View Full Version : Smiter: Melee, no cant be! CASTER! /rolls eyes
This thread is in all seriousness, I honestly want to know your opinion on this.
Yesterday I was baaling almost all day. Got to level 87 with my nice Ondals staff and a 9% anni. I got tired and felt like dueling. Im not godly enough, or rich enough, to join private duel games. I also dont know very many people that duel. Im stuck to public dueling games.
So far I have been moderately lucky in these games. Once in a while I come across a moron or two and just leave to find another game. I found a nice game, Paladin duels. Of course, I join it when its near full and there are 3 Paladins, including my self. I hostile everyone and start the fun. There was a Faith zon, CS zon, Orb sorc, Hammerdin, Zealer, Wind druid, WW barb, and my self, a Smiter.
We start to duel and I can pretty much take down anyone. Not to sound arrogant, but It was maybe too easy. The hammerdin took me down in two hammers if he was lucky enough to get them off before I smited him. Everyone went down in about 2-3 smites. We are all having fun ( no naked killing, no gold stealing, nothing bad ).
I got tired of that so I thought I would level more. I xfered my CTA to my hammerdin so I can start using Ondols again on switch. I only joined games like "I baal u xxx" or "I bot 4 u xxx" so people wouldnt get angry about me leeching. I got to level 88 and wanted to go dueling again. My friend wasnt on so I couldnt xfer my CTA back to my paly but I was really wanting to duel again. It was so much fun the last game!
I found a game: Melee duels only. Ahh, that seems nice. I joined it.
Me: I dont have my CTA right now but Ill duel anyway, just for fun. :P
Mr. Godly Zealer: Are you a Zealer?
Me: No.
Mr. Godly Zealer: Ok, GO.
I charged at him and smited him. He died in less than 2 seconds.
Mr. Godly Zealer: WTF
Mr. Godly Zealer:WHY ARE THERE A CS ZON AND A SMITER IN A MELEE ONLY GAME??
Me: Durrrrrrrrr, because we are melee?
Mr. Godly Zealer: You are NOT melee, noob!
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Me: Ohhhhhhh, so Im a caster! How stupid of me!
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Does smite have AR?
Me: Cry..
He was obviously pissed, but I was just laughing to myself. Then I see a trapper comes in. They party and of course the trapper lays traps in front of town. I step out of town and charge her, smite once and shes dead. The CS zon comes out and hits me, kills me in one hit. I run back outside to get my body and of course, the "Godly" Zealer naked kills me.
Me: Oh, so because you cant kill me fairly, you need to call for help by your little trapper friend and party with him. Then you have to NK me. Sad.
Mr. Godly Zealer: Cry?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Cry?
Mr. Godly Zealer: Cry?
Me: Sigh noob..
I left the game.
I was really angry. Im a smiter, which I ALWAYS thought was melee. Stupid me!
Now, my question is: How can I duel without being called a noob? Im not godly/rich enough yet to hang with the private duelers, and I dont know anyone that even likes to duel anymore. ( Friend quit just the other day )
The first game was lucky I found such nice people. The second game was rediculous. Are there any... not so godly... private duels people hold? Im really interested..
Also, I dont want this to be a huge flame war about how crappy public duels are like a lot of the threads turn into.
Thanks. :/
:edit: This post turned out longer than I expected. Sorry for the long post.
AbbaZabba
14-02-2005, 23:51
Now, my question is: How can I duel without being called a noob? Im not godly/rich enough yet to hang with the private duelers, and I dont know anyone that even likes to duel anymore. ( Friend quit just the other day )
The first game was lucky I found such nice people. The second game was rediculous. Are there any... not so godly... private duels people hold? Im really interested..
Also, I dont want this to be a huge flame war about how crappy public duels are like a lot of the threads turn into.
First off, Im not going to bash Pubbies one bit. I prefer pubbies as well. I have been in the Clan Honor Channel off and on this weekend, and saw no one there other than a mod and a LLD barb that was afk. I prefer pubbies because its eazy to duel a few different people quickly. Conversly private duels are usually 1-2 other people, and I do tire of that quickly.
Second, the only way to duel in a pubby and not be a noob, is to have awesome L337 Gear, and lose over and over to the usual stock of hammerdins and trappers. Also having high resists and FHR will get you called a noob as well. There is no way to win. Either die, or win...Beware though, you will probally be called names either way. Winning 3 or more times in a row is always Lag then. It always is. The Squelch attack helps for this.
