Rerolling

[cheesypotatoes]

I asked a similar question about diadems but what about claws and druid helms. If i have a claw with 3 ls and imbunde it to make iot rare will it keep the 3 ls, and can i keep rerolling it till it gets 3 ls 2 asn skills, same thing with druid pelts. Thanks

[Darnoc]

I believe, that when you imbue the claw it will keep the +3ls, but if you rerolled it you'd be rerolling all the mods despite the fact that the +3ls was on the original white item. Once you imbue the white, the orginal mods are locked in with the new ones, so you can't reroll just the imbued mods- but I am not 100% sure on that- I've never tried it personally. good luck

[helvete]

No. Imbuing makes a completely new item, and the old is permanently lost. The ONLY thing the imbue uses the white (or eth) item for, is knowing what item type the new item will be. And when you reroll items, remember that the cube can never produce an eth item - so when imbuing eth items, that's the only chanse of getting an eth with self-repair - no rerolling.

[Uzziah]

I believe, that when you imbue the claw it will keep the +3ls, but if you rerolled it you'd be rerolling all the mods despite the fact that the +3ls was on the original white item. Once you imbue the white, the orginal mods are locked in with the new ones, so you can't reroll just the imbued mods- but I am not 100% sure on that- I've never tried it personally. good luck

Hell no all affixes are rerolled that includes automods (staffmods, +specific skill, +poison damage, etc.)

the only things that changes an item without altering affixes are:

socketing
Upgrading (only for rares/uniques) [low quality to normal quality changes ilvl thus changes affixes]
Personalizing
runewording

[helvete]

Right! And there is an error im my last post... Anyone spotted it yet?

I think it was Thrugg (of all people) that said that the cube can never produce an ethereal item... ...well, when I think about it, the socketing recipe works on eth items, and thus the cube can "produce" an ethereal item, or at least add sockets to it. Someone who can read the code is required to tell if the socketing recipe just adds sockets to the same item, or if it takes the old item (and other ingredients) and creates a completely new item... I've never tested that recipe on items with staffmods, but if it "works" and the staffmods remain, I assume that cube recipe is different from all the others.

Blah blah blah, as if anyone wanted to know that ;)

[Uzziah]

Right! And there is an error im my last post... Anyone spotted it yet?

I think it was Thrugg (of all people) that said that the cube can never produce an ethereal item... ...well, when I think about it, the socketing recipe works on eth items, and thus the cube can "produce" an ethereal item, or at least add sockets to it. Someone who can read the code is required to tell if the socketing recipe just adds sockets to the same item, or if it takes the old item (and other ingredients) and creates a completely new item... I've never tested that recipe on items with staffmods, but if it "works" and the staffmods remain, I assume that cube recipe is different from all the others.

Blah blah blah, as if anyone wanted to know that ;)

Actually imbuing keeps the ethereal property, but rerolls the item as a rare. reason why ethereal dimensional blades are imbued often. ethereal cruel, fool's phase blade with other affixes??

But with the cube changing the item to create a new item will not roll the ethereal chance at all (RTB informed me of this and why it is that way, has to do with how the ethereal is rolled on item creation). The socketing recipe does not alter an item, it simply adds a socket, only the skull SoJ recipe will add sockets to non white items, so its uses are limited. You should read my guide in the SPF on altering items it explains the reroll and socketing recipes in more detail.

[helvete]

Actually imbuing keeps the ethereal property, but rerolls the item as a rare. I didn't say it didn't, I said that the cube can never produce an eth item... and that is correct, if you look at rerolling as "producing" and socketing as "altering".
The socketing recipe does not alter an item, it simply adds a socket, only the skull SoJ recipe will add sockets to non white items, so its uses are limited. You should read my guide in the SPF on altering items it explains the reroll and socketing recipes in more detail.
I did read your guide with great interest, some time back, but now i remember it all. Would that my mathematics were going that good too...

I think there was sort of a "definitions problem" as the cube will "produce" items when rerolling, chip-rerolling, flawless-rerolling (anyone actually use that?) and crafting, while "alter" items when it comes to socketing.

As far as I remember, the socketing in the cube is not really random, but depends on the item. Like if you find a eth zerker in SP, create a backup, and do that recipe over and over again, it will always create the same amount of sockets. That probably has something to do with "altering" an item instead of "producing" it.

[Uzziah]

As far as I remember, the socketing in the cube is not really random, but depends on the item. Like if you find a eth zerker in SP, create a backup, and do that recipe over and over again, it will always create the same amount of sockets. That probably has something to do with "altering" an item instead of "producing" it.

That is definately not true. every time a socketing cube recipe is used the item goes through a random process just like drops, its a psuedo random because its based on the clock in game, which if you do the same operation everytime from the start of a characters game will result in similar drops, hence why the SPF says "-seed" command is illegitimate.

[helvete]

Strange. Guess i had really good (bad) luck last time I tested that, that was on a eth zerker, and it got 1 socket four times in a row...

But now I tested it on a non-eth great sword (first thing I found that could have 6 sockets) and look: 3 sockets the first time, and then 2 the next.