Pvp Trapper.... WoF O_o

[imbackagain]

i was thinking of making a pvp WoF and WoI trapper

(i heard the inferno bug was fixed????)

well anyways this was the setup i was thinking of

Helm: 2asn/20fcr/stat/res circlet
Main Weapon: +3trap/+3WoF claw w/ 2shaels
Off-Hand Weapon: +3trap/+3WoF w/ 2X 15res jewels
Armor: Enigma (breastplate probably for the base str)
Boots: rares, impshank equivalent, fhr, stats, res etc,
Belt: spider
Ammy: +3traps/10fcr ammy, or +2asn/10fcr ammy
Gloves: unique gloves (forget name) with the +1 fire skills and 20fcr
Rings: 2Xsojs

Skills:
20 WoF
20 throwing thing skill u get at lvl 1 the fire ball throwing thing
20 WoI
20 Death Sentry (synergy for WoI)
rest in claw block

With this setup i hope to achieve
65fcr breakpoint
48fhr breakpoint
9frame trap laying rate
55%+ blocking chance

with charms maybe 3k+ life, 600+mana

the problem is, that ... well.... the DAMMMAAGGE
will only be a mere 1300 with the best gear and charms...
i kno WoF is stunlock, and slowly kill, and it hits fast, but that is only like 70damage per hit, and with a little absorb, it is barely any damage, and WoI is too slow to use by itself, so I will probobly cast mindblast, lay about 3 WoF's and lay 2 WoI's.

My main question is, will this setup be effective?
damage wise? with a little absorb and mediocre res this asn will be little to no effect at all

[marvix]

well .. the best pvp char i played from 4 years id Fire Trapper ..not just coz they own ..but they r really funny to play ..hard to get it perfect ..and a big suprise for most Ppl in duel games .. i have mine in scL in ero realm .. mine has 12xx wof dmg ..5 k woi .. 4 k fb ..lvl 26 mb..max block with SS ..max resist in hell an 45% dr ..using hoto ss shako mara 2 sojs(hate mana problems) eth sand boot and and thoses uniqe gloves + 1 fire(forgot the name 2 :D ) ..5 cta with lidless on the switch ..using good -15% req on ss .. thats why i use lidless :o ..
lvl 89 now with 3 k life bas str ..and dex for max block ,, rest in vita ..
kill all druids fohers hammerdins very easy .. just lay 5 wof and w8 for them the mb + fb and boom they r cocked .. maneged to kill a dual axe grief boted barb in nm game who used hotsup boots and 2 raven with 6 k life .. so u can see its very effective ..but u need to know how to use ur skills .. high lvl mb will help u alot 2 .. dont like the 2 claws idea .. coz u`ll lose ur dr if u use bos .. i use bos all they way ..
light trappers r hella easy .. just run fast like hell with ur bos around them .. lay ur wof ... and they r locked to the death ..
and u`ll like how ur shadow(lvl 16 for full equp on him) will cast mb every time u tele ..for those fast casters like sorc and bone necros ..once they got ur mb and ur shadow mb .. some wof and 1 woi and fb .. and dead no matter how many they try to tele ..
got to love fire trappers ..if u r on erup realm ladder .. i`ll be glade to show u my assas ..
good luck with ur char :clap:

[imbackagain]

sounds awsome
so i should go hoto/ss instead of the claws?
also, is the inferno bug fixed? i just heard from a friend it was im just making sure

and how do u have 3k life? how much is that from ur charms? i have a light asn and she has enuff for ss, and enuff dex for 60% block with pumped vita, with 5bo cta and i only have 2.3k life

thanks

[Omikron8]

If you're facing someone in hell that has 90% resistance (stacked fire res gear with guardian angel) your 5k WoI damage turns into

5000 x 0.16 x 0.1 = 80 per wave

against characters with 2k+ HP (practically anyone, due to duped runes for CTA) where do you expect to get the damage to kill them, by spamming mindblast?

lightning trappers with damage near 10k have trouble killing heroes with 90% light res and high life so how do you think you will fair with traps that do half that damage?

[turmania]

I use a different sytly fire trapper. 3 fire traps, max venim and d.ttalon. this is more like a hybrid solution. it needs to be lvl 95 to be complete. but you can play it after 85 without problem. its quite devastating on opponents. first they mistake you for a light trapper, then they put on absorb gear and forget that you can do melee as well. best of both worlds. fire traps may kill slower but it kills in the end. they are no cookie cutter builds like light trappers. you need a lot of practice. but once u started playing with them you wont stop. they are the most respected trappers.only hard part is leveling them up, after lvl 89 to 95 it becomes a pain if you even want to get it that far.

