Most powerful pvp char?

[mhl12]

Well, i've never really played classic much online but my friend has and he told me a few things. Since classic has an a lot less items than expansion (no runewords, high end uniques, charms, etc.) is there actually a most powerful pvp char? I know, there isnt really a straight answer for this. Obviously, it will probably boil down to a a few chars.

So my question is, what do you think is the most power pvp char/build?

My friend's choice is bone necro. Why? b/c no one is immune to your bone spirits and bone wall/cage come really handy in classic where only sorcs can tele. Iron maiden also comes extremely handy in combination w/ bone way against melee chars.

Of course other possible candidates are sorcs, hammerdins, and maybe others. So what do you guys think?

[koeraokse]

hammerdin and ww baba were very strong but I think the stronges 2 were the bone necro and orb sorc...


*priit

[fredsta54]

a 110 fcr fire sorc is pretty damn strong at pvp. Consideirng there is no absorb in classic and u can manuvere faster than anyone else it does pretty well. Even when my sorc duels opponents who have es/high life and wear hotspurs i win by playing very defensively. Against an opponent w/ 75 or below fire resist and low fhr (a lot of ppl neglect fhr) i just teleport on top and spam fballs till they die. Being stunned they cant defend themselves or run away.

a godly Frenzy barb pretty much owns all except other barbs. Barbs are pretty much the only decenty melee chars on classic. A few zealots now and then but their mainly 4 style.


Fred

[dantheman5415]

I would have to say BVA barbs can do well the most consistently.
Just use Naga/BH along with Twitch and Swordback for melee chars, and a nice 2handed weapon with rattlecage/hawkmail for casters. And of course, lots in Increase Speed

Its always the speed that gets them ;)

[xxdemonicaznxx]

my din kills gg fire sorcs in us west all i do is dodge fireballs and then lead them to ur hammers

[Gorny]

my din kills gg fire sorcs in us west all i do is dodge fireballs and then lead them to ur hammers


Is that dinner ?

Oh you must mean "hammerdin"

[TheCerberus]

I would have to say BVA barbs can do well the most consistently.
Just use Naga/BH along with Twitch and Swordback for melee chars, and a nice 2handed weapon with rattlecage/hawkmail for casters. And of course, lots in Increase Speed

Its always the speed that gets them ;)
Agreed. But bonemancers, hammerdins, orbers, CSers, lots of builds do well. If I had to pick one from each class, I'd go with:
1) BvA mentioned above
2) Hammerdin = charge
3) Fireball
4) CS Java
5) Bonemancer

[Classics]

Oh you must mean "hammerdin"

Din is slang for Paladin or Hammerdin in classic. It's heard everywhere. DvD= Din vs Din, not Druid v Druid (which could easily be confused)

[newerest]

I think a mod would know that "din" means hammerdin.

[Dacar92]

I think Gorny must have had dinner on his mind... :lol:

[AXHeroes]

I think Gorny must have had dinner on his mind... :lol:
Hammerdin use charge maybe the most powerful pvp character.
FOH din is also strong I think.

[ethos]

1) Bone necro
2) Foher
3) Good hammerdin who knows how to desync
4) Orb sorc

All the above will beat a BvA fairly easily.

[Immortality]

Orb sorcs ownz joo all

nuff said.

[Murrogh]

I vote Bone necro. The sorcs have the problem that sum 1 have focus their gear (3 soc sheild :eek: ) and make you do almost no damage against them as do FoHers. Its hard to kill a ranged char with a hammeradin.

[mhl12]

Hammerdin use charge maybe the most powerful pvp character.
FOH din is also strong I think.

That kind of build is called a liberator.

[Immortality]

I vote Bone necro. The sorcs have the problem that sum 1 have focus their gear (3 soc sheild :eek: ) and make you do almost no damage against them as do FoHers. Its hard to kill a ranged char with a hammeradin.

Yeah back in 1.09 I didnt really think of 3 p saps in a shield as really usefull and i didnt see anyone with that either....bummer. Now pretty much every single barb does that.... ok fine im exagerating...but neway alot do.