Im on US-East Non-ladder... *NERDmanWhippy if you ever want to spar for a bit. I wont call you a noob if you win or lose, and I don't type in "Leet speak" ;)
J
Johnny Vietnam
15-02-2005, 00:53
AbbaZabba, you're one of the first people i've ever seen that doesn't call people noobs in public games. I mean honestly you see it more than the letter "E" (most common letter spelt/said). I would be interested to duel with you, I currently have a windy, but my kicker is getting leveled.
-Johnny
My account: *Johnny_Vietnam
P.S. You know what's the worst? I joined a pubby with my druid, and I proceeded to step out and bo, then an assassin starts spamming "Noob Noob only 1 bo CTA!!!" over and over again. And the worst part is he didn't even OWN a CTA and hes was calling ME a noob. Then he has the nerve to try to get it off me. What has Diablo come to???!?!?!?!?
Squelch button work's wonders
Perfect_11.
15-02-2005, 03:58
if you are good enough to win most pubbie duels then make a game so that only 4 or 3 people can join. The nking and stuff usually happens in a large 8 player game where people are very twitchy and there are many projectiles flying all over the place as well as projectiles of blame and confusion. In a 4 player game, you can easily talk to the person directly without some idiot spamming "cry more" or something like that. I usually dont join pubby pks with more than 4 people in it, unless i am using a mass killer (orb sorc, wind druid, bone necro) but if you are using a smite pally, or a zealot, its best to stick to duels where you can get some nice 1v1 or 2v2.
CookiesnCream
15-02-2005, 04:53
I was really angry. Im a smiter, which I ALWAYS thought was melee. Stupid me!
A lot of people don't consider smite, CS, and WW to be melee, just to let you know.
And if you want to play with "not-so-godly" duelers, you can always try some low lvl dueling.
Just remember:
Iron Maiden is set to affect players using melee attacks.
If one uses smite or ww or charge while IM'd, you die.
Therefore, the 3 mentioned attacks are melee.
the end!
By definition those attacks are all melee, but it doesnt go in "melee" games because they completely overpower their counterparts.
So melee in d2 terms means "[insert definition of melee} excluding ww, smite, cs, and sometimes fireclaw).
ppl complain use squelch.
get over it.
rmvetski
15-02-2005, 08:49
LLD is less godly?
how come?
I agree the items are lower clvl req, but top notch jewels are a must and those are priced pretty much the same as HLD
i agree on the 4 player games though, much less likely you'd get a jacka$$ in one of those
PS: lol I felt stupid reading the story, I always thought smite is melee and expected thеre will be an educational technical sort of ending explaining why smite is not melee, I was prepared to admit my noobness, thank God I didn't have to, great thread
Hehe thanks for the comments guys.
I noticed that not many people like to duel smiters. I went to a melee only game again last night and it was pretty fun. I told them all that Im a smiter and I will only duel them if they go after me first. I didnt want to ruin anyone elses fun.. :(
Luckily, no one cared about dieing since no one in the game was stealing gold so it was pretty fun. Everyone was nice, too. The other 2 paladins even started smiting eachother. :D
Next time Ill just ask if they mind if Im a smiter. If no one wants to duel me Ill just try and find a different game.
Just remember:
Iron Maiden is set to affect players using melee attacks.
If one uses smite or ww or charge while IM'd, you die.
Therefore, the 3 mentioned attacks are melee.
the end!
Well there you have it, anyone thinking smite, ww & charge is not melee (IT IS) and after a long time reading all the @#@#%^ about how smite and ww are not melee someone posts the true hard facts of what I have been saying forever. If the curse works on your attack it is melee............. :lol:
Good job
smite ww and and cs are the gray areas of meele smite is itd and kbs so its pretty damn cheap its pretty hard to conter ww other then use a corner and cs dosent even have to hit to do dmng
Just remember:
Iron Maiden is set to affect players using melee attacks.
If one uses smite or ww or charge while IM'd, you die.
Therefore, the 3 mentioned attacks are melee.
the end!
You beat me to it. -.-;
qazxswcde
16-02-2005, 02:06
smite is to strong it is melee but its absurdly overpowered even moreso then say a bone nec for melee do to the fact the only way to beat a good smiter with another melee is pure luck im for the removal of smite as melee its just to strong y should one build be in every way better except for hp and wep speed then all the other builds
If ww,cs,smite is not consider melee for whatever reason (I consider all of them to be melee btw.) Then we will have a debate of zeal, and other skills that can hit muiltple of times in a row to be overpowering to the other melee skills :lol: . Well.... i guess the fairest way is to use only the normal attack button to duel :scratch:
Module88
21-02-2005, 19:34
Just remember:
Iron Maiden is set to affect players using melee attacks.
