wAT WEAPON DOES THE MOST DMG

[Filo01]

ok i know eth botd warpike perefect % ed is best of the best but i want sigle hand weapons....

so botd zerk ... grief zerk. etc which does the most dmg ...


and is the only reason grief does a mass of dmg is beasue of ignore defense i don't seem to understand ......


this should answer my chargedin weapon picking

it's killing me on has made a guide on chaergedin .... to help me compare my though to others .......

[Chimaira]

Grief does so much damage because the 340-400 damage is added directly to the base damage of a weapon... A phase blade normally does 31-33 but a perfect Grief would do 431-433 which is HUGE..Of course damage isn't everything you also have to consider the other mods on your weapon... but here Grief does very well too with the 20% deadly strike, -25% target defence 30-40% Increased attack speed and the venom/-poison resist combo... making for a very nice charger weapon. Grief is best suited in 1-handers because they will benefit more from the 400 added damage than a 2-hander will. Hope this helps..

[Sir SDG]

actually in terms of RAW damage on weapon Id think eth death zerk would do more than botd zerk... with the %DS and crushing your average damage will be more than 400%ed ebotd zerk. BUT in terms of TOTAL damage from a weapon inluding all mods on it. last wish may outrank all on a single handed weap with the might aura and base ed along with crushing blow... IMO this weapon may be the baddest of the bad... BUT like death it has no IAS and is rather expensive to make which puts it out of reach for common use. AND it has to be in a NON eth weap which lessens its damage as well...


Ive been collecting eth death zerks from traders. ( ive got some of the worst ed ones around that I traded for a song on. ) IMO these are possibly the best zealot weapons around. theyre cheap relatively speaking, dont need repair and have great crushing and deadly strike. a great clone killer.


plus IMO its a MUCH better weapon for a melee pally than grief . but then again Im a big fan of crushing blow and deadly strike... And I realy do hate my charicters lookin like all the rest...

:)

[Chimaira]

This is PvP so crushing blow isn't really much of an issue..Last Wish doesn't have indestructible mod which means that even with the lvl 17 might aura (200%Enhanced damage) it won't outperform the EBOTD in raw damage, that being said the crushing blow would be totally awesome in PvM..

I assume that Death zerker= Death Cleaver berserker axe???

Although this weapon is very nice Grief would still be better because you can get the deadly/critical strike from other sources (Gorerider, Highlords, Duress.. etc) and in raw damage nothing really beats Grief in a 1-hand, can also be made in a phase blade which is very fast, so less IAS dependant. still it is probably cheap, but it sounds like the original poster has acces to most if not all the high-end runewords.

[DistortedRiff]

I assume that Death zerker= Death Cleaver berserker axe???



"Death" runeword (EDC doesn't have CB)

[Chimaira]

"Death" runeword (EDC doesn't have CB)

Oopsie...

Note to self: Read others posts thourougly before opening big fat mouth :(

[Sir SDG]

a perf last wish does more base damage than a perf grief.
479.25 max on LW zerk
471 on grief zerk:D
8 WHOLE LESS PNTS!!!



its not OMG more but still your wrong ... naa naa naaa naa

I cant recall the base dam on eth zerk... but I think perf eth "death" does have higher damage than grief as well.


im not sure what the penalty is on DS in pvp but I do believe that eth death may do more damage with a DS hit than ebotd.

but since I already gave u a sound Pffffth :)...

[derekdoo]

i dont agree i think cb does do a good amount of damage in pvp, of course its not recommended to soley depend upon but id rather have 50% cb on a weap than 50% ed, anymore then is too much i suppose

[Filo01]

thankz all 4 the reply i've decided 2 go 4 a as perfect as i can afford zerk grief .......

and 4 shield still tossing up with pheonix and exile ..... but that a q & a 4 anther day




...... :P

[Sir SDG]

thankz all 4 the reply i've decided 2 go 4 a as perfect as i can afford zerk grief .......

and 4 shield still tossing up with pheonix and exile ..... but that a q & a 4 anther day




...... :P

to save you the Q tomorrow..

