question about dissapering runes

[jetsfan862]

This week alone i had a jah,ber, ist go puff on me, my question is, say i make pheonix, and say the jah was going to go puff, would this mess up my rune word. Also these runes lasted in my chest for - jah 2days,- ber few hours,- ist a day, after i traded for them. Someone said put them on a mule and dont move them, is there something to this,like if i didnt move the runes into my cube and just left it where it landed after trade, will it last till i get the other runes for the rune word, or would i be better off saving um's and trade bulk ums for the runes i need in same game, then make rune word right away.

any help would be gladly accepted, im almost to the point that i might quit for a few months again spending days and days of mf/trading all for nothing

[Orphan]

I have absolutely no confidence in "dupe perming" techniques. If the item is a dupe, it'll disappear.

As for what happens to runewords with duped runes, here's my understanding:

If you make a runeword, and one of the runes go poof, the runeword would revert back to what it was without that rune. Basically, you'll be left with a 4 socketted item with a Vex - Vex - Lo in it. The runeword bonuses won't be around, and it'll be as though you never put the last rune int.

Now, if ruststorm hits your runewords containing dupded runes instead, you'll lose the entire item, runes and item as well, regardless whether or not they are legit. If there's one duped rune, the entire lot goes.

I might be wrong, but I do know that you will not keep the runeword after losing the item.

[jetsfan862]

Thanks for your info man, the reason i used pheonix is because i have a Lo i found, and i can make vexs, so the last rune is jah, which i will have to trade for, there for, the chance it will go puff.
So if this happenes, i could still make it again with another jah?

but, what about, if say, the second vex was a magic rune, would another vex fix this or would, the order, as if you had put vex,Lo, jah, open? Asking this because i dont have faith in the Lo i have in my dragon.

[Orphan]

Keep in mind that I haven't actually tested any of this. I'm only recalling what I've read from other posts.

Thanks for your info man, the reason i used pheonix is because i have a Lo i found, and i can make vexs, so the last rune is jah, which i will have to trade for, there for, the chance it will go puff.
So if this happenes, i could still make it again with another jah?

Yes, you should be able to just put in another Jah, and re-create the runeword.


but, what about, if say, the second vex was a magic rune, would another vex fix this or would, the order, as if you had put vex,Lo, jah, open? Asking this because i dont have faith in the Lo i have in my dragon.

I actually have no idea. Well, as far as I know, the sockets are determined by the first rune inserted, to the last rune inserted, so you are probably right in thinking that the runeword would go to vex-lo-jah, if one of the vex's disappear. Putting another vex in would most likely make it vex-lo-jah-vex, which is sort of pointless.

[sizgar]

right ... i made a few RW on this ladder session including grief forti cta phoenix that means i used 7 hrs and only 1 was selfound (LO cows) i do believe at least 1 or 2 from those traded in TC channel was dupped anyway thats what i always do ('coz we can NOT avoid buying dupe items)
1. get socketable u want to make RW in
2. collect all remaining runes u need to make such RW
3. if u wanna make RW like phoenix get runes in the right order
4. use them as quick as u can

non of the RW i made disapeared and non of runes used gone

i might be lucky buying all legit runes but u never know

regs

[Fallen Creation]

What about trading for runes that are a level lower than the ones you need, then cubing them to get the runes you need?

[Orphan]

What about trading for runes that are a level lower than the ones you need, then cubing them to get the runes you need?

I've heard of several stories from people where cubed runes still disappeared, most likely because duped runes were used to cube up. I don't believe it's a surefire way to "perm" a rune.

If you mean that the lower runes might not be duped, then I guess it could work, but you would need a fair amount of lower runes in order to cube up to the higher ones, like Ber, or Jah.

[Rayya]

I've heard of several stories from people where cubed runes still disappeared, most likely because duped runes were used to cube up. I don't believe it's a surefire way to "perm" a rune.

If you mean that the lower runes might not be duped, then I guess it could work, but you would need a fair amount of lower runes in order to cube up to the higher ones, like Ber, or Jah.

As I understad the issue with duped items is they all have the same ilvl and unique identifier code, and this is what the rust storm picks up on. When placed into an item to make a runeword or mearly cubed up you are changeing the identifier codes and in the case of runewords also the ilvl of the item to the base of the item as opposed to the rune, ie a Zod with an ilvl of 1 (all runes have an ilvl of 1) is placed into an 6os eth zerker axe found in hell baals minions to make BOTD you now have a new identifier code and ilvl for the BOTD of 88. This of course would be the same as perming the runes as they should not disappear due to rust storm, however the base item used for the runeword may not change its identifier and as it does not change its ilvl may be suseptable to rust storm. I've never heard of a rune disappearing from inside a runeword, however I have seen runes, and runeword items disappear because they are dupes. I would never buy anything from an ebay mass seller, and be very careful what I trade for. If I trade for a high rune I never take that mule back into a game where there could potentially be another person with the same duped rune (assumption all high runes are duped).