is nothing compared to all the stuff i have (397% ebotd, mid beast, crap nigma, crap duress, non perf ravens, etc).

so what keeps the game fun? pissing people off and hearing comments like "OMG aa leap more"
and how bout this one i got recently
"omg prolly took you years to find out that kb bug, i bet you never get laid"
^bs about how my leap is a cheat or bug or something and that because i use it i never get laid.:lol:

its those things that keep me playing every now and then, although nowdays i play maybe once a week or less. stil makes my day:uhhuh:

[Phyrexial]

@Luis: I certainly can understand where you are coming from, but I just think you could probably have plenty of enjoyment without pissing off everyone including the non-lamers of bnet. You can mess with the lamers all you want, I don't care.

Perhaps try low level dueling once? You'll still get plenty of hack accusations, especially when you kill someone 2-4 times your level and the usual plethora of "you have no life" insults. Also, it's easy to find the morons when they bring a level 80+ to a low level dueling game. Then you can "BM" them as you see fit. I don't mind being an annoying bastard to these people, so this is how I pass the time. Anyway, just a suggestion. Enjoy the game how you will.

@PlasmaDragon: I just did a search for all posts with the word "trash" in it posted by me and I got 6 posts back. Most of them are quoting someone (you infact) or using them in a manner that isn't directed at another member. The only 2 posts that I called someone trash I feel most people would agree with me that they were warranted. Neither one was actually direct also. Go ahead and run a search if you don't believe me.

[luis19]

well i like to bm all people's equally.
makes it a bit more interesting.

especially when it escalates to 1on1 with someone who thinks they are some godly private dueler who is better than me, the bm pubby, only to realize that i have pwnt all those who came before, and loss after loss is forced to bow down to my greatness.
you can also think of it this way. by bming people i can separate the sux duelers to those who may give me a good challenge.

[PlasmaDragon]

[QUOTE=Phyrexial]
I don't agree with your definition of BM being that it's fair game as long as it doesn't violate the user agreement with Blizzard but you already knew that so we'll drop that. Lastly, I find this statement of yours particularly amusing:

QUOTE]


?? lol?? it's pretty sad that you claim to enjoy arguing yet the best you can do is putting words into my mouth.

[PlasmaDragon]

@Luis: I certainly can understand where you are coming from, but I just think you could probably have plenty of enjoyment without pissing off everyone including the non-lamers of bnet. You can mess with the lamers all you want, I don't care.

Perhaps try low level dueling once? You'll still get plenty of hack accusations, especially when you kill someone 2-4 times your level and the usual plethora of "you have no life" insults. Also, it's easy to find the morons when they bring a level 80+ to a low level dueling game. Then you can "BM" them as you see fit. I don't mind being an annoying bastard to these people, so this is how I pass the time. Anyway, just a suggestion. Enjoy the game how you will.

@PlasmaDragon: I just did a search for all posts with the word "trash" in it posted by me and I got 6 posts back. Most of them are quoting someone (you infact) or using them in a manner that isn't directed at another member. The only 2 posts that I called someone trash I feel most people would agree with me that they were warranted. Neither one was actually direct also. Go ahead and run a search if you don't believe me.

I've seen you use the word trash many times and against others one of them i believe was against someone who came up with a summoner bear guide. I accidentaly saw your flames but didn't care enough to report you to get you banned. Besides i find your hypocrisy entertaining.


I know it's hard for a run and spam necro to understand why some of us like to nk in pubs. If you are a good aggressive dueler that does a lot of accurate name locking and dominate pubs regularly, espeically long range tele locks you will have thousands of insults thrown at you every game and get accused of using aa by those aa clans with flash hacks. When they manage to finally kill you 7 on 1 with mass rejuvs, flash hack, tp hack,chicken hack, town hugging, summon lagging,insult spamming,etc They will nk you non stop.

I've tried to be nice and polite and GM in everyway in pubs for about 2 years. But from what iv'e seen pubby players just don't deserve it. Sure i do come across gm duelers once in a while and most of the are on my friend list now. 99.99999% of pubby people deserve to get nked. I've tried countless times to teach pubby people how i "aa" "tele walk" "knock back hack", etc but they would much rather assume that you aa then admit that you have skill. and they use that as an excuse for using hacks, teaming up, healing, town hugging, nking and taking gold.