IMO HOZ is hands down THE ONLY choice for smiters. Id even highly recommend it for a charger as well the +skills greatly outdoes the defiance on exile for all but the most tankin of build ( and IMO the only pally that should stand there and take a beating while tryin to give one is a zealot)

before anyone says boo about choosing a shield for a smiter based on BAMage im gonna pnts out to you one very important thing ALL PALLY SHIELDS AVERAGE 45-46 damage............... thus Im of the opinion choosing a Lower skill shield for ed or vortex for a higher MAX damage on a smiter is about the dumbest thing you can do. Even eth alma negra pales compaired to a regular old crappy ed hoz for a smiter.

and if you feel your smiter just cant live without defiance then you shouldnt chase WW barbs who use pikes and have 5 range..... ( I can explain that if I really need to)

Exile is good for Two things.. if it wasnt for those Two things Id never even loook twice at it. ONE: its probably the ultimate zealot shield for PVM because of the massive defence and life tap.. and TWO: life tap... if you like being a bad mannered cuss who should be nked to hell and back.

other than that nothing comes close to HOZ for a paladin.

[Stoutwood]

a perf last wish does more base damage than a perf grief.
479.25 max on LW zerk
471 on grief zerk:D
8 WHOLE LESS PNTS!!!



its not OMG more but still your wrong ... naa naa naaa naa

I cant recall the base dam on eth zerk... but I think perf eth "death" does have higher damage than grief as well.


im not sure what the penalty is on DS in pvp but I do believe that eth death may do more damage with a DS hit than ebotd.

but since I already gave u a sound Pffffth :)...

Last wish only gets that damage if you put it in an ethereal Berserker, which I wouldn't suggest since it has 26 durability and doesn't have an Indestructible mod. A normal Last Wish Zerk will get a max of 347, assuming of course you get a perfect roll in a perfect superior weapon. Death will get a higher max than Grief, but since the Max and the Min are the two least likely values to hit, the average damage should be considered when looking at weapons. When it comes to average damage, Grief wins hands down.

[Sir SDG]

Last wish only gets that damage if you put it in an ethereal Berserker, which I wouldn't suggest since it has 26 durability and doesn't have an Indestructible mod. A normal Last Wish Zerk will get a max of 347, assuming of course you get a perfect roll in a perfect superior weapon. Death will get a higher max than Grief, but since the Max and the Min are the two least likely values to hit, the average damage should be considered when looking at weapons. When it comes to average damage, Grief wins hands down.

nope I figured it with 200 ed from might and 385 ed from perf roll on 71 Base.

71 + (385%ed) (200ed from might)=

now my math may suck somewhere but I do recall using 71 base.

[Stoutwood]

The Might doesn't factor in on the base damage of the weapon. It is simply added to the ED% that you get from Fanaticism.

[Chimaira]

Listen to what Stoutwood says...and don't make stupid noises when you don't know what you're talking about.

A Last Wish berserker axe would do

71 max damage becomes 72*4,85=349
24 min damage becomes 25*4,85=121

So Last Wish would do 121-349... compare this to a perfect Grief Phase blade that dies 431-433 AND is much faster....average damage would be

Last Wish=235
Grief=432

Even when you factor in the might, Grief is definitely the superior weapon in raw damage.. you could go ethereal as Stoutwood say but who has 3 Jah runes to burn???

[Fallen Creation]

Even when you factor in the might, Grief is definitely the superior weapon in raw damage.. you could go ethereal as Stoutwood say but who has 3 Jah runes to burn???

Don't forget the Mal, Sur, and Ber.

[Chimaira]

Don't forget the Mal, Sur, and Ber.

Of course how could I have forgotten them... Oh wait maybe because it's impossible to collect all these runes legitly... The guy who designed these runewords=bozo the clown.