If one uses smite or ww or charge while IM'd, you die.
Therefore, the 3 mentioned attacks are melee.
the end!
No, because that would exclude berserk, since it does magic damage. I think my definition of melee works best, and it actually makes sense: If Player A is standing one screen away from Player B, and Player A clicks to attack and moves closer to the target before attacking, then the attack is melee.
In other words, click him, and if you move closer (including dragonflight), it is a melee attack. I put the first part in because some idiot is going to yell noob when he tries this standing right next to the other guy. :uhhuh:
Phyrexial
21-02-2005, 20:24
No, because that would exclude berserk, since it does magic damage. I think my definition of melee works best, and it actually makes sense: If Player A is standing one screen away from Player B, and Player A clicks to attack and moves closer to the target before attacking, then the attack is melee.
In other words, click him, and if you move closer (including dragonflight), it is a melee attack. I put the first part in because some idiot is going to yell noob when he tries this standing right next to the other guy. :uhhuh:
Just so I fully understand your definition, does this include charge?
TheCerberus
21-02-2005, 21:11
No, because that would exclude berserk, since it does magic damage. I think my definition of melee works best, and it actually makes sense: If Player A is standing one screen away from Player B, and Player A clicks to attack and moves closer to the target before attacking, then the attack is melee.
In other words, click him, and if you move closer (including dragonflight), it is a melee attack. I put the first part in because some idiot is going to yell noob when he tries this standing right next to the other guy. :uhhuh:
I don't think rare or anyone uses an "Iron Maiden effects it = it's melee" rule, but use it to clarify those 3 attacks, since those 3 irritate people the most. I don't think many people at all have a problem with Berserk, but rants on WW, Smite, Charge are frequent, and so Iron Maiden is a nifty thing to bring up in those cases.
Newest Newb
22-02-2005, 02:18
Of course, we all know berserk isn't melee.
Its not like we actually see the barb pick up his sword and swing down, right? Cause that'd be totally not melee. :rolleyes:
It'd all be solved if people would just be kind and mature enough to respect each other's thoughts and choices.
If someone doesnt want to duel you for any reason, then don't hostile them and you'll never start this argument of what is melee/ranged, noob/not noob, cheap/not cheap etc...
Charge sort of does seem melee, since the paladin does have to be right next to the enemy to do the damage. But desynch charge... :P
No, because that would exclude berserk, since it does magic damage. I think my definition of melee works best, and it actually makes sense: If Player A is standing one screen away from Player B, and Player A clicks to attack and moves closer to the target before attacking, then the attack is melee.
Following that rule for melee (the game has no sense of melee btw) Berserk is a melee attack. If the damage conversion was only partially, you'd still get hurt. Only because there is 0 physical dmg done, 0 physical dmg is returned.
How many times has this kind of thread appeared here? Too many to count I bet.
By definition those attacks are all melee, but it doesnt go in "melee" games because they completely overpower their counterparts.
So melee in d2 terms means "[insert definition of melee} excluding ww, smite, cs, and sometimes fireclaw).
ppl complain use squelch.
get over it.
Follow this genius' wisdom. He is 100% correct/sexy. Prolly the smartest person I've ever met.
Did i mention sexy?
CookiesnCream
23-02-2005, 04:41
No, because that would exclude berserk, since it does magic damage. I think my definition of melee works best, and it actually makes sense: If Player A is standing one screen away from Player B, and Player A clicks to attack and moves closer to the target before attacking, then the attack is melee.
In other words, click him, and if you move closer (including dragonflight), it is a melee attack. I put the first part in because some idiot is going to yell noob when he tries this standing right next to the other guy. :uhhuh:
My definition of melee is if a projectile does not launch from your character so that includes Berserk but definitly not cs. Heck, someone told me lightning fury was melee because he threw a javelin and a javelin is a melee weapon. I've seen all sorts of definitions for melee and that's the one I use.
Newest Newb
23-02-2005, 07:47
ok, if you THROW a javelin, its obviously a ranged weapon now.
There's a no brainer...
Only problems is that Grief totally overpowered smite, I mean u have a 10k+ 6 fpa attack that cannot be blocked, always hits and knocks back. Then you have Zeal, which rarely even hits 10k , requires high AR, can be blocked. Same with Fury,Concentrate,Berserk. Even WW.
