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omgmir
11-03-2005, 17:22
I'm not really a zon player, this is the first one i've had since 1.06 or so I think.. so i'm not sure in what order I should max skills for this build.

20 penetrate
20 strafe
20 valk

Should I still max the damage skill (strafe) first even though it's a puny % increase? Or should I go for valk first or alternate between both and penetrate?

Noodle
11-03-2005, 19:28
I'm not really a zon player, this is the first one i've had since 1.06 or so I think.. so i'm not sure in what order I should max skills for this build.

20 penetrate
20 strafe
20 valk

Should I still max the damage skill (strafe) first even though it's a puny % increase? Or should I go for valk first or alternate between both and penetrate?

I would only increase penetrate as needed to maintain an acceptable percent to hit. (Check your character screen for that.) I like to keep mine above 85%.

- Noodle

Dacar92
11-03-2005, 19:44
I would not alternate, per se, but I would get a valk as soon as possible and build her up a few points right away. I think that, even if you have a few skill points saved up, you can only put one per level into valk after you get it. I would pump her up to about 5 or 6 before +skills so she doean't die as much and then go back and max strafe. You will need as many arrows and as much damage as you can get by then. After you max strafe you can then max valk.

IIRC, this is what I did but others may have other styles of play. It really comes down to what you need. Do you need a meat shield or more damage?

omgmir
11-03-2005, 19:44
I would only increase penetrate as needed to maintain an acceptable percent to hit. (Check your character screen for that.) I like to keep mine above 85%.

- Noodle

Considering i'm going to have points leftover at the end anyway, there's no reason no to put it to max.

Any advice on what I posted for?

XZON
11-03-2005, 20:13
Considering i'm going to have points leftover at the end anyway, there's no reason no to put it to max.

Any advice on what I posted for?

There is no best order to place your skill points. One of the other posters said it best. Just put the points where you need them for the time being. You want to get a few in strafe as quick as possible to fire the max number of arrows. You should not max penetrate. If you have not decided on a switch weapon, a demon limb with a hel rune in it takes care of all the AR that you need with enchant and it lasts 11 minutes. You should not have that many points left over.

strafe 20
valk 15-20
slow missles 1
penetrate 1 - ???
dodge 12+
evade 7+
avoide 12+
critical strike - depends on % of DS
pierce - depends on gear
decoy - whatever is left

lots of places to put points. Your final amount of +skills from gear will determine how many hard skill points you will put in some of the passives.

pierce if wearing razortail (33% pierce) 6 or 7 after + skills for 95% chance (not sure which)

dodge 12 = 50%, 16 = 54% (after that returns 1% every 2 points)
evade 13 = 60%, 16 = 63% (same as above)
avoid = same as dodge
critical strike = 16 = 65%

If not wearing razortail, you can get like 85% pierce through skill points also.

Also, maxing strafe is not only about the 5% increase in damage. Early on it increases the maximum number of arrows up to 10. Then is starts to increase the minimum number of arrows. Very nice when you get 7 arrows minimum against 1 target (a boss). I forget the breakpoints on this though.

Lensor
11-03-2005, 21:53
Hm, but he is building a wws-strafen -> only 1 point in critical strike needed. Hence he will have loads of skills to spend :)

XZON
11-03-2005, 22:11
Hm, but he is building a wws-strafen -> only 1 point in critical strike needed. Hence he will have loads of skills to spend :)

What is the DS% on WWS at level 90? I forget.

Probably right though but I still think there are other places to spend the skill points rather than penetrate. I hate maxing that skill when demon limb does so much for the AR.

Lensor
11-03-2005, 23:18
1% per clvl, so 90%. Add to that 1 point cs with a few +skills, and you easily get 100%. What best to spend the saved skillpoints on I leave unsaid. I use FA.

FrozenSolid
12-03-2005, 00:08
Imo these skills should be maxed for a pure wws strafer:
20 Strafe
20 Penetrate
20 Valkyrie

For the remaining points invest some more in the passive skills. I dont know how many +skills you will have from your equipment so I will suggest:
At least 50% D/A/E.
At least 80% pierce.
If youre low on +skills then above 70%+ pierce is fine and around 40%+ D/A/E.
But since passive skillers are rather cheap I think getting the first setup would be easy.