If i dont' take gold or nk a person and if he or someone else somehow manages to kill me. There's a 99.999999% probability that this person with nk me and take gold simply because i've been dominating the game the whole time. Not to mention hackers now make up a large percentage of pubbies today and you have got to be completely insane to be "GM" with them.

[Phyrexial]

I don't agree with your definition of BM being that it's fair game as long as it doesn't violate the user agreement with Blizzard but you already knew that so we'll drop that. Lastly, I find this statement of yours particularly amusing:


?? lol?? it's pretty sad that you claim to enjoy arguing yet the best you can do is putting words into my mouth.
I made that statement on account of this:

Nevertheless nking is a legitmate part of the game. Have you ever wondered why monsters don't wait for you to get body to attack you? Because it is only part of the game. HOwever using third party programs is another story since it conflicts with the useer end agreement and is illegal.I believe I paraphrased what you said correctly. If not, I apologize. From how I interpreted your above statement, you were saying that nking is legit/not bm because it is part of the game in contrast to 3rd party programs which breach the user agreement.


I've seen you use the word trash many times and against others one of them i believe was against someone who came up with a summoner bear guide. I accidentaly saw your flames but didn't care enough to report you to get you banned. Besides i find your hypocrisy entertaining.Perhaps you could consider actually running a search? I've had the word "trash" in a post of mine 6 times in total (not including posts since my search) and only 1-2 times was it directed somewhat at another member. Tell you what, I'll save you some time. Here is the actual quote: "You know those statistics people are always throwing around like "99% of bnet is composed of lamers and pubby trash." You just added yourself to that statistic." I feel it was warranted and apparently Xircon agreed with me. His thoughts on it were "Normally I would not ban for this, but that is horrible." directed towards the same person I was addressing. By the way, that summoner bear "guide" was designed for the sole purpose of TGing. Just sit in town and summon the bear to kill people outside of town, it doesn't get much lamer.

So before you go accusing me of anything and going off on another one of your witch hunts, try to look up some facts.

[PlasmaDragon]

I know it's hard for a run and spam necro to understand why some of us like to nk in pubs. If you are a good aggressive dueler that does a lot of accurate name locking and dominate pubs regularly, espeically long range tele locks you will have thousands of insults thrown at you every game and get accused of using aa by those aa clans with flash hacks. When they manage to finally kill you 7 on 1 with mass rejuvs, flash hack, tp hack,chicken hack, town hugging, summon lagging,insult spamming,etc They will nk you non stop.

I've tried to be nice and polite and GM in everyway in pubs for about 2 years. But from what iv'e seen pubby players just don't deserve it. Sure i do come across gm duelers once in a while and most of the are on my friend list now. 99.99999% of pubby people deserve to get nked. I've tried countless times to teach pubby people how i "aa" "tele walk" "knock back hack", etc but they would much rather assume that you aa then admit that you have skill. and they use that as an excuse for using hacks, teaming up, healing, town hugging, nking and taking gold.

If i dont' take gold or nk a person and if he or someone else somehow manages to kill me. There's a 99.999999% probability that this person with nk me and take gold simply because i've been dominating the game the whole time. Not to mention hackers now make up a large percentage of pubbies today and you have got to be completely insane to be "GM" with them.





I reposted this portion of my post in case you are blind. I gave a valid justification of why i nk in pubs. I used to be completely against nking but "pub trash" as you put it have taught stupid me again and again not to be that nice to them.

[PlasmaDragon]

I made that statement on account of this:
I believe I paraphrased what you said correctly. If not, I apologize. From how I interpreted your above statement, you were saying that nking is legit/not bm because it is part of the game in contrast to 3rd party programs which breach the user agreement.

Perhaps you could consider actually running a search? I've had the word "trash" in a post of mine 6 times in total (not including posts since my search) and only 1-2 times was it directed somewhat at another member. Tell you what, I'll save you some time. Here is the actual quote: "You know those statistics people are always throwing around like "99% of bnet is composed of lamers and pubby trash." You just added yourself to that statistic." I feel it was warranted and apparently Xircon agreed with me. His thoughts on it were "Normally I would not ban for this, but that is horrible." directed towards the same person I was addressing. By the way, that summoner bear "guide" was designed for the sole purpose of TGing. Just sit in town and summon the bear to kill people outside of town, it doesn't get much lamer.