My point is- smite was fine when it was in 2-3k range since it had other advantages, now when it does HIGHER damage than most melee attacks and still carries its advantages...need we argue more?
Now all u see in melee dueling games is 5-6 smiters,maybe 2 barbs. 1.09 repeats itself folks... :(.
TeKmInIbI
23-02-2005, 19:41
I told them all that Im a smiter and I will only duel them if they go after me first. I didnt want to ruin anyone elses fun.. :(
Next time Ill just ask if they mind if Im a smiter. If no one wants to duel me Ill just try and find a different game.
See, the real problem is ... your too nice.
Just try one time hostiling who you wanna duel , then running out and killing them.
It's fun, it's what pubs are about O_O
CookiesnCream
23-02-2005, 22:38
ok, if you THROW a javelin, its obviously a ranged weapon now.
There's a no brainer...
People say all sorts of things in pub games. Anyways, for me, if no projectiles fly from your weapon, then I consider it to be melee.
Module88
24-02-2005, 05:38
Just so I fully understand your definition, does this include charge?
Absolutely.
My definition of melee is if a projectile does not launch from your character so that includes Berserk but definitly not cs. Heck, someone told me lightning fury was melee because he threw a javelin and a javelin is a melee weapon. I've seen all sorts of definitions for melee and that's the one I use.
Yes, well, the problem with your definition is that it means any item that has % to cast CB or something on casting automatically makes your attack ranged, regardless of what it is. By your definition, berserk, zeal, fury, and every other attack (if that mod is on any of your gear) is ranged, or at least, not melee.
Shogakusha
24-02-2005, 07:35
See, the real problem is ... your too nice.
Just try one time hostiling who you wanna duel , then running out and killing them.
It's fun, it's what pubs are about O_O
No, the real problem is smiters who do exactly this with their overpowered melee attack ruining duel games for everyone. I do consider smite melee, just don't consider a smiter vs any other melee a duel. I wish smiters would ask, because if people in pubby duel games actually asked I could politely reply, something like "no thank you, I'm sorry about your unfortunate vision problem, but the name of the game is barb vs barb, since I am a barb, and you are not, I have no desire to be hostile with you, thanks." It's really smite and cs that nobody wants in melee duel games, because you don't have to have AR or any of the gear sacrifices required for it. So, no, I don't think you were wrong to join a melee game. Yes, the palli was an idiot. Yes, some of us would hugely appreciate a smiter who asked before he ran out, charged us, and smited us into the ground in three seconds with his HoZ and his grief phase blade. No, a smiter doesn't prove anything dueling other melee because the skill is just broken, period.
While I personally don't believe Blizzard cares anymore about this game or will ever release a patch, if such an unheralded even were to occur, I can only hope that blizzard does the right thing and either makes it so the plus dmg on grief and those sceptors doesn't transfer to smite anymore, or makes it so that the ITD works exactly like ITD on a weapon, only in pvm.
CookiesnCream
24-02-2005, 07:39
Absolutely.
Yes, well, the problem with your definition is that it means any item that has % to cast CB or something on casting automatically makes your attack ranged, regardless of what it is. By your definition, berserk, zeal, fury, and every other attack (if that mod is on any of your gear) is ranged, or at least, not melee.
% to cast a certain skill is not a natural part of berserk, zeal, and fury. What I meant is that you throwing a javelin is not melee and any projectile that comes from a natural skill is not melee either.
No, the real problem is smiters who do exactly this with their overpowered melee attack ruining duel games for everyone. I do consider smite melee, just don't consider a smiter vs any other melee a duel. I wish smiters would ask, because if people in pubby duel games actually asked I could politely reply, something like "no thank you, I'm sorry about your unfortunate vision problem, but the name of the game is barb vs barb, since I am a barb, and you are not, I have no desire to be hostile with you, thanks." It's really smite and cs that nobody wants in melee duel games, because you don't have to have AR or any of the gear sacrifices required for it. So, no, I don't think you were wrong to join a melee game. Yes, the palli was an idiot. Yes, some of us would hugely appreciate a smiter who asked before he ran out, charged us, and smited us into the ground in three seconds with his HoZ and his grief phase blade. No, a smiter doesn't prove anything dueling other melee because the skill is just broken, period.
