The fun LLD guide

[forumfreak]

Elemental damage from any part of your gear does not transfer trough smite. Some of the more important ones which do work with smite are as you mention slowdown, but also Crushing Blow and Open Wounds.
Some shields have +x to damage, this does not add to your smite damage. No +damage mod in classic will add to your smite damage. To get the fastest smite possible, get a cutlas. You will need 25ias (7fpa) or 65ias (6fpa) if you choose to not use fana and you would need 8ias (6fpa) with a level 20 fana. Downside of a cutlas is that your range wil be 1 rather then for instance a flail's 3.


yeah... i was hoping to get a pretty nice cutlas. and adding cold dmg to it. oh wells...

[HotZhot]

Hmm this LLd necro of Sculpen has caught my interest, and I think i'm willing to make such an invesment:cool: .
Anyway at lvl 29 how should his skills look like? does he need to be hell rushed? what about ammys?. Seems really interesting because i really like necros but investing in a pvp necro for high levels is quite expensive.

[Fists of War]

Ok...

1. No you don't need to hrush a bone necro and I don't think (although not 100% sure) Sculps is hell rushed.

2. Ammy's? If your rich and have an soj the best option would be a +1 nec skills ammy with 10 fcr, res, and str. This allows you to use one soj and one 10fcr ring, obviously better than 2*fcr rings and a plain +1 necro ammy.
Otherwise go for the above, 2*10 fcr/res rings and any +1 ammy. Mahim-Oak can be cool as well if you don't have anything else...

Finally, the skills:

For max spear damage and max bone armour: (norm rush)

12 - bone spear
15 - bone wall
1 - teeth/ce/bone armour/clay golem/bone prison

Use umes lament for decrep, maybe consider dropping two points on golem mastery/summon resist if you want a faster/tankier golem...

With 1 soj you should get around 500 spear damage and 300 bone armour absorb. Enjoy!

[Turtleism]

Gogo sculpy build lld necro!
First up, a hell rush is a great idea cause at lvl 29, who cares? It will allow more dmg and def (ty bone armor).

For skills u really want to get as many as u can on prison as it is much better with pvp then bone wall can ever be. Never put anything more than 1 point on clay golem, u dont need any in mastery or resist cause his job mainly is to slow and die, simple :)

For a wand ur best bet is umes. And just to give a idea of what ur skills should look like with a hell rush:
1-teeth, corpse explosion, bone armor, clay golem
12-bone spear
6-bone prison
15-bone wall

Get that and ur cruising ^.^

[sculpen]

is there a site that shows the max mods for each lvl?

i thought my items were pretty good but apparently not. LOL.

You can always use this chart (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?p=4739246#post4739246) from page 9 of this thread.

@HotZhot: Rush your necro as far as you can. Den+Radament in hell is a nice place to stop. As for cost, I would say a well equipped lld necro is only slightly cheaper than a high level one. The main differences are 1 less skill on your wand and amulet, no priz on amulet, lower life on rings, and no replenish life on boots or wand. But really, you should be able to take 100% of your lld gear and make a pretty well equipped high level necro out of it.

ps: Happy (late) 1st birthday Fun LLD Guide! :flip:

[fledgeling]

Finally this great post has been found (Ive been searching for it for some time)

Req'd Level.........ED%........Min-Max......IAS
9......................70...........4-7
10....................80...........4-10
13....................90...........4-10
14....................90...........4-14
15....................105.........4-14
17....................105.........4-14...........20
18....................105.........8-20
19....................130.........8-20
24....................150.........8-20
26....................150.........8-20...........30

thank you Sculpen!!

[HotZhot]

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: So good!. Thanks for all the imput, I guess its time to get me an umes!. I have a really nice ammy thats +1priz with fcr life and mana, but its 31 lvl req:tongue: ..life isn't perfect.

- Oh and a hell rush, yay

[Fists of War]

Ah you go to 31 if you wanted :) I don't have much patience with people who won't duel you because you're 1 or 2 levels higher!

EDIT: Just thought that if you went to level 30 you could use bone spirit. That'd make NvN so much more fun!

Btw what realm are you on? Ladder or non? If your on west I wouldnt mind dueling you. In fact reading this thread makes me go and want to make a 29 necro right now! Just need...everything except 2*fcr rings :P!

[HotZhot]

Ah you go to 31 if you wanted :) I don't have much patience with people who won't duel you because you're 1 or 2 levels higher!

EDIT: Just thought that if you went to level 30 you could use bone spirit. That'd make NvN so much more fun!

Btw what realm are you on? Ladder or non? If your on west I wouldnt mind dueling you. In fact reading this thread makes me go and want to make a 29 necro right now! Just need...everything except 2*fcr rings :P!

East SCL :cry:. But it would be awesome, still looking for an umes and eyeless. So hard to find ppl willing to trade.

[RxT]

Bone Necro was going to be my other main LLD after the Bowzon I'm still developing.

I have just about all the equip. needed except some good armor, eyeless and still deciding on belt.

[Turtleism]

I love how many ppl are making the sculpen build necro (yes we are calling it that u smug fool sculpy), its finnaly gunna give thoes who already have one something to really fight against, although i do give credit to the lld Mini-Newtwo, thats a lvl29 hdin i love dueling, short synches are so sexy in lld.

[DoesItSuitYou]

oh mini-newtwo is super good :). i joined a game pompously thinking i would own him w/ my 28 smiter heh and i got school. props to him. i wonder what he wears and how his points are spread out...

[sculpen]

oh mini-newtwo is super good :). i joined a game pompously thinking i would own him w/ my 28 smiter heh and i got school. props to him. i wonder what he wears and how his points are spread out...Please, that guy is only tough because he uses fcr edit and ias edit. The damage and low reqs of a scepter with speed greater than Shard. Throw in some invisibility, and yea, lame char. Nothing against skilled short synchers, just I have seen him talking about his ias edit making synching easier. Duel any legit lld Hdin, and the difference is clear. Funny thing is, every time I duel him with my necro, we both run out of mana pots before either of us dies. :laughing:

In any case, he should hang high for his crimes against bnet. :hang:

[aktee]

Nice, i will try.