Orb sorc > Bone necro
any day

[sculpen]

Yeah back in 1.09 I didnt really think of 3 p saps in a shield as really usefull and i didnt see anyone with that either....bummer. Now pretty much every single barb does that.... ok fine im exagerating...but neway alot do.

Thats due to the fact that most .09 sorcs used orb + thunderstorm. And orb did about 40% less damage. Also i believe they changed how cold mastery worked in 1.10. Now 99% of sorcs are single element so its worth it to just stack all resists into one element.

[ethos]

Orb sorc > Bone necro
any day
Yes, i must agree that orb sorcs PWN bone necros. I mean, With my BM orber, I can stack on so much magic resist that their main source of damage is completely anulled; My orb DOESNT get absorbed by the bonewalls they hide in; Their attacks DONT kill me in 7 hits; Their attacks DONT Stun me; And it DOESNT take 15 perfect orbs to kill them; Oh, and i DONT have a delay time in between casting orb and teleporting, so cant get stunned by their NON-TRACKING attacks.

[sculpen]

Yes, i must agree that orb sorcs PWN bone necros. I mean, With my BM orber, I can stack on so much magic resist that their main source of damage is completely anulled; My orb DOESNT get absorbed by the bonewalls they hide in; Their attacks DONT kill me in 7 hits; Their attacks DONT Stun me; And it DOESNT take 15 perfect orbs to kill them; Oh, and i DONT have a delay time in between casting orb and teleporting, so cant get stunned by their NON-TRACKING attacks.

Cheers to that. :drink: :drink:

[mhl12]

Yes, i must agree that orb sorcs PWN bone necros. I mean, With my BM orber, I can stack on so much magic resist that their main source of damage is completely anulled; My orb DOESNT get absorbed by the bonewalls they hide in; Their attacks DONT kill me in 7 hits; Their attacks DONT Stun me; And it DOESNT take 15 perfect orbs to kill them; Oh, and i DONT have a delay time in between casting orb and teleporting, so cant get stunned by their NON-TRACKING attacks.

so what will you do if the necro stacks cold resist? :D

[Immortality]

Yes, i must agree that orb sorcs PWN bone necros. I mean, With my BM orber, I can stack on so much magic resist that their main source of damage is completely anulled; My orb DOESNT get absorbed by the bonewalls they hide in; Their attacks DONT kill me in 7 hits; Their attacks DONT Stun me; And it DOESNT take 15 perfect orbs to kill them; Oh, and i DONT have a delay time in between casting orb and teleporting, so cant get stunned by their NON-TRACKING attacks.

Amen to that brother

Could you tell me your stats for your sorc? i'd like to get some tips for building mine.

[Murrogh]

Magic resist? please elaborate. I know rockfleece has dmg reduced by 10% but.....

[Classics]

I personnally think the most powerful PvP is yet to be found or doesn't exist. As for the most commonly successful, I'd have to say a good BvC or BvA. A well made one seems to pack on the kills, and of course rarely sees the 'was slain by' sign as there life is high enough to make an easy escape before death.

I like the thing about Orb sorceress', but almost all Sorceress are quickly shunned by a BvC or even a good hammerdin.

People don't explore a lot of potential though.
I think that Amazons are completely underated. WAY too underated.

[Dacar92]

I personnally think the most powerful PvP is yet to be found or doesn't exist.

That is a very profound statement. If it doesn't exist than someone has already found the most powerful.


I think that Amazons are completely underated. WAY too underated.

Now you're talking!

[fredsta54]

I think that Amazons are completely underated. WAY too underated.

I agree. a well equipped PvP bowazon is incredible and can be much more than a toy dueler.


Fred


BTW: im working on a mini guide for classic PvP bowazons :)

[Arctickhan]

I vote Vengeance-Fana pallies...also "who" uses Charge,Smite,Holy Shield(ZeeeeeeepH!!!)

