View Full Version : Poisonmancer...scourge of the pubby duels revisited!
semisonic9
14-03-2005, 23:53
For those of u on diabloiinet, this is a continuation of an earlier discussion, here and on gamefaq.com about the merits of the poisonmancer or "Annoyomancer" in pubby dueling. In gerneral, mos tof these strategies are to be used benevolently, and I usually only break out the really nasty ones for pubboes where some rectum has gotten out of hand and needs some tough love.
OK, firstly mine is not "pure" Annoyomancer...I didn't get points in bone prison because I wanted to be able to duel as well. Basicly, that means if I want to inprison naked chars and taunt them (anybody but sorcs will bbe stuck, naked!), I gotta us charges from the marrows. The trade-off is that I have ~600 in bone armor.
Otherwise, the annoyomancers ability to regulate BM behavior is pretty godley, due to the annoying feature of being able to curse ppl while in town, and because some of the curses have huge range.
For those who don't know, the "Annoyomancer" is a poison necro with points in bone prison whose main goal is to irritate the crap out of ppl. Maxed poison skills, most curses, and a 1 point firegolem (FB sorcs hate this) with the rest in golem mastery are all part of the package anyway. My fire golem has roughly 9.5k life with a mediocre BO and quite a few skill points left to earn.
If ppl misbehave, I have choices between:
Lower Resist: Hope you don't run into any sorcs out there while this is on you, or trappers either. if u come near me, you will definately have to visit akara at the least, or you will simply die. I can usually cast on the whole field in like 3 seconds, the radius is that frikin huge. Also, some ppl stack res and go "Ho ho, even with LR my poison res is maxed! I pwn u!" until they realize I have another -75% from my gear. Even if they do kill me, I get a death-nova from my die facet, usually takes all melee chars with me. U can't NK me if ur naked in town too, and my nova is strong enough naked Im gonna win any "run for the body" battles. :-D
Iron Maiden: For those barbs who tick me off, especially if I see someoen BM-ing my trapper. Oh baby, they hate this! Cast it on em in town, because the raius is teeny-tiny and it's hard to aim it. Yes, it is BM...that is why it is only to be used against those who are, themselves, BM.
Amp: Great for zons who wanna pk, any melee will own them in seconds. Also see Life-Tap
Decrip: Annoying, combining slow and amp affects, but the small duration and low radius makes it an unweildy choice for the pure annoyomancer.
Life-Tap: Oh babay, those melee guys better be nice to you! A barb and this build will pwn pretty much every other combo in the game, except a TG conviction/sorc combo. Cast it on ppl and other ppl in the game will hop on them like dogs.
Bonewall: I usualy forget to use this, but against chargers it has no rival. If u can get 2-3 up in time, u have time to cast LR, get a nova off, and tele until u either get a 2nd nova off or he dies from the fire-golem radius...which is annoying to those mighty chargers.
The only char who has really bugged me with this guy is an AA zon nailing me from 3 screens away while I was coming from town. Lucily a naked light sorc teamed up with me and pwned him, so no biggie.
Most fun I've had online was with a nova sorc geared with Infinity and good fcr...I'd LR everyone on the screen, she'd clean up, and if anyone tried to take me out they got a poison nova in the face. With my curse and her conviction, everyone was at -100res in no time. GG, 2v6 and we pwned mighty frikin hard.
Characters easily beaten include:
Wind druids, hammerdins, ES sorcs (tough if they tele like nutters, but stay mobile and I usually win), most barbs (the BvC require max block, which I didn't go for) and chargers.
