multishot on gloves

[yiuman]

Does anyone know the maximum level and number of charges of multishot you can get on gloves? Thanks.

[Cujo]

LvL 14, 20charges - http://d2data.net/item/affixes/affixes_idx1_7.html

[Lazy_BerZerker]

it says level4, and not level14 here

[Cujo]

it says level4, and not level14 here

Heh, youre right i only looked quick and must have read the "l" in Level4 as 1 :p

[Thrugg]

I'm afraid this is one of the few places that www.d2data.net is not quite right, or at least, not explanatory enough.

You have probably noticed that the slvl of skills on items can vary, and the number of charges varies with it. It actually depends on the item level (ilvl), and uses a formula that includes the two numbers listed at d2data.

To work out the slvl, you need to also know the alvl at which the mod can spawn. For Multiple Shot on gloves, this is 63.

The slvl you will get is
slvl = (ilvl - alvl) / ((99 - alvl) / max), where max is the max slvl as listed at d2data.
All divisions are integer (rounding down). It is capped below at 1.

If you play with that formula you will see that in fact the "max" value is correct, it is the highest slvl an item can spawn at. However, you usually need to have an ilvl 99 item (ie from Hell Baal, or bought by a 94+ char) to spawn it.

In the case of Multishot, max = 4, so the formula becomes
slvl = (ilvl - 63) / ((99 - 63)/4) = (ilvl - 63) / 9.
This means that for
ilvl 63-71, slvl = 0 but is capped to 1
ilvl 72-80, slvl = 1
ilvl 81-89, slvl = 2
ilvl 90-98, slvl = 3
ilvl 99, slvl = 4
So you won't see slvl 4 MS very often.

Now, the number of charges is even more complicated. The value 20 listed at d2data is called "min" but you won't ever actually see that few. It is how many you would get if you had a slvl 0 item, but you can't.

The formula for # charges is
charges = min + (min * slvl) / 8
Round down after the division as usual. I don't know where they pulled 8 from, but it is hardcoded in.

So for Multishot, min = 20 (from d2data) and the number of charges you get at each slvl is
slvl 1 - 22 charges
slvl 2 - 25 charges
slvl 3 - 27 charges
slvl 4 - 30 charges

[yiuman]

I'm afraid this is one of the few places that www.d2data.net is not quite right, or at least, not explanatory enough.


Thanks, thats cleared a lot up, although it wasn't really the answer I was looking for (I wanted a higher MS with more charges that could be got from other places than Baal!).

I do have a question though - how does this work with crafting? Could you craft some gloves with 30 charges of lvl 4 MS on them? I assume you would need some ilvl 99 magic gloves to do it though.........???

[Uzziah]

Thanks, thats cleared a lot up, although it wasn't really the answer I was looking for (I wanted a higher MS with more charges that could be got from other places than Baal!).

I do have a question though - how does this work with crafting? Could you craft some gloves with 30 charges of lvl 4 MS on them? I assume you would need some ilvl 99 magic gloves to do it though.........???

With crafting you can set the ilvl thus alvl to whatever value you wish it to be.

You just have to remember the formula for the ilvl which is based on clvl and initial ilvl. To get the ilvl 99 you have to have a really high ilvl and a really high clvl. IIRC the crafting recipe set ilvl = 0.5 clvl + 0.5 ilvl (you can check my guide in the SPF for the correct formula) You would still have better luck just finding gloves off of hell Baal.

[helvete]

Crafted Items can never have a item level above 98, because divisions are rounded down. Even with clvl 99 and ilvl 99 you'd get 99/5 + 99/5 = 49+49 = 98.

[Thrugg]

If you can get hold of some ilvl 99 magic gloves (from Baal, or bought with a 94+ char), you can reroll them with 3 PGems and when you eventually spawn "of Multishot" it will be 30/4.
On a rare you would have to use the SoJ recipe which I generally don't recommend.
As mentioned, it can't be done on crafts in 1.10.

[Verbatim]

I'm wondering...if Dclone dropped some magic gloves, it might be possible...since his mlvl is 110, if the items he drops get 110 as their ilvl (i.e. if ilvl isn't capped at 99, and if I'm right that he drops more than just an anni when he dies) it would be possible in theory, with a very very high lvl char. Good luck getting magic gloves dropped by the D clone, though...and if you do, good luck crafting them and getting multishot. Anybody know whether I'm right, or off my rocker?

[helvete]

1: Dclone drops annihilus charm only.

2: If ilvl wasn't capped (but it is, I'm afraid...) then it would be possible to get the alvl 90 multishot when crafting if done with a character lvl 70 or higher.

[RTB]

Until you save and exit, Ilvl is capped at 127 IIRC. When you do exit, all Ilvls are capped at 99.

[Lazy_BerZerker]

I have heard lots of players complaining about dclone not giving them anni... and I have also seen screenshots where dclone drops lots of uniques, and rares.

[Thrugg]

They're yanking your chain.
DClone has one single drop, from a TC containing only Annihilus. He also would drop only uniques, if he could drop something else.

helvete, alvl is capped at 99 when mods are generated, but as RTB said the ilvl of an item can be above 99 up until you save (ie Annihili are all ilvl 110 until they are saved). It is capped by the saving routine.

[Lazy_BerZerker]

oh I have also found the screenshot :P it was from beta testings sorry my mistake there :-) now I know not to listen to people who claims to have beating dclone thousind times and found no anni :-\