[Murrogh]

Ethos what is magic resist? I have never heard of it.
anyone ever played a charged strike javazon. they are pretty fun pvp and can beat babas if you have enough dodge/good shield. and are also good pvm.

[mhl12]

I agree. a well equipped PvP bowazon is incredible and can be much more than a toy dueler.


Fred


BTW: im working on a mini guide for classic PvP bowazons :)

actually, i dont really think that pvp bowzons can do that well b/c these just not that many good bows. Dont forgot that bowzons got really nerfed in 1.10. Instead, imo, a well built javazon is a lot better.

[Immortality]

I like the thing about Orb sorceress', but almost all Sorceress are quickly shunned by a BvC or even a good hammerdin.



Orb sorcs really pwned back in 1.09, but since every1 stacks cold res the thing about babas are correct. WW is way over powered these days. The ww does multiple hits one you.

B NET FIX THAT!!!!! >.<!!!!!

Most pvp hammerdins just stay in one place and hope that some1 will run into the hammers....Btw hammerdins were uncommon in 1.09


Bow Zons...they arnt as great as they used to be, due to the lack of good bows. Bow zons are item dependent.....*cough*bow*cough*. Back in 1.09 I had a good lvl 37 bow zon that really owned due to the fact that a friend quit and gave me his "dart"

BTW dart and harp were the best classic bow back then. Dart was better for pvp and Harp was better for pvm. They did like 80-100 damage, I hope in the new patch better bows will come out, unlike the crappy 3-14 damage bows you can buy in act 4 hell difficulty. I think the bows were deleted by B net for the fact that it was a rare bow and every one of those bows you trade for are identical. In other words their're duped. I donno, my old account expired so correct me on that if Im wrong.

[Standard Legal Tender]

Orb sorcs really pwned back in 1.09, but since every1 stacks cold res the thing about babas are correct. WW is way over powered these days. The ww does multiple hits one you.

B NET FIX THAT!!!!! >.<!!!!!

Most pvp hammerdins just stay in one place and hope that some1 will run into the hammers....Btw hammerdins were uncommon in 1.09


Bow Zons...they arnt as great as they used to be, due to the lack of good bows. Bow zons are item dependent.....*cough*bow*cough*. Back in 1.09 I had a good lvl 37 bow zon that really owned due to the fact that a friend quit and gave me his "dart"

BTW dart and harp were the best classic bow back then. Dart was better for pvp and Harp was better for pvm. They did like 80-100 damage, I hope in the new patch better bows will come out, unlike the crappy 3-14 damage bows you can buy in act 4 hell difficulty. I think the bows were deleted by B net for the fact that it was a rare bow and every one of those bows you trade for are identical. In other words their're duped. I donno, my old account expired so correct me on that if Im wrong.

I don't agree about your comments on a hammerdin. They do not cast hammers and wait for someone to run into them. Desyncing hammerdins are in fact one of the strongest PvP chars right now in my experience. A hammerdin who knows what he is doing will desync up to you, lag your screen and 1hammer slain you before you can even see him. If you play U.S west i would glady show you how it is done. This of course, is my personal opinion. :cool:

[mhl12]

I don't agree about your comments on a hammerdin. They do not cast hammers and wait for someone to run into them. Desyncing hammerdins are in fact one of the strongest PvP chars right now in my experience. A hammerdin who knows what he is doing will desync up to you, lag your screen and 1hammer slain you before you can even see him. If you play U.S west i would glady show you how it is done. This of course, is my personal opinion. :cool:

true but there are so many people who just sit there casting hammers on pubby duels so people tend to forgot how a hammerdin should really duel. (no offense to all hammerdin players out there.)

[arcso001]

Imo desycing just ceap. Really good duellers dont nead to exploit bugs.

[Standard Legal Tender]

Imo desycing just ceap. Really good duellers dont nead to exploit bugs.

Im guessing you mean "cheap". Tele-ww is a bug and most of the speeder barbs I know use it. Desyncing is probably what makes hammerdins a viable pvp char.There are more bugs than desync, people do use them, and those people are very good duelers. I don't agree everyone who uses bugs in duels are not "good duelers", because they are. If you don't use bugs, you shouldn't say people who douse them can't duel.