So before you go accusing me of anything and going off on another one of your witch hunts, try to look up some facts.

you accused me of being a hypocrite because i suggested that hackers were trash but you go around calling others trash because u don't like the way they pk eventhough they don't use programs. I find that very laughable.
As arguably the "bravest" dueler on bnet (100% offense with any char) I too find town summoners cheap and boring but i also find them funny to fight against. I would never bother to make a char like that and actually sit in town just to town hug. However i don't hold grudges against people who do so because they are simply exploiting a certain aspect of pvp which is not even a bug.

[Phyrexial]

you accused me of being a hypocrite because i suggested that hackers were trash but you go around calling others trash because u don't like the way they pk eventhough they don't use programs. I find that very laughable.
As arguably the "bravest" dueler on bnet (100% offense with any char) I too find town summoners cheap and boring but i also find them funny to fight against. I would never bother to make a char like that and actually sit in town just to town hug. However i don't hold grudges against people who do so because they are simply exploiting a certain aspect of pvp which is not even a bug.
I assume you are referring to an argument in some other thread, because I don't recall accusing you of being a hypocrite in this thread. If you would be so kind, please find that thread you are referring to as I would like to take a look. Also, I've called another member trash once. You can try to defend that member's build all you want, but I've got problems with anyone that would make a build for the sole purpose of annoying other players that didn't do anything to you. You could probably make an argument for it being PvP because at it's base, PvP is simply player vs player. Using a term with a bit more regulations, his build is certainly not "dueling." Amob spoke my thoughts exactly: "I'd like to understand the motive of someone who tries to ruin games for people."

In any case, you're bring this whole "calling people trash" thing because of this statement:

"if you think otherwise you are pubby trash. Because, well, I said so."

Correct? What I was trying to get at is that I found your statement:

"There is nothing particularly BM with nking people as you please it's only a matter of opinion if you think otherwise you are a geek."

to read as "if you don't agree with me, you are a geek." So I made a similar statement substituting "geek" for "pubby trash." I wasn't serious about that statement, everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion. Do you understand what is wrong with a statement such as:

"If you don't agree with what I said, you're stupid."

Because it is very similar to what you stated and what I stated afterwards mocking your original statement.

[PlasmaDragon]

I know it's hard for a run and spam necro to understand why some of us like to nk in pubs. If you are a good aggressive dueler that does a lot of accurate name locking and dominate pubs regularly, espeically long range tele locks you will have thousands of insults thrown at you every game and get accused of using aa by those aa clans with flash hacks. When they manage to finally kill you 7 on 1 with mass rejuvs, flash hack, tp hack,chicken hack, town hugging, summon lagging,insult spamming,etc They will nk you non stop.

I've tried to be nice and polite and GM in everyway in pubs for about 2 years. But from what iv'e seen pubby players just don't deserve it. Sure i do come across gm duelers once in a while and most of the are on my friend list now. 99.99999% of pubby people deserve to get nked. I've tried countless times to teach pubby people how i "aa" "tele walk" "knock back hack", etc but they would much rather assume that you aa then admit that you have skill. and they use that as an excuse for using hacks, teaming up, healing, town hugging, nking and taking gold.

If i dont' take gold or nk a person and if he or someone else somehow manages to kill me. There's a 99.999999% probability that this person with nk me and take gold simply because i've been dominating the game the whole time. Not to mention hackers now make up a large percentage of pubbies today and you have got to be completely insane to be "GM" with them.





I reposted this portion of my post in case you are blind. I gave a valid justification of why i nk in pubs. I used to be completely against nking but "pub trash" as you put it have taught stupid me again and again not to be that nice to them.

Seems like you are unable to come up with a a valid argument against this, instead you keep telling me to go searching for your posts from months ago. :lol: you crack me up.

It's like "oh i'm gonna deny all the things I said that might make me look bad so unless you are willing to spend a month searching for all thousands of posts you can't prove anything. "

[Phyrexial]

As you wish, we'll try to reply more directly.


I know it's hard for a run and spam necro to understand why some of us like to nk in pubs. If you are a good aggressive dueler that does a lot of accurate name locking and dominate pubs regularly, espeically long range tele locks you will have thousands of insults thrown at you every game and get accused of using aa by those aa clans with flash hacks.
You haven't dueled me last time I checked, so making assumptions about my dueling habits seems to be somewhat unfounded. I'm aware that most duelers will jump to the conclusion that you hack when they lose, I LLD so I'm quite familiar with it.