[DoesItSuitYou]

heh i had no idea he wasn't legit. what is editing fcr and ias. is he a hacker? and what is synching? heh, i have so much to learn :tongue:

[JudasXPriest]

lol, i hate that its called the "sculpen build necro" considering i started building mine before him, too bad i got lazy and didnt finish lmao. props to sculp though, he made his better than mine ;)

[Turtleism]

I still need to vs ur lvl29 necro mike (i hear u have one kicking about) and it seems like i have a challange!! A new one anyway :grin:

Also i heard from sculpy u where possibly trying to make a poi dagger necro like mine, if so I PUT OUT A CHALLANGE TO IT!!!! Poi Dagger Necro vs Poi Dagger Necro, ive never done it so i will be enjoying every second haha :cool:

Btw im starting a new lld soon, a lvl 12 poi dagger necro that i have discussed on another thread. I think i can make it work cause im mad enough to try :prop:

[JudasXPriest]

lol, well, im remaking my 29 necro atm, because my first one is flawed. hes... 24? so i gotta cow him a bit (im too lazy though :) ), i have gear for a poi necro, but i havnt started it yet. Im up for a duel though ;). However lately, my mom downloaded a program for the new printer she bought, and my computer has gone to hell. >< i cant play D2 for more than 2 minutes before it crashes. ive been trying to LLD all yesterday and this morning, but i keep crashing. so i dunno wtf to do ><

[Turtleism]

What dagger are u using???? This part is very important to the build as that little unique kris just doesnt go the distance. Even better idea, tell me what gear ur planning on using, since it seems like it will be a while befor u play again ^.^

[Turtleism]

Oh and since im here i may aswell do this, YAY!!!! No.269 POST!!!! and its all mine muahahahahahah. Id like to thank Diabloii.net for allowing this thread, id like to thank all the ppl that have posted, its great to see a lld thread with so much life (well with 269 it does say something), too bad not everyone is on the same realm cause im sure all the llds would be fantastic to see. Anyway, keep on trucking diablo addicts :)

[fledgeling]

lol, well, im remaking my 29 necro atm, because my first one is flawed. hes... 24? so i gotta cow him a bit (im too lazy though :) ), i have gear for a poi necro, but i havnt started it yet. Im up for a duel though ;). However lately, my mom downloaded a program for the new printer she bought, and my computer has gone to hell. >< i cant play D2 for more than 2 minutes before it crashes. ive been trying to LLD all yesterday and this morning, but i keep crashing. so i dunno wtf to do ><

if you are using windows xp
start bar->accessories->system tools-> ?system restore? (not sure if this is the proper English name)

it's a tool which allows you to "load" the configuration of the computer from few days ago

it's something like one of the most powerful spells - "load game"

I think something similar should be availible on windows vista too


be warned, however, it will delete ALL changes made in the recent days
(I also have to write that you do it at your own risk and that it can mess up your data/config whatever)

[Fists of War]

Yeah im making a level 29 bonemancer as well...would any of you guys have any of the fcr gear spare? it'll still probably be at least a few months before I inish levelling though...when im done ill plan a 4 player free-for-all bone encro tournament, video it and put it on youtube :P

And whats wrong with the Jade tan Do? Want something with mroe IAS?

[Turtleism]

Heh, free-for-all bonemancer tournament, could their be a faster way to lag up a game? haha. The thing with lld nvn is if u got 4 ppl going at it u will quickly realise that u simply wont have enough mana pots to go the distance haha, as is my lld bonemancer has 213 mana (im a mana junky and will sacrifice life for it!) but his belt only allows 8 spots for mana. Meaning, i dont think anyone is gunna die :o
Either way when u get on next and see me i can give u some fcr rings u could use (they will have about 30+mana on them which i always love).

And the problem with the Jade Tan Do is when ur getting into high 20's a dagger with +1 quickly offers far more dmg, and with my dagger it has cold dmg and ar which makes me happy. So if ur gunna use the Jade, make sure its only because u have to haha.

[JudasXPriest]

ya, i thought of doing that rewind thingy, but it would erase all the stuff that my moms been doing for the past week. so thats out. i havnt been on the computer for a couple days, so maybe its fixed ><. ill have to check today. anyway, ya, im up for a lld NvN fight ;)

With NvN, i perfere max Dmg output and FCR to mana and life lol, the faster u can cast high Dmg spears, the faster u win ;).

[Turtleism]

Max dmg output.. hope ur not thinking of using a sig sheild or else ur gunna be in some real trouble O.o

And unless ur packing a +1skill +3bonespear 20fcr wand ur gunna be in the same boat as me as far as dmg and fcr goes (ty umes), so life is gunna mean a lot :)

Oh and for the love of god pls dont use shard, if u did i would prolly have to ***** slap u hahah. Btw, have any idea when any of these lld bonemancers are gunna be ready?
I'm itching for some lld nvn (once i get d2 installed back on this comp again, never trust ur parents to make space on ur c drive cause they will remove everything u need T.T)

[fledgeling]

what's better
ume/gravespine (dont remember which adds mana)
or a +1 20fcr, 20 nrg, 54 mana, 35% cold res wand?

[sculpen]

what's better
ume/gravespine (dont remember which adds mana)
or a +1 20fcr, 20 nrg, 54 mana, 35% cold res wand?Use them both. I'd choose Ume's for general purpose, and the other vs cold. However, if you can live with the slightly lower damage and no Decrepify, the rare can work real well for general purpose too.