[TheCerberus]

1) Bone necro
2) Foher
3) Good hammerdin who knows how to desync
4) Orb sorc

All the above will beat a BvA fairly easily.
Foher wouldn't do anything against a BvA.

[WNxZerker]

charge stun hammer = how to pvp with hammerdin.
charge to close, stun to lock, hammer to kill all with cincentration aura on.
plus charge recieves +20% damage per lvl of vigor wich is also a synergie for blessed hammers so it is viable to use at slvl1, if you max it with synegies then you can kill with charge alone. I've been in a few games where this tactic has been used and they start complaining "I thought you where a hammerdin" and then have to change thier setup.
also if you are making a pvp specific hammerdin I sujest using fanatasisim as all +damage% auras add damage to hammers in classic and fanat does 373% at slvl20 where as conc does 345% also the IAS on fanat will help with charge and stun.

Zerker

[Standard Legal Tender]

charge stun hammer = how to pvp with hammerdin.
charge to close, stun to lock, hammer to kill all with cincentration aura on.
plus charge recieves +20% damage per lvl of vigor wich is also a synergie for blessed hammers so it is viable to use at slvl1, if you max it with synegies then you can kill with charge alone. I've been in a few games where this tactic has been used and they start complaining "I thought you where a hammerdin" and then have to change thier setup.
also if you are making a pvp specific hammerdin I sujest using fanatasisim as all +damage% auras add damage to hammers in classic and fanat does 373% at slvl20 where as conc does 345% also the IAS on fanat will help with charge and stun.

Zerker

There is actually a lot more to PvP Dins than charge stun hammer. :lol:
I also started a post on chargers, anyone may feel free to contribute with advice or suggestion. :thumbsup:

[ethos]

fanat does 373% at slvl20 where as conc does 345% also the IAS on fanat will help with charge and stun.
Fanat and might dont increase hammer damage. Its a client-side glitch, so although your character screen might display 10k damage, its only dealing 2k. My freind had to remake when he discovered this :p

[purplelocust]

Fanat and might dont increase hammer damage. Its a client-side glitch, so although your character screen might display 10k damage, its only dealing 2k. My freind had to remake when he discovered this :p
Correct- I made the same mistake. I had dreams of a 3-aura hammerdin trio dealing out massive damage, and though the numbers show crazy high with three active auras, the only aura that actually increases hammer damage is Concentration, oh well. There are reasons why MongoJerry calls it the Lying Character Screen...

[Standard Legal Tender]

Hey i've seen ethos around with his orber and light sorc :D . Me and my friend alan(Celestial)were ridiculously owning your light sorc with our blizzers lol. No hard feelings :lol: /.

[Gorny]

I think Gorny must have had dinner on his mind... :lol:


Somethin like that.

[fredsta54]

actually, i dont really think that pvp bowzons can do that well b/c these just not that many good bows. Dont forgot that bowzons got really nerfed in 1.10. Instead, imo, a well built javazon is a lot better.

Get 60ias and use a 140+ gothic bow. Pump dex. Imo a bowazon with knockback and 8 or 9 fpa guided is the best character to kill a speeder barb. Bowazons are nerfed but they are still viable and extremely fun. When i duel with my bowazon she does not seem underpowered compared to most of the other noobs in pubby duel games

[Standard Legal Tender]

Get 60ias and use a 140+ gothic bow. Pump dex. Imo a bowazon with knockback and 8 or 9 fpa guided is the best character to kill a speeder barb. Bowazons are nerfed but they are still viable and extremely fun. When i duel with my bowazon she does not seem underpowered compared to most of the other noobs in pubby duel games

It seems kind of wasteful to make a character for the purpose of killing speeders and noobs don't you think? Basically any character in the hands of an experienced player can own noobs. As for speeders, I can think quite a few builds that can completely nulify them. But bowazons are very fun to play indeed, I have one myself with a nice 110 rune bow. :yep:

[ethos]

Hey i've seen ethos around with his orber and light sorc . Me and my friend alan(Celestial)were ridiculously owning your light sorc with our blizzers lol. No hard feelings /.
You and alan pwnt me :(. Cant actually remember when, but 2 vs 1, especially blizzers, does seem a little unfair, doncha fink :D ? btw, i know alan, but who are you?

