35k dmg zealot?

[beemander]

this guy was killing hell ancients for me and i asked him how much dmg he did, b/c he did it really really fast. and he say 35k dmg i didnt get a chance to ask about everything he wore. the only thing i remember is that he had fanaticism and a Botd, i've never made a zealot before but is this possible? if so what gear?

[Lyrs]

He might have meant if per zeal, which would mean he was handing out 7k Max per swing. If he was taking into account Deadly strike, that would be 3.5kMax per swing, which I believe is very possible.

[Mayhs]

my smiter gets 5k zeal with 1 lvl on it...which means 25k zeal dmg...with deadly strike...itd be 50k lol...might make a zealer for the dmg lol :p

[KillJoyBob]

A perfect Ethereal Berserker Axe BotD will have a Max damage of 532.5 (71 * 1.5 * 5). So for a 35K max damage, his off-weapon ED% has to be 6473 ( [(35,000/532.5) - 1] * 100). This would include ED% from skills, synergies, auras, gear. Assuming even 50% Deadly Strike, he still needs ~4382 ED% (6473/1.5).

That'll be near impossible to achieve for a fully synergized Charger with uber gear, much less a Zealot.

Some numbers for ED%:

Perfect Fortitude Armor: 300%
Perfect Phoenix Paladin Shield: 465%
3 Socket helm w/ Ruby Jewels: 120%
Strength 200: 200%
Slvl 30 Zeal: 300%
Slvl 20 Sacrifice: 240%
Slvl 30 Fanaticism: 543%
Might Merc (clvl 90): ~200%
Pride Polarm slvl 18 Concentration: 315%

Total: 2683% ED (That's still ~1900% to go)

[Tastychiken_europe]

A perfect Ethereal Berserker Axe BotD will have a Max damage of 532.5 (71 * 1.5 * 5). So for a 35K max damage, his off-weapon ED% has to be 6473 ( [(35,000/532.5) - 1] * 100). This would include ED% from skills, synergies, auras, gear. Assuming even 50% Deadly Strike, he still needs ~4382 ED% (6473/1.5).

That'll be near impossible to achieve for a fully synergized Charger with uber gear, much less a Zealot.

Some numbers for ED%:

Perfect Fortitude Armor: 300%
Perfect Phoenix Paladin Shield: 465%
3 Socket helm w/ Ruby Jewels: 120%
Strength 200: 200%
Slvl 30 Zeal: 300%
Slvl 20 Sacrifice: 240%
Slvl 30 Fanaticism: 543%
Might Merc (clvl 90): ~200%
Pride Polarm slvl 18 Concentration: 315%

Total: 2683% ED (That's still ~1900% to go)

ok killjoybob i really think he meant per zeal then :P.

[Lazy_BerZerker]

he could also have included 40 325 or what they're called :rolleyes: together with zeal that would already give him 1 / 3 and if it is pr. zeal it would provide about 65k so... maybe just lots of poison damage :D

[Tastychiken_europe]

he could also have included 40 325 or what they're called :rolleyes: together with zeal that would already give him 1 / 3 and if it is pr. zeal it would provide about 65k so... maybe just lots of poison damage :D

thats just sick :O 40 290's. he must have been rich as billgates or something :P

[beemander]

40 325? whats that mean?

[batuchka]

40 325? whats that mean?

40 small charms, each doing 325 poison damage :D Ya must have been 35k after zeal attach sequence complete not per zeal else its not physical dmg i would think hehe

[bluedragoon]

i think he just ment he did 7k per swing, 35k in a zeal, without counting the deadly strike. 7k dmg for a zealer with botd is do-able right ?

[koeraokse]

maybe he had a botd tm :lol: my zealot has a nice 9.1k zeal dmg with forti, botd and phoenix, I dont think it can go so much up, like a 35k...


:cheesy:
*priit

[Mana]

40 small charms, each doing 325 poison damage :D Ya must have been 35k after zeal attach sequence complete not per zeal else its not physical dmg i would think hehe

IIRC I thought poison from multiple sources did not stack...

[KillJoyBob]

ok killjoybob i really think he meant per zeal then :P.