[Sir SDG]

Listen to what Stoutwood says...and don't make stupid noises when you don't know what you're talking about.

A Last Wish berserker axe would do

71 max damage becomes 72*4,85=349
24 min damage becomes 25*4,85=121

So Last Wish would do 121-349... compare this to a perfect Grief Phase blade that dies 431-433 AND is much faster....average damage would be

Last Wish=235
Grief=432

Even when you factor in the might, Grief is definitely the superior weapon in raw damage.. you could go ethereal as Stoutwood say but who has 3 Jah runes to burn???

thanks thats the first jackass reply ive gotten in a month:)

have a nice day..! I will just turned 32 today..

[Chimaira]

thanks thats the first jackass reply ive gotten in a month:)

have a nice day..! I will just turned 32 today..

Congratulations:) have a good one... Don't want to be mean.. but misinformation=bad:(

[aznbboi16]

You did come off sounding very arrogant (and you were wrong) SDG, so I see perfectly good reason for his response to you.

Last wish is pretty much ruled out because of the fact that it isn't indestructable. The 200%ed from might multiplies the damage on your weapon, charms, jewels (if any with +dmg) and adds them directly to your final damage.

So say you have your perfect Last wish and 117 damage from charms:

(349 + 117) x 2.00 = 932 damage added directly to your final damage.

Now lets say you have 1000%ED from fanat, whatever skill, and str.

Grief PB = (436 Max + 117 Max charms) x 10.00 = 5530 Max

Last wish = (349 + 117) x (10.00 + 2.00) = 5592 Max

As you can see, Last wish really isn't all it seems. Sure you get a pretty aura, but it really doesn't add THAT much damage. Don't forget, Grief PB's min damage will still be somewhere in the 4.3k range, whereas the min dmg from Last wish will be quite a bit lower (~1.5k).

With a high %ED, higher damage weapons, +dmg charms/jewels are more important than more %ED.

[Sir SDG]

You did come off sounding very arrogant (and you were wrong) SDG, so I see perfectly good reason for his response to you.

Last wish is pretty much ruled out because of the fact that it isn't indestructable. The 200%ed from might multiplies the damage on your weapon, charms, jewels (if any with +dmg) and adds them directly to your final damage.

So say you have your perfect Last wish and 117 damage from charms:

(349 + 117) x 2.00 = 932 damage added directly to your final damage.

Now lets say you have 1000%ED from fanat, whatever skill, and str.

Grief PB = (436 Max + 117 Max charms) x 10.00 = 5530 Max

Last wish = (349 + 117) x (10.00 + 2.00) = 5592 Max

As you can see, Last wish really isn't all it seems. Sure you get a pretty aura, but it really doesn't add THAT much damage. Don't forget, Grief PB's min damage will still be somewhere in the 4.3k range, whereas the min dmg from Last wish will be quite a bit lower (~1.5k).

After I posted this in response to stoutwood "
nope I figured it with 200 ed from might and 385 ed from perf roll on 71 Base.

71 + (385%ed) (200ed from might)=

now my math may suck somewhere but I do recall using 71 base."

IMO his reply is jumping on the bandwagon.

stoutwood said this "The Might doesn't factor in on the base damage of the weapon. It is simply added to the ED% that you get from Fanaticism"

and thats where my math went haywire... my understanding was that the aura bonus is factored onto the base damage of the weapon.

[aznbboi16]

I was demonstrating why Last wish is just a terrible weapon in general. It costs how many high runes? And ebotd, grief and probably even oath destroy it in terms of damage.

But the way you tell people they're wrong when you don't even have the correct information is arrogant...And then you get angry when other people tell you you're wrong... :rolleyes:

[Chimaira]

IMO his reply is jumping on the bandwagon.

As you said yourself your math went haywire... just wanted to show you how it's done properly... and if there are only 2 people supporting each opinion, people might think that one is as good as the other, which isn't the case here.