While I personally don't believe Blizzard cares anymore about this game or will ever release a patch, if such an unheralded even were to occur, I can only hope that blizzard does the right thing and either makes it so the plus dmg on grief and those sceptors doesn't transfer to smite anymore, or makes it so that the ITD works exactly like ITD on a weapon, only in pvm.
Amen to that. While its still possible to beat a smiter, Im required to have a 2 handed setup on my druid just for that and even then it requires a lag free environment and perfect reflexes to make use of the range advantage before he manages to close the gap.
sheepe2004
24-02-2005, 16:48
Yeah people will complain about anythign that beats them...
ive had someone moaning about me useing my deaths fathom *rollseyes*
Shogakusha
24-02-2005, 17:20
Yeah people will complain about anythign that beats them...
ive had someone moaning about me useing my deaths fathom *rollseyes*
No, we will complain about something that beats us anytime, everytime. It's simple, if you are melee, you can't beat a smiter anymore. Dueling for me is about competition, I love close duels, if a duel is too onesided it's no fun, and if it's a completely forgone conclusion, as in the case of dueling a smiter, then it's no duel at all... Now if smiters want to go and duel bone necros or something like that, I say good for them, I've watched some fairly interesting duels like that. That's the reason people say smite isn't melee, not because it actually isn't, but because it doesn't miss and does so much damage it can actually compete with casters. People want to use it because it's good, fine, blizzard broke it and you can be just like the old piercing guided arrow zons, that's up to you, but if you are going to duel, duel someone who CAN ACTUALLY KILL YOU, because if you don't you are no dueler, you are just a bad mannered pk and one of the many people who have made battle.net the cesspool that it is today...
sheepe2004
25-02-2005, 00:29
Well i wasnt talking specifically about smite which is tough too beat with some melee characters i know, but i find things like that a challenge more than just plain annoying...
ps. i dont actually have a smiter and if i did i wouldnt use a grief anyway because i cant afford one. So please dont flame me because you hate smite
Module88
25-02-2005, 01:07
% to cast a certain skill is not a natural part of berserk, zeal, and fury. What I meant is that you throwing a javelin is not melee and any projectile that comes from a natural skill is not melee either.
How you can see CS as a ranged attack is sort of illogical, but that seems to be the trend with D2 in general. Throwing a javalin isn't melee, as that doesn't fit my definition either. But if you are standing one screen away, there's no way that zon is going to hit you with CB without moving closer to you, which, as you might notice, EVERY melee attack has in common.
Well i wasnt talking specifically about smite which is tough too beat with some melee characters i know, but i find things like that a challenge more than just plain annoying...
ps. i dont actually have a smiter and if i did i wouldnt use a grief anyway because i cant afford one. So please dont flame me because you hate smite
A challenge eh? Why dont u try this: build a standard zealot, and have him go against a smiter, i dont think u will find challenging the fact that u will die 10 times out of 10 and theres nothing u can do. (Assuming the smiter isnt a total noob, also assuming this is ladder and smiter is using grief).
Melee is not equal to standard zealot. I think melee also comprises wwsins, wwbarbs with BOTD + Beast zerkers and v/ts, all of whom can beat a smiter.
Of cos it's dumb for a smiter to host zealots or conc barbs and play like a jerk, but I think he mentioned it was in a pubby, and everyone knows that in pubbies, everything and anything goes. Hell, you can even find sorcs, windys and necs in MELEE ONLY games. Maybe the windy thought since tornadoes dealt physical dmg and he had to be very near for them to hit, it was considered melee.
IMHO, I think (though I love it) Grief "ruined" the game. :)
Shogakusha
25-02-2005, 02:28
Smite is just, meh. I'm not flaming anyone for using it, I have it as a backup skill on my charger, and I have a grief on him(I can afford grief, I can't afford the risk of a really crappy roll on a BoTD). Against most people in pubby games, I probably don't really have to charge at all and I don't have smite anywhere near maxed. So I totally understand why people are using both of these things, grief is a great runeword, smite now owns everything with it, yahoo. I just don't happen to think owning everyone is all that much fun, but then I never understood kids who stomped on ant piles either...
A challenge eh? Why dont u try this: build a standard zealot, and have him go against a smiter, i dont think u will find challenging the fact that u will die 10 times out of 10 and theres nothing u can do. (Assuming the smiter isnt a total noob, also assuming this is ladder and smiter is using grief).
thats why you get a necro or barb.
sheepe2004
25-02-2005, 16:44
A challenge eh? Why dont u try this: build a standard zealot, and have him go against a smiter, i dont think u will find challenging the fact that u will die 10 times out of 10 and theres nothing u can do. (Assuming the smiter isnt a total noob, also assuming this is ladder and smiter is using grief).
