View Full Version : A LF IAS question, and some advice plz
I've looked through the threads, but can't seem to find one outlining what the attack speed breakpoints are for Lightning Fury with a Titan's. I've been looking at building a lightning zon for hell cows, try and find some good socketed items (I used to use my hammerdin, but he accidentally killed the king. =/ Lightning's much safer.)
If someone could let me know what the breakpoints are, or point me to a thread that has them, I'd appreciate it. Also, if I could get your opinions on my setup... I'm just using gear laying around, I don't have anything really godly. I'm trying to go for pure damage, so my resists will probably blow. =P
Shako (/w 3/5 light die facet)
Ormus' robes (15% light damage and again, 3/5 light die facet, +3 lightning on the robes for what it's worth)
Razortail
Eth 165% titans
Moser's /w 2x eld runes (76% block for an amazon!)
Manald heal
Ravenfrost
Cat's eye
Rare gloves with 1 to jav skills, 20 ias, 25 mf and some other mods
And waterwalks
My merc will either be... a holy freeze with vampgaze, shaft, and kelpie snare (anyone know if slow target works with the freeze bursts?), a defiance with a stone I'll make (gotta get um and pul, got a eth 734 defense great hauberk to put it in), steel pillar (low enhanced damage, but 75% defense) and vampgaze, or I might go the strange route and put my full sazabi set on a barb merc.
Skill wise, it'll be very simple - max Lightning fury, every one of it's synergies, and put one point each into the passives.
Any pointers/advice would be greatly appreciate, thanks!
~ Ed
Throw breakpoints for matriarchal javelin: (LFury)
0% 14
6% 13
16% 12
30% 11
52% 10
89% 9
Attack BP for normal attack for matjav:(CS)
0% 11
10% 10
26% 9
50% 8
95% 7
Jab BP for matjav:
0% 8
2% 7,5
7% 7
15% 6,5
24% 6
40% 5,5
63% 5
99% 4,5
168 4
395 3,5
For pure lightning zon you will be using charged strike against bosses. Keep in mind that you get one additional charged bolt at 30 and another one at 35 and so on. So I would focuse on +skill gear more to get to 35. (But that is not so important if you will be only cowing)
For general play and questing I would get more +skills and more resists (Mara's instead of Cat's Eye)
I have tried cowing, and herding the cows is easier without a mercenary. (You want to gather as much cows as possible in one great mob, and with mercenary they tend to split more) Especially bad choice for cow running is the Holyfreeze one.
I use my SP lvl 93 LF/CS zon for Baaling with HF merc.
Ah, thank you - I'm not using up'ed, I'm afraid, being on nonladder, so they're only ceremonial. However, being that they have the same base speed, those numbers will still work.
Looks like I'd be able to do alright with my current setup for cows... As I mentioned, once I get her to the cows, it's going to be pure cowing for her. I will only be using her for finding decent base items to put runewords in. The main thing I'm hesitant about is the shako/rare gloves... I'll have 75% mf. Not much, but I'd rather 0. Maybe if I can trade for some +2 jav/20 ias no mf gloves... hrm.
The shako, on the other hand... I think, if I used anything else I'd lose some power. I'll stick with that. So I suppose the 25 mf on the gloves won't make enough of a difference to matter. Eh, I'll think about it - if I can get my hands on andy's visage (unlikely) I'll use that, 'cause it'll boost me to the next framerate in all categories... almost. Jab will be 3% short. I'll have to think about it. For now, the shako will be fine.
Thanks for giving me this information, I really appreciate it - it's been bugging the hell out of me. And also thanks for the tip about the merc. Saves me the trouble of leveling him to find out he's not going to work. =P
Probably best 2nd choice for Helm besides Shako (and in some cases it's a lot better) is Griffon's Eye.
I am doing Cow runs with 200 MF and still see plenty of grey items, so I think you should not be worry about 50 MF from Shako.
Rare gloves with +2java skills +20IAS are the best (well, maybe magical +3java/+20IAS are better). And they are not so tough to gamble/craft.
And don't worry about the runes to upgrade the Titan's - you will get your PUL soon in Moo Moo Farm.
Probably best 2nd choice for Helm besides Shako (and in some cases it's a lot better) is Griffon's Eye.
I am doing Cow runs with 200 MF and still see plenty of grey items, so I think you should not be worry about 50 MF from Shako.
Rare gloves with +2java skills +20IAS are the best (well, maybe magical +3java/+20IAS are better). And they are not so tough to gamble/craft.
And don't worry about the runes to upgrade the Titan's - you will get your PUL soon in Moo Moo Farm.
Only problem with Griffon's Eye and up'ed titans is that they both require you to be a ladder character - and I'm not. I agree that Griffon's Eye would be preferrable, particularly since I'm pouring everything I have into massive lightning damage. However, to get one on nonladder requires more in a trade than I am willing to give.
And ... I hadn't even thought about 3 jav/20 ias gloves. Thank you. Those would be best for this char, I think.
For nice magic gauntlets with +javelin skills, go shopping at Anya in act5, Hell difficulty, she often sells that kind of items
I myself have bought +2/3 javelin or bow skills gauntlets with 20% IAS or life/mana leech from her several times.
RetroStar
13-03-2005, 14:45
Valkyrie Wing is nice if its just for cowing.
Valkyrie Wing is nice if its just for cowing.