Players that are difficult: Bowazons and trappers. That's it. Their damage and range output is too high for u to poison them unless u get lucky, even then u will probably die while they are at 1 life, and they tend to be out of death-nova range. BvC barbs also have lots of life and damage, so they can be tricky as well. If they don't go BM on me, I tend to leave them alone as I have no block. This is basicly a run and try not to die battle for me, but i usualy end up with a tie do to the DIE facet nova or fie-golem explosion finishing them off. They do not like this, their godly and very xpensive build being "annoyed" by a lowly venomancer.... ;-D
*dirtydozen131
or
*chocolatepuddin
you are sadly mistaken about the barb, and if any of my friends are also online im sure they will be glad to duel u with the so called easy builds.
semisonic9
15-03-2005, 07:09
*dirtydozen131
or
*chocolatepuddin
you are sadly mistaken about the barb, and if any of my friends are also online im sure they will be glad to duel u with the so called easy builds.
Eh, w/e. People are always all defensive about their builds. "OMG, my build pwns urs!" Yeah...the point was just that the build was very good for "adjusting" some of the BM in pubby's in ur favor. Unclench and move on.
I'm *JoeReid, btw, if u are that motivated.
CookiesnCream
15-03-2005, 07:33
"OMG, my build pwns urs!"
Isn't that basically what you said in your post?
Phyrexial
15-03-2005, 09:38
When Luis destroys your build, tell me. I want to watch. *pulls out popcorn*
Inuyasha
15-03-2005, 15:06
W00T!!!!111ONE11
I want to be the announcer, just so I can yell "Luis, wins. FATALITY" into the microphone.
Also, why couldn't you just continue in the thread that you had before? Seems kind of pointless to make a completely new, flame-inducing thread, doesn't it?
Do you simply not know how to use the "pages" of the forum to find your old thread? If so, I'll help out the lazy with this link.
http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=322301&page=5
There, you can go see the original masterpiece, and avoid this crap. Hurrah!
-Daman = Da Man
parkerbsb
15-03-2005, 17:01
Woah guys you need to seriously chill. Joe's a pretty knowledgable guy, WOAMG my build pwns urs!!1!1!shift eleventy one... WHO CARES, the build is fun to play with and he is just commenting on his results so far, if you take insult you might want to try somthing that I like to call "RELAXING".
Obviously this build isn't gonna pwn every barb, or zon, or whatever... he is commenting on AVERAGE pubby duels.
yo, hes the one who said a psn necro>nearly every build, which is completely untrue and misleads new people.
you may consider it a fun/unique build that can beat average duelers, but it wont touch any decent dueler.
its either slow with high dmg or 125%fcr with low dmg. psn necs need max block too otherwise they will die way too easily to: charge and bowazon/ww(both already win anyways).
you can compare this build to a foh build, sure it beats average duelers, then go vs someone who can stack your -resist and you're screwed.
parkerbsb
15-03-2005, 21:41
... and did he anywhere say "This will beat GODLY built PvP'ers"? I can't read that anywhere in his text. He is talking about a build to annoy the heck out of BM'd pubby duels. It's not like he said "I can trounce anyone in clan honour with this build".
Agreed pubby duels =/= true dueling; but that wasn't the point of this thread. Please read before you start flapping your gums saying your godly such and such build can beat somthing meant to annoy and frustrate 12 year olds kk? Thanks.
Highest regards
P
CookiesnCream
15-03-2005, 22:45
... and did he anywhere say "This will beat GODLY built PvP'ers"?
This sounds pretty close to it:
They do not like this, their godly and very xpensive build being "annoyed" by a lowly venomancer.... ;-D.
Um, he said he could easily beat: "Wind druids, hammerdins, ES sorcs (tough if they tele like nutters, but stay mobile and I usually win), most barbs (the BvC require max block, which I didn't go for) and chargers." Barbs, Wind Druids, Hammerdins, and ES sorcs usually fall under the category of "godly PvPers".
Players that are difficult: Bowazons and trappers. That's it.
Sounds to me like the only character classes he has difficulty with are bowazons and trappers. And considering that he earlier did state that he could easily beat Barbs, Windruids, hammerdisn, and es sorcs. It sounds to me as if he's saying:
My build > Wind druids hammerdins, es sorcs, most barbs, chargers except for bowazon and trappers.
you may consider it a fun/unique build that can beat average duelers, but it wont touch any decent dueler.