When they manage to finally kill you 7 on 1 with mass rejuvs, flash hack, tp hack,chicken hack, town hugging, summon lagging,insult spamming,etc They will nk you non stop.

If you stick around that long, sure. I tend to insult their ability to face me 1v1 and if they don't agree to my terms I tell them they are a waste of my time and leave.



I've tried to be nice and polite and GM in everyway in pubs for about 2 years. But from what iv'e seen pubby players just don't deserve it. Sure i do come across gm duelers once in a while and most of the are on my friend list now. 99.99999% of pubby people deserve to get nked. I've tried countless times to teach pubby people how i "aa" "tele walk" "knock back hack", etc but they would much rather assume that you aa then admit that you have skill. and they use that as an excuse for using hacks, teaming up, healing, town hugging, nking and taking gold.
Understandable. Seeing as how you don't lose anything when you die, I see no reason to not give them a chance first though. If they prove to be lamers, then go ahead and nk them. If you are that good, it seems that it would certainly be within your power and it takes less effort on your part.



If i dont' take gold or nk a person and if he or someone else somehow manages to kill me. There's a 99.999999% probability that this person with nk me and take gold simply because i've been dominating the game the whole time. Not to mention hackers now make up a large percentage of pubbies today and you have got to be completely insane to be "GM" with them.
I prefer to give people the benefit of a doubt first. Perhaps I have more patience or you simply find more annoying people. I totally agree with you about hackers though, BM them.



I reposted this portion of my post in case you are blind. I gave a valid justification of why i nk in pubs. I used to be completely against nking but "pub trash" as you put it have taught stupid me again and again not to be that nice to them.

I understand your argument, but as I explained I prefer to let them commit the first wrong then go ahead and BM them back.


Seems like you are unable to come up with a a valid argument against this, instead you keep telling me to go searching for your posts from months ago. :lol: you crack me up.
I'll link you to them if I find them.



It's like "oh i'm gonna deny all the things I said that might make me look bad so unless you are willing to spend a month searching for all thousands of posts you can't prove anything. "

The same could be said of you. You keep accusing me of things from threads that are long gone so I can't argue whether or not it happened. However, I'll take your word for it until I find them unless I distinctly remember otherwise.

[morotsjos]

Blizzers can get around summon necs. Glacial splashes enough to kill them. Doesnt really affect windies either.
Wrong. Cold immune revives >>>>>>> coldsorcs. Cold+physical immune revives >>>>>> windies.


that's why you need a a back up char so you can laugh at noob hammerdins who sit in each other's hammerfields.
True. My ghettodruid takes care of that. The only really problem is when someone gets a good barb with maxblock and beast in stash...



I have one more question though. Dont u just charge from the south then hammer wont hit u? If he intend to move, then charge will possibly hit him cuz he moves out of his hammer shelt.
Charging a hammerdin is suicide no matter what, you need alot of luck to hit him without getting hit yourself. The hammerdin will charge around just as much as you do, hence wont see him much in the first place + that there are invisible hammers here and there that you can (and eventually will) charge into.


Lastly, regarding pubs: I NEVER say anything in pubbies until people start crying. And they ALWAYS do. As soon as they die 1-3 times the usual "aa/hacker/noob/moron/blabla" accusations/insults come flying. As PlasmaDragon said, the absolute majority of pubbieduelers are utter retards who have to cry when they die.
Insulting back = hilarious. Nking only increases their frustration and frequency of their crying.
If there actually is a non-retarded cryer in the game (great odds - not) you dont have to insult/nk him, it's as simple as that.
Just accept that pubbies are pubbies, not dueling.

[Phyrexial]

Just accept that pubbies are pubbies, not dueling.
This would explain alot of things. Do most of you simply not consider pubbies to be "dueling?"

[morotsjos]

This would explain alot of things. Do most of you simply not consider pubbies to be "dueling?"
Probably.

For the last 2-3 months I haven't got any decent duels in pubbies and from what I can recall only three persons worthy to go private with.

Even if you do find someone to duel it always ends up with retards interfering/backstabbing/nking/whatever.

And that is IF you find someone. 99% of my pubbieventures are just the same, a constant crying from the start no matter what you do.

Hence I see nothing wrong with insulting/nking/whatever. Getting the criers frustrated is fun. Actually it's nearly the only reason I still pub...

[Mr.Grimmy]

well i like to bm all people's equally.
makes it a bit more interesting.
..............
by bming people i can separate the sux duelers to those who may give me a good challenge.