[Turtleism]

Ok so last night i made a nice little LLD Vid, and with the full go ahead from sculpy im gunna post up the link for all to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZQ79ZXUE3w

It wont be dissapointing :)

[DoesItSuitYou]

oh, nice work llturtle. i've dueled ya a couple o' times, and you always win heh. so does sculpy. i acaually only beat noobs, and i have a great build for him... hmm, i guess i need to practice w/ him more :P. but nice job. p.s. i love u psn daggar necro The Clown. hes silly, make a vid w/ him :laugh:

[Turtleism]

Hahaha, oh yes i never thought of a vid with The_Clown, thatd show how much everyone runs away :shocked: thank Blizzard for Bone Pris :prop:

However i want to make one with boner first, someone has to show what a LLD Bonemancer can do, so i will follow sculpy around hahahahah :grin:

Guess i owe him one for making a vid about killing him :wink3:

[Fists of War]

yeah make a bonemancer vid, havn't seen one in action first-hand yet! thanks for the offer of the rings, 10fcr/30 mana sounds way better than anything I could find, so ill pick you up on that offer when i get on next...

nice vid as well by the way!

and a status report on my bonemancer: only level 8 atm, will trist a few times then tomb then cow but thats still gonna be a while away >.<

[squiggle]

Hey planning my next charecter at the moment

On hc


Just a few questions

1. How much ar does a pally get per point of dex?
2. Does +dex from items affect ar?
3. Does Say 20% + ar affect base ar from stats or does it include + ar from items? Cheers

Will post gear here for critique afterwards :D

[RxT]

I've decided to make a Bonemancer and after some long arguing ( with myself ) I'm gonna make it LLD. I haven't done any LLD'ing in awhile so heh.

Still looking for a better amulet ( since my best one for Necro is 31 req ), belt, armor, and boots. I think I got the rest of my gear set unless I find better.

[Akukami]

Jake, if you need some LLD weapons, I have a few nice ones I can hook you up with. Let me know if you want to see. :grin:

- Akukami

[squiggle]

Jake, if you need some LLD weapons, I have a few nice ones I can hook you up with. Let me know if you want to see. :grin:

- Akukami



Cheers ray,

Anyone able to answer my questions above?


I have another llder in planning. Looks like it will do very nicely to :D

We'll see i guess.
Edit:

Oh and do +sorc skill items. That are 1h exist in classic?

[RxT]

I don't think 1h +sorc weaps exist on classic. I haven't seen one yet, but that might just be me.

[fledgeling]

only the unique sword comes to my mind
it has +1 all skills and 20fhr

(forgot the name, I use it on my lightning sorc from time to time)

[squiggle]

Ok cheers.

I guess i'll go for the fcr on shard.

[squiggle]

Sorry about the questions...But

Would this be worth making an lld char for?
And could it do decent?

War hammer
Lvl 13 req
36-52 dmg
10 ias
80ed
2 min dmg
136 ar
21 poison over 4 seconds.

I think its ok but still not sure ><

Cheers.

(Hoping its not akara food)

[Turtleism]

Well lets see here, 36-52 dmg (good), 136 ar (very good), 21 poison over 4 seconds (gogo poison). All up, good wh, shame about lvl13 req, however it still is good.

I thing it would be just fine making a lld to use it, and it will do very well :)

[squiggle]

Ok cheers. I will make this guy over next few days (First version without hell rush) And see how he go's :D

Ty

[fledgeling]

IAS is good too, but actually I dont know the breakpoints, so Im not too sure it helps (IMO it helps)

[Fists of War]

Nah you don't need IAS on a warhammer zealer. BP is like 30 IAS for 7 frame? 40 IAS doesn't get you another frame :(

[Turtleism]

I have recantly built a lvl29 fball 110fcr sorc, and im looking for someone to duel with. For two reasons of course, 1: i need to see if she is any good, 2: to learn how to use it haha.

This would be my only sorc i have so im rather shabby with tele, tho my fball skills are on the increase :)

Btw, how would one go about building a lvl19 bowzon? I picked up a completely crazy edge bow, 20ias, 107ed (meaning 12-43dmg), +4 to max, 179 ar and 1-10 light dmg. Anyone got some ideas? ^.^

[squiggle]

I'm up for some practice. I have a lvl 19 zealer

And going to make lvl 13 charger soon

Neither are rushed. But need practice.

All the duel games on east in norm are full of 60+ chars or noobs that just steal gold. So i've had to resort to hunting =/

Account is *Desecration

Or my ussual account is *theafmanhc

EDIT: Only if this is east Lol
Whisper me on that one and i'll go to the other one :D

[fledgeling]

not sure about level 29, but my level 31 firesorc is really strong (she lacks sojs though and has to pot mana a lot)
I was even experimenting with blinkbat's form for 40fhr instead of twich, but then I decided to use a 24fhr armor with cold res/light res and life
twitch is good too

[tdlofcc]

not sure about level 29, but my level 31 firesorc is really strong (she lacks sojs though and has to pot mana a lot)
I was even experimenting with blinkbat's form for 40fhr instead of twich, but then I decided to use a 24fhr armor with cold res/light res and life
twitch is good too

Give me a couple of days and I have this sorc and a necro ready ... see if we can duke it out again :)

[DoesItSuitYou]

so i have a lvl 29 smiter that does super well against almost any melee character and caster but ww barbs and the sculpy build necro. here it is:

strength 70, vitality rest of points

20 to smite, 6 to holy shield, rest to concentration (better dmg than might)

then you throw on deaths gloves and belt. get angelic rings and ammy. get a +1 barbed shield with generals flail (slows enemys :thumbsup: ) throw on a 3 pruby mask or helm (helms are way more sexy). then for boots and armor you will put on rcage and gtoe (crushing blow = jesus on wheels)

there ya have it. try it out, maybe someone already has posted this so... idk. but 29 isn't so much lld :undecided:

[fledgeling]

my smiter was much different

goldskin, +1 amulet (I think it was eye of etlich), in theory 2 sojs, but in reality str/res rings, either silks or goldskin with high defense
as for the weapon I used the gnasher, slower attacks, but nice dmg - both open wounds and crushing blow - so I could equip other boots to chase the runners
silks gives +1 skill too and some more defense

as for the helmet I used tarn or fhr helmet with life

my shield was a high defense one, for even more defense vs ww barbs

he still wasnt too good vs ww barbs but could go 40/60 vs them

[Turtleism]

Ok so my lvl19 bowzon really....sucked :duh: Soooo i took her to lvl29 and slapped on a full req 112 50poi dmg gothic bow :prop:

And to be very blunt, she is the most fun i have had in some time :grin: , i recantly had a bow zon duel game with about 4 bow zons in it (lvls 29-44) and i had a great time shooting arrows and hiding behind bushes haha.