I thought about that. Valk wing, however, requires 115 strength - 40 more than the ormus's robes I plan on wearing. I'm not sure if the investment into strength is worth it, particularly since the shako I have already has a 4/5 (I know I said 3/5 earlier, but I've since checked) light facet in it. It's tempting, though... If I found a new light facet I'd prolly go ahead and put it in a valk wing for her.
Otherwise, her gear is fairly low strength - 47 for waterwalks, 50 for shako, 53 for mosers'. She's got 20 to start, I've already put in 10 ... can't remember for the life of me WHY I did that, but I did. So she's got 30 base right now - 1 more point and when she puts on titans, which are only 15 str req, she'll have 50. Enough for everything but the moser's and ormus' robes.
So if I have 30, and will have another 22 from gear, that puts me at 52 - I'll need another 25 before I can consider her strength high enough. I honestly am thinking that all things considered, I'm better off sticking with the shako and just dealing with the mf problem.
If anyone has any comments as to my skill selection, or strategy suggestions (Besides get the cows in a big group and LF away!) then I'd appreciate it... also, anything else that you can think of regarding items would be welcome.
One more thing. Normal titan's could be better than ethereal. If you don't plan to up them... Sometimes you will have to wait for replenish and it's a lot faster to repair them in town.
One more thing. Normal titan's could be better than ethereal. If you don't plan to up them... Sometimes you will have to wait for replenish and it's a lot faster to repair them in town.
I'm actually hoping, since I'll be soloing them and using a fair amount of +% light damage (A total of 22, currently... if I can get hold of a griffons eye that's been brought down from ladder, then I'll push that up a bit. Recently came into possession of a 127x defense dusk nigma and 4x soj, a am hoping to do some creative trading to increase my wealth) along with currently 10% -light resist, it won't take too many LF's to destroy the majority of the cows. Which means I'm expecting to rely equally on LF and CS, giving my titan's plenty of time to replenish.
I may, however, decide to put my 175% normal pair on switch for situations where she's running low. Always nice to have backup, just in case.
As a side note - I'm going to have about level 5 peirce from +skills, and razortail... that'll be 55% from my skills. I'm going to wear razortail, for another 33 - which means I'll have 88% peirce. I'll have to test and see if that's enough, I'll hold onto a couple skill points to push that to 96 just in case. But I have been thinking... I haven't really played a javazon before. If I am using LF with peirce, and my jav peirces the first cow... it sets off an entire new set of LF's when it hits the next, correct? Can anyone tell me how this works?
Each pierced javelin releases another Fury bolts (EDIT: if it comes to something where it can be released - monster or wall). Released fury bolt hits all monsters in its way.
EDIT: on my Athlon 2600, 1GB ram, Radeon 9800Pro, if I have very large cow mob, and something like 200 lightning bolts are released it slows the picture per second significantly...
So upping pierce can get you far more damage than upping LF levels. If you want to be as good as possible, 100% pierce is a must.
Each pierced javelin releases another Fury bolts (EDIT: if it comes to something where it can be released - monster or wall). Released fury bolt hits all monsters in its way.
EDIT: on my Athlon 2600, 1GB ram, Radeon 9800Pro, if I have very large cow mob, and something like 200 lightning bolts are released it slows the picture per second significantly...
So upping pierce can get you far more damage than upping LF levels. If you want to be as good as possible, 100% pierce is a must.
Cool, that's what I thought - good to know I was right. I'm sure I can lose like 5% LF synergy for a maxed peirce and not lose too much sleep. =P I'll probably just got my peirce skill to 65.... I don't think that there'll be a huge difference between 99 peirce and 100, I think the synergy will be better to have. That.. and it'll make me happier, in my weird, twisted little mind. lol.
Okay. I've built the character... ended up screwing up with the boots, they seem to have vanished, but whatever. I'm wearing sanders for the r/w right now.
She's happily tearing through enormous groups of cows now. Woot! Found a few small charms, a bow gc, and a couple nice socketed items already. Problem is, she runs low on mana when she's left with only a few cows. She's got just a total pool of just under 300. Not nearly enough. I'm trying to decide... I think either silkweaves or caster boots would solve the problem. If anyone can think of a better solution, would you let me know? Thanks.
1) Drink Mana potions (they are not poisoned!)
2) equip some +mana charms.
3) Silkweave could work.
4) Don't kill last cows :)
1) Drink Mana potions (they are not poisoned!)
2) equip some +mana charms.
3) Silkweave could work.
4) Don't kill last cows :)
I've been leaving a few, and drinking pots... but I'm just looking for a way to make my life a little bit easier. If I had a free space for a tir rune that'd solve all of my problems... crowds of 100-200 cows getting ripped apart by LF would kind of refill my mana orb entirely, lol. I'm thinking caster boots, possibly, but then I'd have to get them to spawn with decent mods... and that's just egh.
I've been leaving a few, and drinking pots... but I'm just looking for a way to make my life a little bit easier. If I had a free space for a tir rune that'd solve all of my problems... crowds of 100-200 cows getting ripped apart by LF would kind of refill my mana orb entirely, lol. I'm thinking caster boots, possibly, but then I'd have to get them to spawn with decent mods... and that's just egh.
If you do find that free space, an Aureolin Jewel can have +3 mana / kill and it can also spawn on rares.
If you do find that free space, an Aureolin Jewel can have +3 mana / kill and it can also spawn on rares.
Unfortunately, I don't have that space. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this char was built using gear I happened to have laying around - her shako and ormus are already socketed with light facets, and her ormus is dual eld'ed to save me points in dex.
If only you could get Aureolin/Triumphant/Victorious charms >.< Guess it's mana pots all the way for me.
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