And at the same time this causes many of the people who are trying to play legit, to give up because the only way they can compete with the very good duelers (such as yourself) is to cheat, use dupes, and BM. I know its not directly your fault that this is the case, but why not try and lead by example?

Last week I killed this guy in the pubbies and he dropped about 250k. I picked it up, took it to town and gave it back to him. He was so amazed he offered to give me a SOJ for being nice. Told him it wasn't necessary, but you can see that kindness is something the common pub dueler doesn't get enough of. If you treat them like crap its no wonder they end up as little BM script kiddies.

I'll get off my soapbox now :D

[soc]

And at the same time this causes many of the people who are trying to play legit, to give up because the only way they can compete with the very good duelers (such as yourself) is to cheat, use dupes, and BM. I know its not directly your fault that this is the case, but why not try and lead by example?

Last week I killed this guy in the pubbies and he dropped about 250k. I picked it up, took it to town and gave it back to him. He was so amazed he offered to give me a SOJ for being nice. Told him it wasn't necessary, but you can see that kindness is something the common pub dueler doesn't get enough of. If you treat them like crap its no wonder they end up as little BM script kiddies.

I'll get off my soapbox now :D

More power to you man.

I don't BM in pubbies, even if someone BM's me. I just see no point to it. If I beat someone fairly and they start some sort of spam/deragatory term I just say "squelch" and press the squelch button. If they kill me it's not so bad since I play hammerdin religiously so it's easy to get my body back via charge.


OT: A while back I posted a thread called "Best pubby dueler?". Now everyone said bvc barb. My question is, against a light/cold/fire sorc can the bvc barb own them all in a pubby duel game, where switching absorb and the likes gets a bit tedious, because someone said in this thread that without absorb/stacking resists it's hard to beat the betterhalf of sorcs (ones that don't use oculus :P)

[luis19]

sorcs are easily beat.
as long as you have 2x ravens + good resist boots, you can manage all 3 elements with ease.

leap around to aviod bliz and tele next to the fire/lite sorc where they arent shooting and you can usually 1-2 ww kill them without getting hit much. the bliz sorc is a glass cannon, so desync ww them and they fall fast.

[Bigrob]

Wrong. Cold immune revives >>>>>>> coldsorcs. Cold+physical immune revives >>>>>> windies.


True. My ghettodruid takes care of that. The only really problem is when someone gets a good barb with maxblock and beast in stash...



Charging a hammerdin is suicide no matter what, you need alot of luck to hit him without getting hit yourself. The hammerdin will charge around just as much as you do, hence wont see him much in the first place + that there are invisible hammers here and there that you can (and eventually will) charge into.


Lastly, regarding pubs: I NEVER say anything in pubbies until people start crying. And they ALWAYS do. As soon as they die 1-3 times the usual "aa/hacker/noob/moron/blabla" accusations/insults come flying. As PlasmaDragon said, the absolute majority of pubbieduelers are utter retards who have to cry when they die.
Insulting back = hilarious. Nking only increases their frustration and frequency of their crying.
If there actually is a non-retarded cryer in the game (great odds - not) you dont have to insult/nk him, it's as simple as that.
Just accept that pubbies are pubbies, not dueling.

there is normal monster is cold + physic immune?

btw, i always sqeuich all ppl in pubs dueling so i cant hear them and i start nking all over the place. i never talk in pubs duels.

[Generator Of Chaos]

there is normal monster is cold + physic immune?


I think he meant a "pack" with phisical imunes and cold imunes...

[morotsjos]

OT: A while back I posted a thread called "Best pubby dueler?". Now everyone said bvc barb. My question is, against a light/cold/fire sorc can the bvc barb own them all in a pubby duel game, where switching absorb and the likes gets a bit tedious, because someone said in this thread that without absorb/stacking resists it's hard to beat the betterhalf of sorcs (ones that don't use oculus :P)
I can easily beat 95% of all sorcs in pubbies with 2x ravens and 75% res, and I'm just an average player.



there is normal monster is cold + physic immune?

btw, i always sqeuich all ppl in pubs dueling so i cant hear them and i start nking all over the place. i never talk in pubs duels.
Yes there are monsters who are physical+cold immune, just like there are monsters who are cold+fire immune, or fire+light or whatever.

Haha, nice pub-strategy btw, although their responses are half the fun. Definately one of the best way to annoy people, especially when you start nking.