[fredsta54]

It seems kind of wasteful to make a character for the purpose of killing speeders and noobs don't you think? Basically any character in the hands of an experienced player can own noobs.


Its not a char built to kill noobs and speeders. I just said it excelts as killing them. A bowazon with good gear and plays smart is just as good as any other character, when it comes to settling disputes in the blood moor.

Fred

[Classics]

Too bad you play East, Fred, otherwise I'd duel your Bowa with mine. Mine's well equiped with a sexy 141 IAS Goth and achieves 10 frame with ease... I do agree that good Javazons should and do do better in duels.

Ethos, I've seen you around too. Remember that little Bowazon which your Speeder and Light sorc had troubles with :P Bursts! (acct Cecil-X)

[Standard Legal Tender]

Too bad you play East, Fred, otherwise I'd duel your Bowa with mine. Mine's well equiped with a sexy 141 IAS Goth and achieves 10 frame with ease... I do agree that good Javazons should and do do better in duels.

Ethos, I've seen you around too. Remember that little Bowazon which your Speeder and Light sorc had troubles with :P Bursts! (acct Cecil-X)

I remember bursts, I think i saw you in a pub duel game with my sorc, Tgo-SilentSnow....maybe..

To Fred: So your saying a bowazon is a good as any other character? I've never seen one kill a good bone necro. ;)

[Classics]

I remember bursts, I think i saw you in a pub duel game with my sorc, Tgo-SilentSnow....maybe..

To Fred: So your saying a bowazon is a good as any other character? I've never seen one kill a good bone necro. ;)

Yes, I've dueled you many times. Sadly, you won more duels then I won :\. Hehe.

I agree with Standard, Bowazons just can't compete as well as some of the more prominent classes. It's a shame, truly. Blizzard's best trait when they make games has to be 'unbalanced'.

[ethos]

OMG. Enraged coon is a BVB. no a frikkin speeder! Martel barbs aint bvb's, i hear you say. Well, i think it can hold its own in most bvb games. And whenever i ww locked your zon u were dead ez! With light sorc it was a litte harder :(

Oh, and Tgo, gimme ur acc, and ill duel you some time, my light sorc vs ur blizzer?. Im *ethos-1

[Classics]

Haha... Yah, lock kills me soo easily. lol. But i've got new skill :). But again, Bowazons can't compete up to standard blah blah blah blah blah. The whole thesis of this conversation should be that Bowazons just can't compete well anymore. Argue it if you want, but it's the truth on the most fragile level...

HOWEVER, Javazons can do very well if properly wielded.

[fredsta54]

To Fred: So your saying a bowazon is a good as any other character? I've never seen one kill a good bone necro. ;)

I agree bone necros are the hardest matchup for bowazons due to their bone arnour. However. Even if they have good gear, if they run towards you their block drops to 1/3, and chances are is that there reg block is not 75, if they have a "godly" 30/20 bone shield then their block while running is reduced to 20%. That can make them victims to a volley of fast guided arrows, although if they block themselves off from you by bonewalls, walk, and snipe you out with spear, good luck :(


Fred



EDIT: you say the bowazon cant compete against other classes its own level, like what?

[Standard Legal Tender]

OMG. Enraged coon is a BVB. no a frikkin speeder! Martel barbs aint bvb's, i hear you say. Well, i think it can hold its own in most bvb games. And whenever i ww locked your zon u were dead ez! With light sorc it was a litte harder :(

Oh, and Tgo, gimme ur acc, and ill duel you some time, my light sorc vs ur blizzer?. Im *ethos-1

My Account is Fallen_angel123, i think I dueled your 90 orv svs as well, we tied 2-2... but i didnt have ammy on at the time.....im pretty sure i wanted to buy yours for sojs but you wouldnt sell me :( .