Tho then a lvl 37 barb showed up, he was prolly the most fun to duel as i was just moving to a safe place and shooting away whilst laughing my gluteus maximus off at how well i was doing. Then he called me a hax and ran off to the applause of all of us haha, u cant buy that kinda fun :wink3:

Now all i have to do is get the silly thing thing hell rushed...

[Fists of War]

Woot, bowazons are't really that cookie-cutter for lld so well done!

May enquire about your damage? Using howltusk for the knockback?

Anyways I have yet another build idea, this one is extremely viable but I don't know if it's been done before. I might as well write a build guide for it, as I have a bit of spare time and think it's a godly lld if made right.

Level 29 Defence Smiter

This character uses defiance, holy shield and high defence exceptional rares to reach an amazing amount of defence, while still maintaining average damage and life.

Skills: (hell rushed)

6 holy shield
20 defiance
1 might (for when defence does't matter, ie versus casters or smiters)
1 charge (good to catch runners)
2 prerequesites
rest in smite (10)

Stats

Enough str to wear that ornate (too much :tongue: IMO), so if you can get a -req one it's great. Enough dex for generals flail (only +5 if you follow this guide), with the rest in VIT.

Gear:

Weapon: Generals Flail - Fast, slows enemy, +25 defence

Armour: Rare Ornate Plate with 90%+ e.d, preferably also with either 24 fhr/-reqs/+life, the more of those mods the better, but high defence on it is a must

Shield: Rare Barbed Shield with +1 pally skills, 24 fhr, and maybe 30/20 blocking if holy shield doesn't get you there?

Helm: Rare Grand Crown or Winged Helm with 90%+ defence, 10 fhr and life

Gloves: Sigon's - 30 IAS, 10 str

Belt: Sigon's - Good defence, needed for IAS on gloves, 20 life, 20 fire res

Boots: Either Goblin Toe for crushing blow, or Sigon's as they get a 100 defence bonus, as well as the tasty 20 frw and 40 cold res.

Amulet: Mahim-Oak Curio - +10 to all att's, +10 all res, +10% and +10 defence

Rings: Ideally 2 * soj's, the plus skills work wonders with defence, and ensure that you won't run out of mana smiting or charging. If you can't manage just use the best +stats rares that you can manage, or maybe 2 * Manald Heal - a total of 40 life and 16 life regen for perfect ones.

Note: You don't need to use this. A 3 ruby helm can work, a different weapon (IAS/+1 cutlass?) can work. This however is the best way to achieve our desired defence. Also if you have the soj's to socket things, socketting the helm, armour and shield with a Pruby, Pruby and a Pdiamond respectively can be great.

Conclusion

With the above gear and socketed rares, this characters hits the following numbers:

Defence: 11 000!!! I even hit 11 3xx on my test character. NO MELEE CHARACTERS (excpet other smiters) WILL BE ABLE TO HIT YOU!

Damage: 150-240 Doesn't seem like much but it's fast, ignores block and defence, and kb's/stuns.

480+ life / 210+ mana

Smite bp: 8 frames, enough for 3 per second

FHR bp: with 24 on the armour, shield, and 10 on the helm, you'll hit 5 frames.

Well I havn't made this character on Bnet, and most likely never will (too much expensive gear :grin: ) but I think it would be unbeatable to any melee under lvl 50. And maybe a lot higher too. By my calculations a lvl35 or so character could go all out on AR, and still only have enough to get around 30% chance-to-hit (don't quote me on this however, just an estimate).

Anyway I challenge someone to make this and see how it goes. Goodbye all sub-50 ww barbs? :laugh:

[gafgarian]

I've got a lvl50 defence smiter like that but he has no res. He has a full req. 897 Ornate so he has lots of +str stuff. He's good for barbs and that's about it. I use gnasher for the open wounds and crushing blow. All u gotta do is bleed the barb then run around until you can finish him. He currently has 12.5k defence.

I'm also wanting to make a lld (lvl30) chanter with a 6 ptopaz bow (or maybe even melee although I already know that sucks because I tried it before) and lightning mastery (I think it affects weapon based lightning damage as well) + thunderstorm.

[Akukami]

Someone on these forums made a high level Defense Smiter and was really disappointed at the results he got. In theory, Smiters are supposed to stand up to most WW Barbs. The reality is that the Smiter, even with Defense, will get run over by a WW Barb who knows what they're doing. To stand a good chance winning, the Smiter will need a high level BO and Shout in order to tank a lot of hits.

By the way, the counters to this Smiter would be Crushing Blow, Open Wounds, Poison Damage, and a series of short, multiple WWs - things that are easily obtained by a Barb.

- Akukami

[gafgarian]

Yes it's true. Defence really isn't as great as it should be IMO. Even with 12.5k defence, angelic barbs of an equal or higher level hit my smiter (and kill him) very easily.

As for the sorc idea, I already know that it's not even close to a match for any cookie cutter type lld but it's just a novelty thing. Elemental damage just doesn't cut it for low levels. Anyone with 75 lightning and fire res will probably end up taking something like 10-20 actually pvp damage from an arrow that actually hits them (since no ravenclaw = no guarantee hit).

[bloodngore]

As for the sorc idea, I already know that it's not even close to a match for any cookie cutter type lld but it's just a novelty thing. Elemental damage just doesn't cut it for low levels. Anyone with 75 lightning and fire res will probably end up taking something like 10-20 actually pvp damage from an arrow that actually hits them (since no ravenclaw = no guarantee hit).
Kinda dissapointing that elemental doesn't work, would open up alot more lld builds.
I also just recently started a lld charger, but didnt go conventional route to get most damage possible.
He is level 18, and can kill most low 40's.
Gear is as follows: Cleglaws weapon, angelic ammy+rings, full sigons.
Skills:1 smite, charge from 12-18, rest left over and from q's into might.
Stats: 65 str, rest vit.
He has about 350 life and does 525 max dmg, he doesn't kill extremely quick, but most chars 10-15 lvls higher have trouble hitting him because of the 74% chance block. Even when they do, they don't do much damage because of the defense bonus's from sigons

[Turtleism]

My lvl29 Bowzon uses howltusk, twitch, angelic rings + ammy (for life), death belt + gloves, 112 50poi dmg full req gothic bow, and gtoes with treads on switch.