It's not even a unique build, there are tons of poisonmancers or "annoymancers" (which sounds like just poisonmancers that uses various curses and bonewall which all poisonmancers do) out there.
They do not like this, their godly and very xpensive build being "annoyed" by a lowly venomancer.... ;-D.
By the sound of your post, it sounds to be as if you have "xpensive" gear as well. Considering that if have enigma/bramble/poison facets/arachnids/sojs/HOTO/etc...... All of which are expensive to get your hands on.
Characters easily beaten include:
Wind druids, hammerdins, ES sorcs (tough if they tele like nutters, but stay mobile and I usually win), most barbs (the BvC require max block, which I didn't go for) and chargers.
he says these builds are easily beaten, which in reality easily beat a psn nova necro except possibly a charger.
who said anything about godly? you dont need to be anywhere near godly to beat a psn necro.
beating clan honor builds isnt somethign thats hard since they have rules on eveything, unless u play by their rules.
before you starting talking, maybe you should actually read whats being said. semisonic said that his build will easily beat: {insert names of nearly every major build}; which is completely untrue.
Learn to read,
thankyou
semisonic9
16-03-2005, 01:11
It's not even a unique build, there are tons of poisonmancers or "annoymancers" (which sounds like just poisonmancers that uses various curses and bonewall which all poisonmancers do) out there.
By the sound of your post, it sounds to be as if you have "xpensive" gear as well. Considering that if have enigma/bramble/poison facets/arachnids/sojs/HOTO/etc...... All of which are expensive to get your hands on.
A) There are no unique builds anymore, welocme to synergies.
B) I'm hardly "1337!" or anything, in fact I have left the game and my accounts to another person on the gamefaqs forum, and only hop on to play some of my favorite duelers, hang out with ppl I knew. My poisonmancer, boner, and trapper are all "upper-middle" class, no more. I don't bot, MF, or even rush anymore, so my game wealth is pretty static.
C) Yah, ppl got way to excited about it. PPL, for crying out loud, the post says "pubby duels" right in the frikin topic. You wanna duel me, fine, message the ac****s I gave. (First, ask the guy if it's CHou or Joe...don't duel CHou, he's not very good with either of my favorite builds) but don't get all huffy with the "OMG< my builds Leet and urs suxxors! let's dool!" crap, that's really annoying. Any godly 1 v 1 dueler is gonna fall prey to some tactics in pubbies, and this char has the best chance of going around them, as well as being a capable dueler. Windy's and stuff realy aren';t a problem for me, at best them manage a tie and die in my death-nova. Then they NK me cause they are mad and I proceed to make their life interesting.
D) Reading comprehension is a good thing...the entire post is about pubbies. Also, if u did bother to read the other thread, or even this thread, it's mainly about getting revenge on annoying chars in pubbys. I can usually team up with a trapper and LR ppl, or any one of a variety of tactics to get around the crap you see all the time in a pubby that makes it no fun. Reading=good.
E) Thanks, park, for being the voice of reason. This forum apparently gets very inflamed, needs to take a holiday.
Funny, first you say ur build beats just about anything then you come out with "oh no why are you all telling me im wrong".
you act like your build is the best, but when someone points out otherwise you say "its for pubby duels!" or anything among those lines.
So what if its for pubby duels? i duel in public games too and so do most people every now and then. so not really everyone in public games will suck.
there are unique builds, welcome to synergies? How often do you see frost zealots, vengence pallys, wc barbs, multi element sorcs, etc in dueling games? Even v/ts and other pally varients aren't that common.
good job though, pointing out how bad our reading skills are though. i mean if you tell people ur build beats basically everything then get defensive when we inform you otherwise, maybe you need to touch up your writing skills.