[iMMoRTaL GuaRDiaNz]

-= Hammerdin =-
Perks: Can be a well rounded char vs all if used correctly, (With the use of desynching using charge correctly, not poorly). Can easily stack vs Cold & Fire @ the same time (Hawkmail, Nokozan, Hotspur, 3 PSaph Shield, Thaws).
Downsides: Necros have more control over a Hammerdin in a duel with the use of Bone Prison, however the din can still win but not high chances 1v1.

-= FoHer =-
Perks: Own just about any Sorc, Barb, Java, Hammerdin.
Downside: 1 Bone Prison any FoHer is done. Might kill Nec still but chances of escape = slim to none.

-= Smiter =-
Do people still make these classic 1.10? Lol.

-= Orber =-
Perks: Range of orb can be used to your advantage over other sorcs.
Downsides: Orb can easily be stacked against leaving your sorc to do extremely low damage.

-= Blizzer =-
Perks: Tear anything up with normal/low Cold Resist.
Downside: Do average damage vs any stacker. 250%+ Cold Resist used against a Blizzer can easily make a Blizzer weak.

-= Fireball/Meteor =-
Offside Plug-in: My personal favorite if you play Softcore Classic Ladder and wanna fb Vs fb msg *iG-GhoSt =)
Perks: Speed of Fireballs. Do massive damage to any Sorc using Energy Shield... =)
Downsides: Fire can easily be stacked against with Nokozan & Hotspurs. =(

-= Lightning Sorc =-
Never made never seen a good one on classic :/
Perks: Good damage and most people don't expect lightning sorcs so half the time they have low resists. Not as easily stacked against unless using Iratha's Set, Darkglow <who uses this junk though? ^^
Downsides: Weak min damage.

-= Speed Barb =-
These type of chars can go many ways on classic. Depending on gear etc.
Any speeder with high resists and a good damage weapon, and a little experience with how to dodge spells/hammers/spirits correctly can be good.
Downsides: Iron Maiden + Constant Prisoning of a Necro can force a Barb to play leap and zerk/conc. FoHer's can easily play 'Bull Fight' with you and have you running around chasing him like a maniac.

-= BvB =-
Perks: none?
Downsides: Try dueling something other than another BvB. =)

-= Bowazons =-
Perks: I havent made one on classic since 1.09... However Dodges now work against spells which I find retarded...
Downsides: If you're guided don't expect massive damage like 1.09 when every arrow actually pierced back and forth ^^

-= Javazon =-
Perks: Good damage
Downsides: *deleted*range... unless you know how to properly use CS 'bug'..

-= Spirit/Spear Necro =-
Perks: Great vs many chars, but require smart usage of your skills.
Downsides: Sorcs have more control over you if your resists arent high, forcing you to run around dodging when you can just stack and tank like a *deleted*^^

-= Minion Necro =-
*Sigh*....

Sorry if I just wasted everyones time typin this I just felt like doin it =P

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[Stage]

"Real" classic was pre-1.08.

The Sorc was theoretically unbeatable, but of course it didn't work that way in real gameplay - although some got pretty close...

Other strong classes were especially the Barb and Amazon, followed by the Necromancer, with the Paladin coming in last, although not by a huge margin.

[Arctickhan]

I agree with Standard, Bowazons just can't compete as well as some of the more prominent classes. It's a shame, truly. Blizzard's best trait when they make games has to be 'unbalanced'.

i agree i thought Blizzard guys in some kind of digital love take a look at amazon class uniques probably you'll understand me...but i must say amazon is the most sexy girl in Diablo...hey, isn't that weird?