Her skills are lvl12 guided arrow, lvl7 critical strike (49%), lvl4 dodge (34%), lvl3 avoid (36%) and lvl3 evade (29%). With hell rush critial and passive's will be higher.

This adds up to 104-355 ga dmg and 300 life, low life is THE biggest pain, but thats what i get for using a 118 dext req 95 str require weapon :)

[Fists of War]

Nice, I can see that'd be great vs. any other lvl 29 lld, except maybe Mr Creepy >.< Or maybe good if he wasn't allowd to recast, as zons have good run speeds and you could use assives to dodge his spears.

but Bloodngore, why use cleglaws? Surely a hammer would give more damage and would still allow you to keep those bonuses you speak of (74 block/good defence)...and they aren't THAT slow...

[bloodngore]

uhhh. good point Fists Of War, i didn't think of that, i might have to go find me one, as long as i don't have to level to use it it would be great.=D thanks for pointing that out

[Turtleism]

Once i get on the right comp i will be able to give my zon a really good testing, i need to see how well i can manage against some good lld's (all i can get atm is nubs and its still very amusing)

Besides, i think she will go rather well vsing chargers (if i can get the first hit in) should be good against pure zealers (move, shoot, and repeat) i can see her doing well vsing sorc's, barb's (ww can be such a silly move if they do it wrong) and even necros (but that will not happen just yet haha).

Its all just a matter of time :)

[Fists of War]

Oh damn my pathetic lvl 29 zeal/charge pally just got owned today multiple times by a lvl 30 bowazon with knockback. I think your idea will work great, as this zon had me about 1 screen away from here, and that's when I was trying to namelock charge her! She just kept pushing me back...However if i got close before she started shooting I could use holy freeze plus gen flail to easily win :)

But that didn't happen a lot, as a crappy pc makes it hard to try and desynch with charge...

[gafgarian]

I tried making a lld bowazon and chargers pwn me, shield or no shield. She's lvl 25 with a 30-77 Rune Bow (no ias). She seems to shoot too slow for me and I got a total of 50ias on her. I think she needs another frame and she'll be a little better. Maybe some +min/max rings. What's the most +dmg ring you can get for a lvl25?

[Fists of War]

Do you have...knockback? That's the difference between an average and a godly lld bowazon :P

Or any open wounds? Chargers will naturally own you anyway, just not mine as he does pitifull damage. If you start firing first you can knockback the charger, bleed him and win easy though.

I think you can get +9 min damage rings at lvl 29, not sure about lvl 25 though.

[WarlockCC]

9 min damage rings tend to be level 51 req in 1.1x. Don't know what their req used to be in previous patches though.
Some other + damage items are :
Iratha's belt : 5 to min
Bloodfist gloves : 5 to min (and 10 ias, 30 fhr, 40 life)
Duskdeep : 8 to max (and 15 res all)

[gafgarian]

Do you have...knockback? That's the difference between an average and a godly lld bowazon :P

Or any open wounds? Chargers will naturally own you anyway, just not mine as he does pitifull damage. If you start firing first you can knockback the charger, bleed him and win easy though.

I think you can get +9 min damage rings at lvl 29, not sure about lvl 25 though.

Yes I have knockback from howltusk. It doesnt help much against chargers. I gave up on this zon already. And I'm certain that +9min has a high lvl requirement, at least 48.

[Turtleism]

Hey guys, new vid i put together. Using a "LLD" def barb. Its pretty amusing and good for a laugh, dam my barb can tank some hits (except from sorc's O.o) hahaha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3XtLNeT4k

[DantesAwakening]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3XtLNeT4k

I got to admit, that's a nice LLD defence Barbarian congratulations.:smiley:

[sickobanza]

is GA 100% hit regardless of ur block/defense?

[Turtleism]

Block does effect GA, as it will block the arrows (its what a sheild is for), and i dont think defence effects it at all. But i might be wrong :)

[squiggle]

Nice video, One of my hopefully future projects is a defence lvl 30 Bvb, When I get some more wealth.

Just tried a char i'm working on and does decent in pubbys. ^^ Alot better then i thought.


Expect a vid lata

Peace

[gafgarian]

Nice vid twinkie.

[fledgeling]

what's your defense? :-)

[Turtleism]

At the time, he had 7.7k def, with around 830 life. Atm he is going under a complete overhaul, with his future rather iffy.

Right now he is at lvl42 using a exe (now realised the novelty of using a exe has worn off), he shall be rebuilt once i have secured a sexy bh or naga (naga is preferd as that range is oh so nice) and he would have 1k life at lvl 35ish ,where he will stay for some time untill i secure a uber sexy secret grim helm :)

[CBK]

Well, I started playing D2 again 3 days ago(after one year of playing WoW, but as I've said before I ahd to quit for the so many time taking game WoW is)and have this pure vit Meph Glitch sorc. So am on this pub trying to get some arcane runs for leveling(am level 15 alreayd in NM w00t!) and this level 1 enters silently and stays for a while. Since I still remember my old D days, I remember how usually people like to xfer in pubs when they can't do it priv, so I thought, hey maybe!!... SO I go act 1 and this sorc (with same account name) level 49 enters. So I play dumb, till I see he starts moving in a direction. immidiately I follow and snatch this nice axe, that IMO would be nice for LLD. Here are the stats, I would like to know if you guys think it is good or what:

+1 barb
+4%ml
+101 ar
+4-9 cd
+4 min damage
level 22 req with 21-47 damage
good or what?(if it's good, I would trade it if anyone wants, am at USWest SCladder)

[squiggle]

Sorry, Not worth anyting imo

Dmg is crap.

Thief ;)

[CBK]

Meh, well, if he wanted it, maybe I can get another newbi to give me a twitchroe for it maybe, cuze I need a twitch really bad xD.

Heh, it's not been a thief, it was an item droped in middle of town :D

[fledgeling]

ban him

it's like saying "I maphack"

[DaRKNeSsS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3XtLNeT4k

Whoa, that's one nice LLD Barb probably the best LLD Barb I've ever seen.

(Because you hardly see any decent LLD Barbs.)