Inuyasha
16-03-2005, 02:22
To be honest with you, I only really have one problem with this thread. You decided to create a completely new one when one exactly like this already existed, and already got replies, and was, in fact, created by you! There was no excuse to make a new one and waste space.
CookiesnCream
16-03-2005, 02:28
C) Yah, ppl got way to excited about it. PPL, for crying out loud, the post says "pubby duels" right in the frikin topic. You wanna duel me, fine, message the ac****s I gave. (First, ask the guy if it's CHou or Joe...don't duel CHou, he's not very good with either of my favorite builds) but don't get all huffy with the "OMG< my builds Leet and urs suxxors! let's dool!" crap, that's really annoying.
I wasn't arguing whether or not any chars could "pwn" your poisonmancer. I was specifically responding to this post:
... and did he anywhere say "This will beat GODLY built PvP'ers"? I can't read that anywhere in his text.
And I said it before, it sounds as if you still said
My build > Wind druids hammerdins, es sorcs, most barbs, chargers except for bowazon and trappers.
And right here too:
Any godly 1 v 1 dueler is gonna fall prey to some tactics in pubbies, and this char has the best chance of going around them, as well as being a capable dueler.
You still sound like you're saying "my build > yours".
Yah, ppl got way to excited about it. PPL, for crying out loud, the post says "pubby duels" right in the frikin topic.
So there are no good pvpers in pub games? Not all pub games erupt into nk fests.
Windy's and stuff realy aren';t a problem for me, at best them manage a tie and die in my death-nova.
So basically, you're saying your build > Wind Druids?
parkerbsb
16-03-2005, 02:59
See cookies what I was saying is that his post said "Pubby Duels" not OMG my annoymancer can beet all ur perfect PVP builds. If you read the entire post NOWHERE does he say that he is comparing pubby's to private duelers.
I'm not going to bother replying if you can't comprehend basic english, thanks for the waste of a decent discussion guys; I'm actually dissapointed that the people here are as prone to getting defensive and becoming exactly like most of the pubby idiots out there.
Darth have fun trying to get them to understand basic english concepts.
Peace out boyz, have fun in your so-called supremacy
Mark for trolling or whateve you'd like I doubt I'll be wasting my time to post here again.
Sincerest regards
Parker.
CookiesnCream
16-03-2005, 03:51
See cookies what I was saying is that his post said "Pubby Duels" not OMG my annoymancer can beet all ur perfect PVP builds. .
No, you said this and this is what I was replying to.
.. and did he anywhere say "This will beat GODLY built PvP'ers"? I can't read that anywhere in his text..
If you read the entire post NOWHERE does he say that he is comparing pubby's to private duelers. ..
So there are no "godly built PvPers" in pub duels? I've seen plenty of them. And was I even talking about private vs pub duels? I'm talking about him saying "my build > these builds" not about him comparing pubbys to privates.
thanks for the waste of a decent discussion guys; I'm actually dissapointed that the people here are as prone to getting defensive and becoming exactly like most of the pubby idiots out there.
I already pointed out various instances where he implied that "my build > all of these builds". I'm talking about builds and character classes, not "private" vs "pubs". I'm not even sure whether he's talking about private or pub duels has anything to do with what I was saying. Wind Druids are still wind druids, it doesn't matter whether or not you're dueling in a private game or a public game. And where exactly did I even get "defensive"?
Darth have fun trying to get them to understand basic english concepts.
Peace out boyz, have fun in your so-called supremacy.
The only person who asked for a duel was luis19....
Phyrexial
16-03-2005, 06:54
Back when I still played this game, I dueled predominantly in pubbies. Me = Pubby dueler thus this thread applies to me. If Luis does most of his dueling in pubbies as well, then this thread applies to him as well. Semisonic is saying that this build is best equipped to beat a wide range of duelers in pubbies and I believe that to be untrue. I think Luis's barb is far more capable of decimating full rooms of pubbies than any psn-mancer.