Damn all the math for nothing. :bonk:

[Tastychiken_europe]

Damn all the math for nothing. :bonk:
well :P not for nothing we know how to get alot of dmg ;)

[ebyworx]

pls delete this post, refrenced banned items

[Dad Daniel]

325 or 290 poison scs - i have never seen such ones. They sounds to me like duped stuff!
I have myself a half of dozen 313 poison scs on Europe hardcore ladder - aboslutely legit....
How much i am rich then, under your opinion?!?? :D

[KillJoyBob]

pls delete this post, refrenced banned items

I don't think deleting the thread is enough! How about banning everone who has posted in it?! :cheesy:

[Fallen Creation]

Or he could have been lying. People on B.net are known to exaggerate and flat out lie. :thumbsup:

[robomantis]

Maybe he's The One. :cool:

[Theriverstyx]

Or he could have been lying. People on B.net are known to exaggerate and flat out lie.

i think thats the most reasonable reason yet :lol:

[hikids]

i think thats the most reasonable reason yet :lol:
HE COULD OF HAD A 500% charms in his inventory.................lol just kidding bugging is bad

[ToThePoint]

HE COULD OF HAD A 500% charms in his inventory.................lol just kidding bugging is bad
Its possible that you can do 35k but he was probably lying.
perf botd 545 max 117max in charms
fort : 300%
phoenix : 465%
strength 250 or so
using skill levels as quoted before
zeal 300%
sacrifice 240%
fana 543%
rends and ruby jewel in helm 100%
solo thats : 662*(1+3+4.65+2.5+3+2.4+5.43+1) =15.2k dam = 30.4k with DS
with might merc and previously quoted 200% its =16.5k dam or 33k max 1 hit.
So he could use another jewel or higher + max charms etc.
with pride get 37k +
(not sure of those skill lvls are right tho as seem a bit fishy with zeal/sacrifice)

[koeraokse]

but thats with ds...

:cheesy:
*priit

[ToThePoint]

but thats with ds...

:cheesy:
*priit
So? If someone says they do 6k then they dont - they do a damage range with 6k probably as the max.
Use of Ds can imo be considered as extending the damage range.

[Rat]

So? If someone says they do 6k then they dont - they do a damage range with 6k probably as the max.
Use of Ds can imo be considered as extending the damage range.

What if i said i've heard of a barb who can do 53k ww damage would you try and calculate if that is true?

Jesus christ almighty...

[koeraokse]

So? If someone says they do 6k then they dont - they do a damage range with 6k probably as the max.
Use of Ds can imo be considered as extending the damage range.


but its not marked in char page, it cannot be seen, every melee char with a little change to ds should think like his dmg would be that high? (even with very low change to ds) :uhhuh:

:cheesy:
*priit

[KillJoyBob]

Its possible that you can do 35k but he was probably lying.
perf botd 545 max 117max in charms
fort : 300%
phoenix : 465%
strength 250 or so
using skill levels as quoted before
zeal 300%
sacrifice 240%
fana 543%
rends and ruby jewel in helm 100%
solo thats : 662*(1+3+4.65+2.5+3+2.4+5.43+1) =15.2k dam = 30.4k with DS
with might merc and previously quoted 200% its =16.5k dam or 33k max 1 hit.
So he could use another jewel or higher + max charms etc.
with pride get 37k +
(not sure of those skill lvls are right tho as seem a bit fishy with zeal/sacrifice)


How exactly are you going to fit 100% DS with that setup?

[ToThePoint]

but its not marked in char page, it cannot be seen, every melee char with a little change to ds should think like his dmg would be that high? (even with very low change to ds) :uhhuh:

How exactly are you going to fit 100% DS with that setup?
Must everything be written for you to understand it? Who cares if its 100% or not? you still will obtain a damage within either one continuous range or 2 discrete ranges.
It is a maximum obtainable damage just like everyone else quotes but just a little further from the 'truth' than the rest.

I am not saying he will have 35k everytime just the same as you dont have 6k every time or 2 k everytime, but the chance for that 35k exists the same as the chance for 6k or 2k or whatever other single figure people randomly pluck from thin air.

I have already said the guy is most likely lying but that doesn't mean a pala cant get 35k physical damage from 1 strike.

[KillJoyBob]

Must everything be written for you to understand it?


Tone down the attitude sparky. I understand just fine, look at my post on the first page. Only a complete simpleton will report his damage as double without having 100% DS. :howdy:

[ToThePoint]

Tone down the attitude sparky. I understand just fine, look at my post on the first page. Only a complete simpleton will report his damage as double without having 100% DS. :howdy:
hey sparky that wasn't addressed to you.
Only a simpleton reports their damage as '6k' when they have a definite range. Its the same thing taken a bit further - you basically called almost all the forum simpletons.