[Turtleism]

I cant say its the best LLD Barb as there is actualy a few lld barbs running around on uswest, many of which are very good (and i know twinkie never beat them all). Besides, when he is remade, he will be soo much better :)

If twinkie gets another vid i will make sure i show him vsing as much of these LLD barbs as i can, even if i lose haha.

[DaRKNeSsS]

I cant say its the best LLD Barb as there is actualy a few lld barbs running around on uswest, many of which are very good (and i know twinkie never beat them all). Besides, when he is remade, he will be soo much better :)

If twinkie gets another vid i will make sure i show him vsing as much of these LLD barbs as i can, even if i lose haha.

Well, I hardly see any decent LLD Barbs that's why I said that, have you seen a lvl 29 LLD hdin called "Mini_Newto" or "Mini-Newto" while you were LLDing?

[VThief]

I think he was mentioned in this very thread at some earlier page.

He generally owns me in lld dvd. My sculpy-build necro fairs better, but bone necros are expected to beat hammerdins.

[DaRKNeSsS]

I think he was mentioned in this very thread at some earlier page.

He generally owns me in lld dvd. My sculpy-build necro fairs better, but bone necros are expected to beat hammerdins.

Yes, that's true a lot of Bone Necromancer builds generally easy hdins.

[Turtleism]

Mini-Newtwo uses tmc so he can synch with ez, we dont duel each other anymore cause we tend to run out of mana befor someone dies :)

He is a nice guy tho his build is lacking the expensive taste that lld bonemancers attract, but just recantly we had a little fun trying to kill the most ppl in a duel game and we kinda lost count haha.

I might have some vids of him flying across the screen that might make it into the Bonerism vid thats in the works atm. Its a shame that not many ppl make lld hammer dins anymore, they can do very well.

[DaRKNeSsS]

Mini-Newtwo uses tmc so he can synch with ez, we dont duel each other anymore cause we tend to run out of mana befor someone dies :)

He is a nice guy tho his build is lacking the expensive taste that lld bonemancers attract, but just recantly we had a little fun trying to kill the most ppl in a duel game and we kinda lost count haha.

I might have some vids of him flying across the screen that might make it into the Bonerism vid thats in the works atm. Its a shame that not many ppl make lld hammer dins anymore, they can do very well.

Yea, he's very good but then he didn't use TMC he could learn to din better.

[Turtleism]

Its makes u wonder tho, if all thoes high lvl duelers came to lld and used hdins things would get very interesting very quickly :)

LLD FC Zons, Blizzers, Fballers, Concen Barbs, Frenzy barbs, ooo it makes me drool just thinking about it ^.^ Specialy since the generaly "weaker" builds will be able to go head to head with the "stronger" builds, then again, thats what llding is all about!

[DaRKNeSsS]

Turtleism what's your account on USWest? I'm curious, my account's DaRK_NeSsS

[Turtleism]

Hit me up on either:

tanis12345
OR
Mentalex

I got lld's on both and im always changing acc's for a different char (when u have a few lld's this tends to happen).

[Rokotsu]

If anyone could post a good Amazon build for lld, Ill be very thankfull

[Turtleism]

lvl29, Guided Arrow BowZon.

Gear:
Death Belt + Gloves
Angelic Rings + Ammy (for life mainly)
Gtoes
Twitch
Howltusk (knockback is what keeps a bowzon alive)
And any Bow with 90+ dmg (something like a gothic bow or a large siege bow)

Skills:
lvl 12 Guided Arrow
lvl 7 Critical Strike
lvl 4 Dodge
lvl 3 Avoid
lvl 4 Evade

Keep in mind this is norm rush and that u will have rather low life, meaning play smart :)
Keep ur distance, have lots of mana ready, and work on ur aim as much as u can with nooblets so when that lld charger rolls up u have a chance. Back urself against a wall/house/lil pond thing and spam away!

Its more of a fun build then a serious lld, mine can take down barbs pretty well but she is packin a nice bow, and there is nothing better then taking down a charger from 2 screens away hahha.

[squiggle]

If anyone could post a good Amazon build for lld, Ill be very thankfull

I have a few zon builds I will be posting videos of soon.

Lookout for that =]

Just figuring out gear on one more build

[Fists of War]

With the reset, we may not be seeing much ladder lld action for a while, but...

What characters would be able to own from day one? That is without much gear at all? Is anyone even going to be llding in the first week ^_^

[squiggle]

A charger with a shopped maul would be ok, I might make one if there are any normal hc games up to Pk on first day =]

I might be busy trying to get to hell a4 tho


Edit: Anyone made a melee zon? Just wanting peoples opinions on this =]

[Turtleism]

For starter llds, im thinking a clegger (ty norm king) or perhaps one that was suggested to me, a full isen lld.

However im thinking a lld smiter is the easiest lld to make (even if i hate them and will never make one ever again).

And yes squiggle i too have thought of a melee zon, me and a friend where going to make a bleeder (gnasher + sback) as it seemed to be a extreamly original idea (and i still do think that).
It was going to have pretty low str, use twitch and gelics with death set, the ideal lvl was about 16-19 with the passives pretty much pumped. However the idea of new ladder quickly caused us to not care :(

Btw just a note, my LAST lld vid is about to hit youtube, i will post up a link soon.

[squiggle]

Ok cool, My LLD vid was planned to have 3 zons, But with reset that died..

I have one zon done, A lvl 19 melee
This is my version. First one w.o rush =]

Sigons helm + boots
Angelic rings + ammy
Twitch
Deaths belt + Gloves
Rare pike with nice dmg, Mine was 141 with cold dmg.

Skills:
1 inner sight
4 dodge
2 crit

1 Impale (First try with zon so was seeing if it was decent)
14 jab (Main attack)

With this and w/o rush/stat quest and 10 points wasted in str she has..


64-289 jab dmg
2297 ar
321 Life.

She did decent against most melee duels, Not as good as a charger but very viable and more fun =] I pk alot with her because people dont expect much from a 19 zon compared to my 13 pally.


My next idea was a passive LLD zon =]

Similar to your idea,

Rare Warhammer and sback, High dodge, Max block, Nice ar and crit strike, Can be done at any lvl, I was going to try 29 or 30, Deciding on valk or not.