To disprove Semisonic, it only makes sense to get some duelers from the classes Semi says he can beat easily and have him duel them. Luis is representing the BvC barbs. If Semi mentioned Bone necros I would be challenging him to prove his words.
Like Semi, my wealth is also static. I haven't changed my duelers at all in well over a year.
parkerbsb
16-03-2005, 14:24
Well I guess I am generalizing my statements too much then. The average pubby dueler can't even beat my Bliz-MF sorc. I'm talking about the majority of B.net, just because you duel predominantly in public duels does not mean you are the average pubby dueler.
I'm sure most if not all of the people on this board could woop my Bliz sorc, however when someone talks about pubby duels they usually mean the potting/nking/townguarding di**wads out there. Granted this build does exactly that, however it's more to get back at the rest of the bnet populace (wich isn't exactly helping the situation... but that's another story completly). I just think semi wanted to tell you all that this is a ejnoyable build that can handle pubby's gone wrong.
Final point is just because some ebaying 12 year old has godly equip, it doesn't mean he knows how to duel right, wich is why I'm saying pubby VS private. I know there aren't many private dueling leagues (if any...) any more, but people that are GOOD duelers don't fall into my (and obviously semi's) view of a pubby duel.
Sorry for the angst in my post yesterday... I guess I need to relax after work before checking message boards. I hope this post makes my viewpoint a little clearer.
Necrochild313
18-03-2005, 16:32
I believe that any build can be exceptionally good if someone good plays with it. I personally enjoy playing with a venomancer, as it is more challenging to duel with, and thus more fun. (Mine is NOT an "Annoyamncer" or what have you)
I could say that the typical pubby dueler will go down to one in a single nova (since -res in gear increases poison length), and 1/2 of them won't have base magic damage reduction so fire golem will take them out, but that doesn't mean anything, as I try not to prepare for "best case scenarios", or boast about them. Things I would personally boast about would be when I repeatably beat a FOHdin that had stacked res so high that it was maxed in hell naked, or how I'm getting better against trappers with him, to the point where I kill most of the ones I run into, or taking out two AA Tele/WW barbs at the same time who used beast + botd without taking a single point of damage (however I'm not saying I can kill anyone who plays with the above builds, ect.).
I don't agree with semisonic to the point where he lists builds easily beaten. I don't think "Builds" themselves have any credibility, but the players behind them. I've been beaten by "builds" that I would normally not have a problem with. However, with the shoe on the other foot, many in this thread are attacking the actual venomancer build without regard as to who's playing it either.
nowdays everyone has perfect gear and all the charms, and pubby duelers aren't all that bad either if they simply hose around 20k damage shots, five people doing that compensates for alot of lack-of-skill
that poison mancer thing of yours might piss off some people in the game because u can amp and lr and iron maiden them in town and say rofl gg owned just cause u made them run to akara to get rid of the curses.
problem is, the moment u step outside ur still just a necro with crappy health who gets pwned in one fireball or one cs or two wihrlwinds or two tornadoes or 1 hammer.
besides, nova is slow traveling and slow acting and low radius. anytime u can hit them with a nova, which takes them to SLOWLY to ONE health, someone else can teleport right through your nova and take you to QUICKLY to ZERO health with tornado/ww/fireball/lihgnting/cs/blahblahblah
theres not much skill you can inject to a crappy character with a crappy attack
pretty obivous this thread writer, from his 2 repeat posts withno other purpose than to brag, is just some idiot who looked at the arreat summit skill descriptions and decided pnova+curses is annoying. which is true. for the 30 seconds before u get owned and town guarded.
oh yea, ever hear of something called antidote poison stacking?
semisonic9
19-03-2005, 00:34
pretty obivous this thread writer, from his 2 repeat posts withno other purpose than to brag, is just some idiot who looked at the arreat summit skill descriptions and decided pnova+curses is annoying. which is true. for the 30 seconds before u get owned and town guarded.
oh yea, ever hear of something called antidote poison stacking?