If its that bad then dont duel smiters, at least not with your zealot.
and why all the anger at me... :(
I was just trying to illustrate my point, which u didnt seem to grasp the first time round
Squelch button work's wonders
^ well said
Smite is exceedingly strong. I've played a V/T before and after the Ladder reset, and the difference is a bit insane. Zealots will have a very, very difficult time bringing down a smiter, same with Conc barbs, same with melee zons, etc.
So to this end, I just hostile the bone necs/windy's/Hammerdins/trapisins/wwbarbs[who own smiters if played correctly, with that DoD thing]/etc. If the zealots and cs zons or whomever want to hostile me, fine - they're going to die.
Anyways, I consider smite melee, but like, on a whole different level of power compared to other melee skills. It's not really 'overpowered' in a general sense, it's just overpowered when compared to most melee skills. Against casters and whatnot, smiters still have the same problems and limitations as other builds, albeit with a slightly better chance of killing their target.
And btw, to the thread poster: It looks to me that you brought that NKing on yourself. Sorry, it's bm to nk people yeah, but your 'cry...' comment was probably the thing that set him off. It's not a big surprise that he started nking you, spamming 'Cry?'.
AbbaZabba
03-03-2005, 09:33
No, we will complain about something that beats us anytime, everytime. It's simple, if you are melee, you can't beat a smiter anymore.
You should get more attack rating. You complain quite a good deal as if smite is broke. As Others have said, smite is a great versus all skill, and it gives a "melee" character a chance at beating necros, zons and windys. Not that a zealot is going to have a chance versus they above mentions anyway. As for you complaining when you lose, you should stay in palapk if you are a complainer. You can duel similarly ill-equipped paladins there in a caster free "bubble".
J
You should get more attack rating. You complain quite a good deal as if smite is broke. As Others have said, smite is a great versus all skill, and it gives a "melee" character a chance at beating necros, zons and windys. Not that a zealot is going to have a chance versus they above mentions anyway. As for you complaining when you lose, you should stay in palapk if you are a complainer. You can duel similarly ill-equipped paladins there in a caster free "bubble".
J
U my friend are the exact definition of a moron, and an ignorant moron at that, just like 95% of the general bnet population out there.
DanteAlastor
04-03-2005, 22:42
only normal attack and sacrifice is melee cuz it doesnt cost any mana
if it cost mana then the pally castupon himself a spell of zeal to make him quicker than normal so its not melee its caster
smite is a caster because it makes apally cast a spell of smite and give the knowledge of bashing them with a trashcan lid shape shield
charge is also caster because they cast upon themselves a burst speed on their feet and make them litning fast so its caster
this ends the thread...
now if a fireball sorc uses fireball its melee because they dont cast fireball they throw it and throwing is melee
if we all just dont give a crapp whether its melee or not it would be all a better place.
ask ur self this, WWJD?
U my friend are the exact definition of a moron, and an ignorant moron at that, just like 95% of the general bnet population out there.
How about more insults with not even a faint sign of attempting to back them up?
only normal attack and sacrifice is melee cuz it doesnt cost any mana
if it cost mana then the pally castupon himself a spell of zeal to make him quicker than normal so its not melee its caster
smite is a caster because it makes apally cast a spell of smite and give the knowledge of bashing them with a trashcan lid shape shield
charge is also caster because they cast upon themselves a burst speed on their feet and make them litning fast so its caster
this ends the thread...
now if a fireball sorc uses fireball its melee because they dont cast fireball they throw it and throwing is melee
if we all just dont give a crapp whether its melee or not it would be all a better place.
ask ur self this, WWJD?
Wow that made absolutely no sense. MAYYBE the first part was sort of believable, but fireball as melee just killed it.
I really hope you were being sarcastic, cus it's good. If you were serious, then...eh, believe what you will.
DanteAlastor
05-03-2005, 05:35
Wow that made absolutely no sense. MAYYBE the first part was sort of believable, but fireball as melee just killed it.
I really hope you were being sarcastic, cus it's good. If you were serious, then...eh, believe what you will.
i am sarcastic
and ty u liked my sarcasticism sacrasm sarcaztic... damnit spell it rite retard lol
How about more insults with not even a faint sign of attempting to back them up?
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