Rat - if you have a point make it.
If you saw someone show that a damage was obtainable would you post to ask them if theyd do it for another char? Jessu christ almighty... imagine someone showing a proof to back up a statement!

[JanusJones]

Children - manners! Everybody's here cause they dig on killing demons (and sometimes each other) . . . can't we all just get along?

Play nice! :buddies:

[Locke07]

Maybe he was a variant, couldn'y it be possible that he was using dream or pheonix combo. I don't know how much damage that would add though?

[vdzele]

I really don’t understand why people take that Botd as an almighty choice for melee characters. In a case for a zealot from my expireince Botd is a third class weapon. For PvM my zealot is using stormlash. I have personally tested these two weapons for many months (zealot is my favorite build) and find that staormlash is far more productive. While you “stormlash” one monster all the rest that are approaching will have half of their life when they get to your range. Static is the real killer in this case.

For bosses and lightning immunes Death RW is also a better choice. Don’t believe me, well try it and you will see with your own eyes

[batuchka]

Hmm ok O/T but vdzele: do you play Heroes Of Might & Magic 3? Your avatar is pic of Crag Hack the barbarian (specialisation: Offense) right...:P I like to play Necromancers and have 3k skeleton army + liches with Cloak Of The Undead King and my fav char is Lord Haart (specalisation : Dread Knights)

[hulla-hop]

is it possible for a pala to zeal with a twohanded weap? gogo botd thundermaul and might merc with pride and some ds...id like to see numbers calculated with that :o

[ToThePoint]

is it possible for a pala to zeal with a twohanded weap? gogo botd thundermaul and might merc with pride and some ds...id like to see numbers calculated with that :o
yeah it is but not many use them. Plug in numbers yerself! :p

[hulla-hop]

yeah it is but not many use them. Plug in numbers yerself! :p


i let number-chrunching people like you do that...and im waaay to busy to do that now :P






actually im too busy to post here, so tell me to get the hell out of here

[KillJoyBob]

hey sparky that wasn't addressed to you.

Then why were you quoting my post?

Only a simpleton reports their damage as '6k' when they have a definite range. Its the same thing taken a bit further

The way you take DS into account is one of two ways:

1. You list your maximum or average damage and your percent chance to do DS separately. For example, I do 6K average damage with 50% chance of DS.

2. You incorporate the percent chance of doing DS into your damage figure. For example, given a 6K avenrage damage and 50% chance of DS, you report I do 9K average damage. 6K * (1 + 50/100) = 9K

Any other way of reporting it is at best inaccurate.

you basically called almost all the forum simpletons.

If the shoe fits...

[ToThePoint]

Then why were you quoting my post?



The way you take DS into account is one of two ways:

1. You list your maximum or average damage and your percent chance to do DS separately. For example, I do 6K average damage with 50% chance of DS.

2. You incorporate the percent chance of doing DS into your damage figure. For example, given a 6K avenrage damage and 50% chance of DS, you report I do 9K average damage. 6K * (1 + 50/100) = 9K

Any other way of reporting it is at best inaccurate.



If the shoe fits...
sheesh, my first sentence about char screen was to the first quote which was about the char screen which wasn't you.
My second sentence about DS was to the second quote which just happened to be about DS which was yours.

I KNOW how to take DS into account and i know you know so stop preaching to me.
I am merely saying that is the common way of expressing damages and so doing the same for deadly strike is no different.

Shoe doesn't fit me but i am sure you could set up a massive cobblers business in forums just for that point.

[Uzziah]

te elte speker mised a perod in hs statment

thus instead of 3.5K he wrote 35k, simple typo problem solved.

[hoh_majestic]

8k zeal max damage with beast caddy and 2 dreams lvl 25 conviction aura
gives some really really nice damage. no need for deadly strike since most of its elemental.

[Amiral]

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/Screenshot06912332143254as.jpg

quite ok to be w/o owerpowered runewords (singelplayer) and at lvl 58...
to the two-handed theory. btw, for 2-handed zeal, you would want swords, since they can raech 5 fpa wereas anything else but spears can not, but spears screws up the FHR of a paladin, so...

btw, with what i would say is the perf weapon, some really good gear+might merc with the concentration wep, a 2-handed pally should break 20k avg/hit, with during 60 hits (12 seconds) 1,25 million damage. in average.