[imbackagain]

WoI doesnt hit enough and its too slow, so realistically ill only be doing 30-40 dmg with WoF. Or even as low as 20dmg per hit
so i guess its not as effective as a lite trapper, but it will hit alot more
and a 10k lite trap is only actually doing an average of 5k per hit.

i dunno im still thinking if i should make this char i want it to be effective inn pvp tho, and i want to kill someone in preferably not too long

oh well
thanks for the replies

[turmania]

wake of fire may seem low dmg but its rapid, this is both good and bad at the same time. this means they will be stunned pretty quickly but the traps are so fast they will run out soon. this is te hardest part of playing with fire traps, you need time mb and trap laying to perfection if u can do that, they will stay locked forever untill they die. i prefer hoto/shield combo. when ladder is over i might try spirit but till then hoto is the best. problem is trap laying speed, you need to get 2x 15ias/15res jewels. and socket them one in storm and the other in shako. unfortunately after long trading i got those 2 pieces and what happens cuz they were duped they disappeared before i put them in the shield and shako. but if u can get the trap laying speed and have decent fcr. you can kill most with only wof and mb. try out a fire trapper, you will have some problems vs range attackers. but with practice you get to handle them pretty well.

[marvix]

imbackagain: yes it is awsome .. and u have to go for hoto ss ..coz most of time mele chars will hit u coz u have to be close ..so shield with max block is must.
for the infero bug .. i dont know ..but with 5 wof then mb .. i just need to lock name then switch to lay 1-2 woi and mb again .. then there life go down in 2 sec and dead :cool: ...3 k is not hard to make ..the key is to use anigma bp .. i have 2 trap skillers each with + 6 str .. my str is base and with anigma i can hold my ss (req str 133) .. only 2 charms with 3x life and rest with dex and 1x life .. 29xx life to be honest ..and 75% block ..cta 5 bo


Omikron8 : u might be right ..but with all that absorb im sure they`ll lose alot of fhr life dmg .. lets hope he`ll be able to move,tele,attack me while he is absorbing my fire ..as i said .. killed baba with 90 fr and dual dwarf rings .. and yeag .. foh pala with angle and resist aura .. got bowned 2 coz he couldnt cast his foh :rolleyes:
and i killed 99% of light trappers ..if they came near me they be locked,cocked like a chicken in 2 sec .. if they r far .. i`ll just run around and lay my wof .. they will be locked,cocked again :p
looks like u never tried 1 .. try to make 1 with same setup as mine .. and u`ll understand the powa of fire trappers .

turmania: i made from 1 week a kicker fire assas .. but till now its not affective like pure fire trapper .. maybe i still need some practice experiance to get better ..

imbackagain: 30-40 fire per wave of wof ? ok im happy with that .. coz i lay 5 wof .. and if u tried it .. it fire a wave like 2-3 in sec .. if we say 2 wave in sec .. thats 2 x 5 = 10 .. thats 10 x 30 fire dmg .. thats 300 in in pvp .. with 1 woi u`ll kill 6 k life char(most are druids=easy like hell for fire trapper) in like 4-5 sec .. and thats not long time imo..

turmania: they run out fast ..right ..but u can lay them very fast while mb ..coz im using bos ..no need for the ias .. i just use 1 raven ring with some orb sorc try to freez me .. maybe a cham in shako ..but u`ll need to get the full resist in hell from some where ..and practice .. yes thats the word .. maybe im just too good with fire trappers :lol:

any way .. if u dont want to go which a cheap common light trapper .. try the fire 1 .. u can rush lvl to 80 in 2 days .. not that hard .. just try it out .. if u r on eru realm .. i`ll show u my assas ..
have fun all :)

[Lunatic]

Back in 1.09 WoF didn't do much dmg in pvp either. And before the trapper became alittle more popular ,people thought WoF wouldn't work at all (because of the low dmg). But because it fire's those fire arcs very rapid , over time it still does decent dmg. And you're slowly sipping life away from your oponent.