Crap long post -.-

Can't wait for your vid =]

[Turtleism]

Ok, i have got the tick of approval by one friend, so this vid is all go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLyO5FxMI-s

Hope u guys like it, the music was a mongral to pick (nothing i wanted went long enough) but eh its all in good fun :)

[Fists of War]

Yeah this is a vid I've had for a while...just from last ladder.

It's not great, just ok...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLMiOVb1h2s

:prop:

[Buhnanna]

how does this look
(lvl 15 charger)
wep:124 dmg pike, 1 cold damage, 6-8 fire damage, 118 ar
armor:angelic armor
rings:angelic rings
ammy:angelic
belt:sigs
boots:sigs
gloves:sigs
helm:3 flawless ame mask

skills:
15 might
4 charge
1 smite (duh)
1 cold resist (for orbers and such)

i have been very sucsessful with this char and only cant beat 30+ necs and javazons and of course ww barbs....
sorry for long post :soapbox:

[Buhnanna]

any if anyone has any builds for like a 25 under zealer help would be great appreciated because i am planning to build one :afro:

[Akukami]

how does this look
(lvl 15 charger)
wep:124 dmg pike, 1 cold damage, 6-8 fire damage, 118 ar
armor:angelic armor
rings:angelic rings
ammy:angelic
belt:sigs
boots:sigs
gloves:sigs
helm:3 flawless ame mask

skills:
15 might
4 charge
1 smite (duh)
1 cold resist (for orbers and such)

i have been very sucsessful with this char and only cant beat 30+ necs and javazons and of course ww barbs....
sorry for long post :soapbox:

Not bad, but this will work better:

Helmet: Sigon's Visor
Weapon: Your Pike / Death's Touch
Shield: Sigon's Guard
Armor: Angelic Mantle
Gloves: Death's Hand
Boots: Sigon's Sabot
Belt: Death's Guard
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2
Amulet: Angelic Wings

Stats: 75 Str, 35 Dex, Base Energy, Rest Vita

Skills: (Assuming you're rushed to Hell A4)
15 Might
4 Charge
1 Cold Resist
1 Fire Resist
1 Lightning Resist
1 Smite

Here's where I think you could add a little versatility:
1 Sacrifice
4 Zeal

Or if not:
3 Cold Resist
3 Fire Resist
2 Lightning Resist

- Akukami

[Fists of War]

Just picked up a "Kinemal's Awl" Sword yesterday...

With +6 to holy fire, average physical damage, and some nice fire damage and AR, it looked good for a holy fire zealer. I tested it with Angelic rings+ammy+armour, deaths partial, goblin toe, and the sword.

At lvl 25, with a hell rush: 1 sac, 3 zeal, 1 smite, 1 charge, 1 might. Max holy fire, rest resist fire.

Does about 550-750 damage, with 25% cb. No shield though, and only an average speed attack. The +holy fire on the sword is a must, as it adds around 200 fire damage to your aura. So don't think about going weapon+shield.

[Buhnanna]

how does this look i wasnt so sure about this build thought i would try.
lvl 26 smiter
skills:
smite: max
charge: 1
holyshield: 4
might: 1
holy cold: rest
holy fire: 1

Gear:
hat: 3 p rubie crown
armor: twitchy
rings: angies
ammy: angie
wep: not sure
shield: 30/20 spiked (didnt find a barbed yet)
boots: g toes
belt and gloves: deaths

any sugegstions? i was kind of wondering about this build and i would appreciate your input.

[Fists of War]

This looks pretty nice...

But you will only be able to put 3 points in holy shield at your level. Also consider a source of open wounds...a lot of people run from smiters. Maybe use boneflesh if it's req is below lvl 26, if not maybe go to 29.

For a weapon:
rare cutlass with +1 pally skills and IAS
The Gnasher unique hand axe (25% cb + 50% ow)
The Generals Tan Do Li Ga Flail (Fast, slows enemies)

LLD smiters aren't really that good. Just annoying to a lot of people :P

[blodorn]

I've been out of the scene for quite awhile, but isn't slow bad manners?

[WarlockCC]

Yes, just like potting mana is bad manners, but unfortunately, people still use it.
I think slow started to be common bad manners with the introduction of the lamebarb (main features : clegs gloves, sword, twitch, swordback,gobs).

Just like Knockback used to be BM for a bowzon, but now that bowzons have been tweaked into non-existance trough the resolution of the pierce-bug, people tend to be more tolerant towards bowzons using knockback. That is, until they lose to a zon using it. :)

[VThief]

Mana potting is BM?!

There would be SO many chars that would be absolutely horrible if they didn't use a few mana pots in a duel. Hell...people would be putting points into energy for once!

[Turtleism]

I dont think mana potting is that bad, slow i have a bit of a problem with, but i get over it rather quickly.

The only real problem i have with lld'ing atm, is the lack of lldr's on west!! I was really hoping this reset would bring back a decent amount of lld's but i havent been so lucky, perhaps its off to east for their "larger" lld population.

Once i kill all the lld's the kreate clan makes for me ;)

[blodorn]

You should come east, it would be so nice to have all the LLDers together. I've never heard of mana pots being BM, only health pots. I've seen a lot of paladins with Holy Freeze and The General's Tan Do Li Ga, very annoying.

[squiggle]

You should come east, it would be so nice to have all the LLDers together. I've never heard of mana pots being BM, only health pots. I've seen a lot of paladins with Holy Freeze and The General's Tan Do Li Ga, very annoying.

Give it a week, You'll see alot more ^^


As for slow I consider it BM but don't cry about it in pubby duels.

(I also despise bsnap chargers being they are one of the most boring LLD chars out there and can make kids think they are god 0.0 )

[Fists of War]

I dont think mana potting is that bad, slow i have a bit of a problem with, but i get over it rather quickly.

The only real problem i have with lld'ing atm, is the lack of lldr's on west!! I was really hoping this reset would bring back a decent amount of lld's but i havent been so lucky, perhaps its off to east for their "larger" lld population.

Once i kill all the lld's the kreate clan makes for me ;)

NOO don't go east >.<

I will probably follow though...just to see the difference in population.

And whats this "kreate" clan??