[vdzele]

Paladin level 90 is using a Grief RW superior Ettin axe (+15% ed); weapon damage 37-75 with the modifier Damage +400 and 40% IAS. Rest of his gear is:

Guillaume's Face: 15% Deadly Strike; 35% Chance of Crushing Blow (with a jewel +15 max damage / 15% IAS)

Fortitude RW: +300% enhanced damage

Phoenix RW: +400% enhanced damage

Blood crafted gloves (+20% IAS; +10% Crushing Blow)

Highlords wrath (+1 skill levels; +20% IAS; 34% deadly strike)

Gore Riders (15% Deadly Strike; 15% Chance of Crushing Blow)

Bul-kathos’ rings x 2 (+2 skills)

40 small charms (+3 max damage / X AR) = 120 maximum damage

He is also a zealot using these skills: Fanaticism lvl 23 (+424% damage); zeal lvl 23 (+114% damage); sacrifice as a synergy to zeal lvl 23 (+276% damage). His strength is 200.

Minimum Damage = (Weapon Minimum Damage + (+x To Minimum Damage)) * (1 + StatBonus + (+x% Enhanced Damage) / 100)) * Modifier
Minimum Damage = (37 + 400) x (1 + 200 / 100 + 424 / 100 + 114 / 100 + 276 / 100 + 300 / 100 + 400 / 100)
Minimum Damage = 437 x (1 + 2 + 4.24 + 1.14 + 2.76 + 3 + 4)
Minimum Damage = 437 x 18.14
Minimum Damage = 7927

Maximum Damage = (Weapon Maximum Damage + (+x To Maximum Damage)) * (1 + StatBonus + (+x % Enhanced Damage) / 100)) * Modifier
Maximum Damage = (75 + 400 + 15 + 120) x (1 + 200 / 100 + 424 / 100 + 114 / 100 + 276 / 100 + 300 / 100 + 400 / 100)
Maximum Damage = 610 x (1 + 2 + 4.24 + 1.14 + 2.76 + 3 + 4)
Maximum Damage = 610 x 18.14
Maximum Damage = 11065

He will have 6.2 attacks per second; 60% CB and 84% DS

[SalivaMonster]

Hire a NM Act2 Merc, give him +2 skill helm and +2 skill armor, at lvl 90 he will have about lvl22 Might : 250%

Give him a Pride, with lvl18 Concentration : 315%

A boost of 365%! :lol:

[SalivaMonster]

NM A2 Mercenary with Pride:
Lvl 22 Might : 250%
Lvl 18 Concentration : 315%

x x x x x x x x x x x x

2H Weapon
BOTD SUP ETH Thunder Maul : 310.5*5 = 1552.5 Max

Helm
Any +2 skill, with ruby *** + 40%

Armor
Fortitude + 300%

Shield
NONE

Ammy, Rings, Belt
+ 4 skill

Glove
SteelRend +60%

Boot
Marrow +20str, total maybe 250

Anni Charm
+ 1 skill

Case1: All charm with max dmg
10 * 10 + 3 * 9 = 127 max dmg

Lvl 27 Fanaticism = 492%

Lvl 27 Zeal = 138%

Lvl 20 Sacrifice Synergy = 240%

Total Max = (1552.5+127) * (1 + 2.5 + 3.15 + 0.4 + 3 + 0.6 + 2.5 + 4.92 + 1.38 + 2.4 )
=1679.5 * 21.85
=36697
=36.7K Max dmg

Case2 : 10 Offensive GC 9 sc +3 max each

SC : 3 * 9 = 27 max dmg

Lvl 37 Fanaticism = 662%

Lvl 27 Zeal = 138%

Lvl 20 Sacrifice Synergy = 240%

Tatal Max = (1552.5+27) * (1 + 2.5 + 3.15 + 0.4 + 3 + 0.6 + 2.5 + 6.62 + 1.38 + 2.4)
=1579.5 * 23.55
=37197
=37.2K Max dmg :thumbsup:

So thats the theory, anyone is rich enough to do this? Surely an ebayer can!

[Wmeredith]

My dreamer does 11k, with dual dreams (max HS synergies), Eth Oath Scourge, hardly any charms (2/3 crap ones), and level 11 zeal. I run conviction as my aura, so I'm not getting ANY ED% there. Just my $.02...