Even if WoF only does 20 dmg to your oponent , that's still 20 * 5 = 100 dmg per shot. After around 4 to 5 sec WoF shot all it's shots , which means you can go around 500 dmg in 5 seconds. MB does alittle dmg aswell , but you can neglect that.:D If you factor in fireblast aswell , you can do even some more dmg aswell.

And the best part of it all is that your oponent is stunned in 1 place , unless they sacrifice alot of their gear for FHR gear , and even then they have a hard time escaping. And if they focus on FHR alot , they loose some absorb / %max fire resist , which will work in your favor again.

Just some calculations to let you see you can still do dmg if people use absorb.
1,2k WoF dmg , 2 dwarfs 90% fire resist.
After pvp penalty the dmg is 200. 90% resist makes this 40 dmg. With 2 dwarfs you take 60% less dmg , which makes it 16 dmg per trap. Which is still enough.

Should people use rising sun you're screwed no matter what. Even with 75% resist they will get healed. But using rising sun in such an ocasion is lame in my eyes. What good is dueling if you totally nullify your oponent.

[imbackagain]

hmmm i see, so hoto/ss would be the way to go
and so i need 2X15ias jewels w/ BoS to hit the 9frame trap laying rate correct?

and also does anyone know if the inferno bug for WoI, artic blast, and sorc's inferno is fixed now? because if it is, i could put 20pts into death sentry to synergize WoI for some added damage along with the WoF. :clap:

and thanks for the feedback everyone

[turmania]

hmmm i see, so hoto/ss would be the way to go
and so i need 2X15ias jewels w/ BoS to hit the 9frame trap laying rate correct?

and also does anyone know if the inferno bug for WoI, artic blast, and sorc's inferno is fixed now? because if it is, i could put 20pts into death sentry to synergize WoI for some added damage along with the WoF. :clap:

and thanks for the feedback everyone

imbackagain: i dont think those fire skills bug have been corrected, but it doesnt mean they are useless. wake of inferno is different style to a wake of fire. fire trappers use the wof. thats right, but woi has its own uses as well. usually vs a pure melee opponent like chargers,smiters,javazons having 1 or 2 woi is very usefull, they will try to rush to you, but if you have woi right on your foot it will thwart them back, then lay more traps and mb. they will be stunned. is it usefull to have death sentry maxed? i never tried to have it maxed, i believe max shadow master is also usefull for a fire trapper. but the extra dmg from woi, is always good. it depends if you like shadow master or not. usually my max shadow master can kill some opponents just herself. sometimes she never does dmg. if you are not a hybrid and pure trapper, max shadow is very usefull but its my opinion i might be dead wrong.

stormshield/hoto is the best combo right now. maybe spirit/hoto too. i dont play ladder so im stuck with stormshield. those jewels i talked about is very usefull. if u can get them get it, i dont remember their trade values but i tell you they will be expensive.

[turmania]

Marvix: kicker/fire trappers are really good.the major problem you have is that you will have less life then a pure trapper.but you get mac block and great ar, and great kick strength.

I made 2 different builds of trapper/kicker hybrid. one is lighning with max dtalon only base 1 venom.
other is pure fire trapper with max venom and d.talon.

for game play lightning kicker is very powerfull i can do everything with her. even vd light immune physical immune i have a great decent fireblast dmg from those 4 ligt synergies. so there is nothing she can't kill.

now off to fire trapper/kicker: these are very special, very hard to build and its not for pvm.
first off all skill points allocations:
20- dtalon
20- fire blast
20- wake of fire
20- wake of inferno
20- venom
1- claw mastery(preq)
1- pyhscic hammer (preq)
1- burst of speed (you should always use this aura)
1- fade
1- cloak of shadows (not very much usefull in pvp as most use maphack)
1- mind blast ( no assa can live without it )

total skill points:106
which means at lvl 95 this build will be done.
usually i let venom to be maxed latest.

now strenght and dex: i have around 175 strenght , 160 dex, rest on vita. these are base.
with bo and 10x life skillers, i reach upto around 2700 life after bo, and i'm not sure but i have around 1650 life without bo.
great dex bonus means great block and ar. strenght is humoungous which means great kicking power.

equipment: shako,enigma,hoto,stormshield,shadow dancers,arachnid,2x soj's,maras, trangs. this is the base equipment i have. back up equipments:
guillemaes face, draculs,ma skiller gloves with cb,upped gores,ber'ed fleshripper,doom rw,beast rw, eternity rw,thundergods,ravenfrost.i'm trying to get a perfect 50% bramble to see if its usefull.and a perfect skill to guided arrow widowmaker.

yes this is not a poor man's build but this build requires to have these, to get the best of all the worlds.

hardest duel i ever had was against runner bowazons who uses map hack and windforce which knocks you back. usually vs most charachters i just satns still let them come, traps fire off, while they are stunned rush in for a kick. i killed so many high life druids and barbs with kicks they were shocked.

its an expensive build but its very fun in duels. try it you will always keep the build.