[Turtleism]

If i go east it i will still have my west acc, no point throwing away all my work ;)

Anyway i just picked up a nice wh for my lvl 12, 39-55dmg, 30ar, lvl10 req. Its giving me much more useable dmg over the 45dmg wh i had.

Im still on the hunt for my first random item for lld, if anyone on west finds a 120+dmg 20ias Tusk sword let me know, its high time for a 2h Zeal/Charger muaahahaha :)

[squiggle]

Does knockback work with thrownweapons? Planning my new LLDer on ladder. Can't be bothered leveling my 15 charget at the moment..-.-

[Turtleism]

I just tested knockback on thrown weapons and it works fine, however u may have just caused me to plan a lld with throwing knifes ;)

[squiggle]

I just tested knockback on thrown weapons and it works fine, however u may have just caused me to plan a lld with throwing knifes ;)


Good to know, All i need now is to scrounge up the cheap gear i have in my mind and level =]


=]

I'm about to make a throw barb lld, Won't leave exact details until he is done and tested.

Two variations in my mind of my barb so far, Not sure what i'll go with to start.


Make it on East! I have a chanter/MFer so i can Rush you norm/nm + level you. Aswell as help you with some basic items. Either way let me know how it goes.

[Fists of War]

My 1st lld on ladder will probably be a lvl 15 charger. I already have my lvl 14 req Halberd. Not too bad damage...as well as +2-14 dmg, AR etc. I've tested it in singleplayer, the halberd looks pretty unique, as well as doing 150-700 damage :P

Just need angelics and sigs and im good to go.

[bloodngore]

i got my lld nec up already =P pretty basic gearing and skills.
gear:
wormskull, umes, woe, mages, treads, nightsmoke, fcr rings, +1 ammy, rare fhr res armor.
skills:
1 all prereqs, 1 bone amor, as much spear as possible, rest ese even as possible into wall/prison.
stats:
VITA, str for gear, rest vita
hellrushed he hit 407 spear dmg, a very basic build but recently killed another lvl 71 nec with him. was very proud. i think its pretty good for how new ladder is atm

[squiggle]

*Bump.

Just wondering what decent damage for a level 19 charge weapon is? I think i found a decent one, But would like to know what nice dmg is first :P

Never really got into chargers.

[Akukami]

*Bump.

Just wondering what decent damage for a level 19 charge weapon is? I think i found a decent one, But would like to know what nice dmg is first :P

Never really got into chargers.

A 15x Pike would be nice. Also a 12x Great Maul wouldn't be so bad either.

- Akukami

[squiggle]

Mine is 12x maul iirc, I'll post mods when I get home.

Can't beleive I didn't do this trade a while ago, I'm pissed about it now.

A 100dmgish pike, level 9 or less req on hcl.

All he wanted was gull.


I WANT THAT PIKE ON SC -.- kek

[fredsta54]

i wuold like to say that i am enjoying my lvl 30 pvp leap attack baba on classic and it would work on classic 2

its hard to use but you can land hits and do good dmg its very fun and its dmg at lvl 30 ish its dnmg is same as chagre in skill ed but with crititcal strike its fun




-Fred

[IsThisNamePermanent]

Ive got about 10 lld char, 8 of them are level 29. I don't see much lld on west sc.

I even made a normal mode meph/andy glitcher just for lld gear, best find so far was a 50% tarn.

[TraderScope]

What is the general opinion on LLD chars and dueling, are they allowed to be rushed trough hell to get the maximium amount of skill points?

[WarlockCC]

I prefer to leave my LLD's in normal, since you can then still see the normal games.

Some builds benifit a lot from those extra skillpoints and/or the extra life.
Personally, I guess I'm not really against it, since certain builds are just very underpowered if they don't. Mind you, I think any char should be made as low as possible to be a LLD
A level 12 charger is a LLD in my eyes.
A level 18 or 25 charger is not.
At level 25 you can take on level 70 sorcs with your charger, so such a char doesn't really have any business in a LLD game.
I can see bowzons at level 24 or higher as LLD, but not Chargezons.
Spear Necro's can be made effective at level 21 and very effective(with fcr, life and res gear) at level 23.
Any char using a level 30 skill is not a LLD to me.
All these views are personal though. :)

[Deuterium]

Hmm I'm planning on settling my brand new (and first ever pvp build for me) Cleg Zealer at level 18 - think that would still be LLD? I know it's very subjective but I would like to be able to wear the name with pride so to speak :D

No level 18 skills, just zeal, sacrifice and a 1 point-wonder-in might

[TraderScope]

I prefer to leave my LLD's in normal, since you can then still see the normal games.

Some builds benifit a lot from those extra skillpoints and/or the extra life.
Personally, I guess I'm not really against it, since certain builds are just very underpowered if they don't. Mind you, I think any char should be made as low as possible to be a LLD
A level 12 charger is a LLD in my eyes.
A level 18 or 25 charger is not.
At level 25 you can take on level 70 sorcs with your charger, so such a char doesn't really have any business in a LLD game.
I can see bowzons at level 24 or higher as LLD, but not Chargezons.
Spear Necro's can be made effective at level 21 and very effective(with fcr, life and res gear) at level 23.
Any char using a level 30 skill is not a LLD to me.
All these views are personal though. :)

Would you still treat a lvl 29 fireballer sorc as LLD or not?

[WarlockCC]

Would you still treat a lvl 29 fireballer sorc as LLD or not?
Not really. Fireballers are not known to be underpowered. :)

[Still-Xey-Lover]

How do you feel about these two : http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3314/screenshot003ub6.jpg and http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6286/screenshot002li4.jpg

Can get 10 fpa with rune bow + deaths + twitch :p

[TraderScope]

First I thought that the bow is Charsi-quality, but then I don't know.. it adds some nice dmg, but has no IAS.. so mayb I let some LLD pro answer this one :)

[Lorg]

How do you feel about these two : http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3314/screenshot003ub6.jpg and http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6286/screenshot002li4.jpg

Can get 10 fpa with rune bow + deaths + twitch :p

With runebows one should aim for 9 frames and that requires 20 ias from bow. Otherwise its just a gothicbow with less str req -> for rune bow that is nice dmg for its level but as it lacks ias its dmg is actually competing vs gothicbows.