[weep]

i'm not sure where some of you get those answers from... the best pker in classic is hammerdin pally hands down. Huge damage/life/block/defence/speed.. charge + vigor is like telewalk. A lot of people mentioned sorcs.. sorcs can be effective but they can also be very easily stacked against, making them more of a nuisance than a threat in a tpk game. Necro's can also be very effective if you know how to play them, especially with AA or even scroll for bone prison/spirit. Nec's are also great for camp/guard. In conclusion.. i'd say for TPK pally and necro are about equal(like 1 nec 1 bar 2 pals as opposed to 1 bar 3 pals) but for those 1v5/6/7 solo pk games, nothing beats a skilled hammerdin player.

[mhl12]

Necro's can also be very effective if you know how to play them, especially with AA or even scroll for bone prison/spirit.

somebody needs to read the rules...

edit: oops already banned. nvm then.

[Murrogh]

The only "good" hammeradins I have seen pvp are the type who do sync lag and tele on top of you. I hardly think that is a legit pvp strat. The main problem with them is range. a fire sorc can stay off their screen w/ ease and snipe with 110 cast to make it nearly impossible to dodge.

[Standard Legal Tender]

The only "good" hammeradins I have seen pvp are the type who do sync lag and tele on top of you. I hardly think that is a legit pvp strat. The main problem with them is range. a fire sorc can stay off their screen w/ ease and snipe with 110 cast to make it nearly impossible to dodge.
It's not a hack so why isn't it legit? Maybe it's a bug blizzard meant to put there to even things out :uhhuh: . Spurs+get off screen then desync up to him, never lost to a fb sorc before, ever.

P.s-Range of fb is very very small..not hard to dodge :p

[fredsta54]

Lightning sorcs are godly in classic. There are not items like hawkmail and spurs to negate it. The only items you could use are full ithara set, and darkglow, which suck.


And when i say lightning sorcs i dont mean sorcs who use the skill lightning (slow casting, easy to dodge, not THAT high avg damage)



Fred


edit: hammerdin///charge hybrids are awesome!!! (forget what their name is called, v/t? something like that....)

[DougDadyUsWest]

also if you are making a pvp specific hammerdin I sujest using fanatasisim as all +damage% auras add damage to hammers in classic and fanat does 373% at slvl20 where as conc does 345% also the IAS on fanat will help with charge and stun.

Zerker

fanat does not add damage to hammers... nor does might... this is a display bug of 1.10... in 1.09 might/fanat/conc all worked for hammerdins, and most of them used fanat in hardcore because it helped out the party more ( amazons ) but didn't give the barbs so much dmg they'd die from IM in one hit.

[fredsta54]

Personally i think BvC barbs, or speeders (2 diffirent types of barbs) are the best duelers overall. Some classes can beat them if they are skillled, but in pub games, which is where everyone duels, barbs will get the most kills and survive, which is what PvP is all about



Fred

[Classics]

I do agree that Barbs have a higher killing average (speeders), but normally you don't see them die half as much due to the fact that they can just flea to town when their life gets relitively low, with little threats of dying. And of course, they normally are jerks who think they're all that who NK and TK. Well, that's a vauge generalization.

[Murrogh]

I agree bone necros are the hardest matchup for bowazons due to their bone arnour. However. Even if they have good gear, if they run towards you their block drops to 1/3, and chances are is that there reg block is not 75, if they have a "godly" 30/20 bone shield then their block while running is reduced to 20%. That can make them victims to a volley of fast guided arrows, although if they block themselves off from you by bonewalls, walk, and snipe you out with spear, good luck :(


Fred



EDIT: you say the bowazon cant compete against other classes its own level, like what?

Do you still have a bowazon on the ladder fred? I'd like to duel it.
I've dueled many high level zons with my 69 charged strike zon and all were slaughtered.

[fredsta54]

no, i dont have the zon anymore, sold her bow for 2 sojs to get new gear for a diff char.

I can tell you what she used tho

deaths combo
twitch
47-94 rune bow w/ 20 ias
30 r/w boots with 2ish fr/cr/lr
9 min ring with cr and fr
15 dex ring w/ lr///fr
+1 zon pris ammy stacked cr

She was a nm dueler, and was at lvl 51 to use her 9 min ring.