Yeah...reading still = good, and now you wanna get personal about it and call people idiots? I'm sorry you're so frikin threatened by the build, but grow a sack and get a life, loser!
Yeah, I've had ppl antidote me, as well as try Full Rejuves on me...it kinda flows though that the ppl who must BM to win are not too bright, and they usually don't think of that. I don't BM ppl who have been GM, as you would know if u read. Reading > You.
You'd be amazed though how hard it is to WW or FB a fast moving target who knows how to dodge. Skill > You, apparently.
Your windy with stacked res. wants some? Great, 3 nova's with LR and -res gear later he's gonna be hurting, especially if he's slow enough to let me nova him and tele out. His minions will start to die off, and once Oak goes he's toast. ES sorcs have no life, and are not set to counter this build. 900 life goes in seconds, even if u have maxed res after all my gear and the PvP penalty. FOH I can usually tele in and take him out before he gets off the second FOH. Sometimes they get me, but then die in the Death Nova from the facet... *shrugs* I call that a tie.
TG me all you want, your still gonna have to deal with my popping out and cursing you while you duel other ppl. It's actually tough to NK me, I pop out, curse, usually my fire golem gets toasted, but you still have LR for 70 seconds, or you gotta go in and cry to akara....both of which accomplish my goal of getting you back for being BM.
I am sorry this thread is only answered by illiterate ppl with low self-esteem, I had kinda thought better of this forum. I guess you guys will continue to be annoyed by the "annoyomancer" as long as u underestimate him. That's probably what makes him effective anyway. Laterz.
cry pls :D
gotta love those kids who try to sound smart
and i am not amazed at how fast u need to tele to catch a necro trying to dodge. thats cause i play barb, and i kill necros. the ones that i cant kill i can count on one hand, and ur not on there kid
i think this boy here got owned one too many times and needs to invent some build to justify getting kicked from pubbie to pubbie :p
g'luck withyour "annoyamancer" and godly town cursing pwnage
:D
Yeah...reading still = good, and now you wanna get personal about it and call people idiots? I'm sorry you're so frikin threatened by the build, but grow a sack and get a life, loser!
Yeah, I've had ppl antidote me, as well as try Full Rejuves on me...it kinda flows though that the ppl who must BM to win are not too bright, and they usually don't think of that. I don't BM ppl who have been GM, as you would know if u read. Reading > You.
You'd be amazed though how hard it is to WW or FB a fast moving target who knows how to dodge. Skill > You, apparently.
Your windy with stacked res. wants some? Great, 3 nova's with LR and -res gear later he's gonna be hurting, especially if he's slow enough to let me nova him and tele out. His minions will start to die off, and once Oak goes he's toast. ES sorcs have no life, and are not set to counter this build. 900 life goes in seconds, even if u have maxed res after all my gear and the PvP penalty. FOH I can usually tele in and take him out before he gets off the second FOH. Sometimes they get me, but then die in the Death Nova from the facet... *shrugs* I call that a tie.
TG me all you want, your still gonna have to deal with my popping out and cursing you while you duel other ppl. It's actually tough to NK me, I pop out, curse, usually my fire golem gets toasted, but you still have LR for 70 seconds, or you gotta go in and cry to akara....both of which accomplish my goal of getting you back for being BM.
I am sorry this thread is only answered by illiterate ppl with low self-esteem, I had kinda thought better of this forum. I guess you guys will continue to be annoyed by the "annoyomancer" as long as u underestimate him. That's probably what makes him effective anyway. Laterz.
dont hate post pls.
a bvc barb can catch any caster. a skilled fireball sorc will hit a skilled teleporter.
deaths hand + jade + treks go a long way.
psn mancers are good for all cept super stackers or any player thats smart enough to avoid novas.
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