[marvix]

hmmm i see, so hoto/ss would be the way to go
and so i need 2X15ias jewels w/ BoS to hit the 9frame trap laying rate correct?

and also does anyone know if the inferno bug for WoI, artic blast, and sorc's inferno is fixed now? because if it is, i could put 20pts into death sentry to synergize WoI for some added damage along with the WoF. :clap:

and thanks for the feedback everyone

dont know about woi bug ..but its my main killer for thoses Ppl with 6 k life .. is drain there like in 2 sec ;)
and yes ..u have to max death sentry .. and try to rise ur mb ,, i have lvl 26 now .. it can stun Ppl even if i didnt click or lock name them .. and with higher lvl .. ur shadow will use it faster than u do ;)


Marvix: kicker/fire trappers are really good.the major problem you have is that you will have less life then a pure trapper.but you get mac block and great ar, and great kick strength.

I made 2 different builds of trapper/kicker hybrid. one is lighning with max dtalon only base 1 venom.
other is pure fire trapper with max venom and d.talon.

for game play lightning kicker is very powerfull i can do everything with her. even vd light immune physical immune i have a great decent fireblast dmg from those 4 ligt synergies. so there is nothing she can't kill.

now off to fire trapper/kicker: these are very special, very hard to build and its not for pvm.
first off all skill points allocations:
20- dtalon
20- fire blast
20- wake of fire
20- wake of inferno
20- venom
1- claw mastery(preq)
1- pyhscic hammer (preq)
1- burst of speed (you should always use this aura)
1- fade
1- cloak of shadows (not very much usefull in pvp as most use maphack)
1- mind blast ( no assa can live without it )

total skill points:106
which means at lvl 95 this build will be done.
usually i let venom to be maxed latest.

now strenght and dex: i have around 175 strenght , 160 dex, rest on vita. these are base.
with bo and 10x life skillers, i reach upto around 2700 life after bo, and i'm not sure but i have around 1650 life without bo.
great dex bonus means great block and ar. strenght is humoungous which means great kicking power.

equipment: shako,enigma,hoto,stormshield,shadow dancers,arachnid,2x soj's,maras, trangs. this is the base equipment i have. back up equipments:
guillemaes face, draculs,ma skiller gloves with cb,upped gores,ber'ed fleshripper,doom rw,beast rw, eternity rw,thundergods,ravenfrost.i'm trying to get a perfect 50% bramble to see if its usefull.and a perfect skill to guided arrow widowmaker.

yes this is not a poor man's build but this build requires to have these, to get the best of all the worlds.

hardest duel i ever had was against runner bowazons who uses map hack and windforce which knocks you back. usually vs most charachters i just satns still let them come, traps fire off, while they are stunned rush in for a kick. i killed so many high life druids and barbs with kicks they were shocked.

its an expensive build but its very fun in duels. try it you will always keep the build.


i think u have a perfect fire trapper/kicker here .. mine also has decent life 26xx .. max block .. almost max resist .. but .. the thing i did wrong is maxing venom befor fire skills ..its better to be done like u said .. fire first .. and i but some points in bos :( i may rebuild her again .. but the thing i was thinking about is to make her powerful kicker more than just trapper .. mmm .. dont know .. i may w8 a little then remake :D

[turmania]

marvix: you are on the right track, maxing venom last is probably ideal. however i made some mistakes as well;

1) dragon flight is very usefull, especially to catch runners and teleporter caster. but i need to find 3 more skill points to open that.
2) shadow master is also very usefull, gives you some advantage especially since she mb oppent when you tele...again i need 3 more skill points into that.

which makes it impossible to work it out. this means i have to sacrifice either venom or d.talon's base skill points to open up some extra skill points...or i have to sacrifice 6 points from fire blast... less wof damage. i'm kinda stuck in this part lol. probably sacrificing 6 points from fire blast is more a hybrid solution. choices choices damn...i wish we had more skill points to give :)