Nightwing or Shako for PvP Wind Druid??

[RetroStar]

I got a 14%NW and a Shako. Which is better for a PvP Wind Druid? If I use NW, my dmg for Hurricane increases by a few hundred. Though my life drops. Which one is better?

Nightwing for dmg or Shako for more life.

[TheGreatDivorce]

Against good duelers, Hurricanes' only use is to stun; the damage won't make any significent change in the duel. Harlequin's Crest is the way to go out of the two choices, life, mana and reduction. But overall, Jalals' is better then both of them by far by giving resists, hit recovery, strength and mana.

[Valvolux]

Yeah i totally agree Jalal's Mane beats both hands down, you see alot of ppl using nightwings in pubie duels...hurricane doesn't kill, tornados do. Doesn't take long to work that out.

[lucrativelyrics]

Yeah i totally agree Jalal's Mane beats both hands down, you see alot of ppl using nightwings in pubie duels...hurricane doesn't kill, tornados do. Doesn't take long to work that out.

i too agree with that .. nwings is just a waste of your capital of items trying to get a good one. ive had 45 to all skills and hurricane never killed once lol .
tornado is your baby harness that bad boy . either shako or jalals .. this is highly in question but i go with jalals. FHR is a weakness in most wind druids , res is extremely nice to have in excess of your cyclone armor, energy helps str :) = more vit , and finally 2 summoning skills = more life , higher dmg/stronger bear ( if you use , not by much but it counts ;) )

yes i just repeated what they said but i figured 3 people saying the same thing you would get the idea, plus lets face it i love to talk ;)

GO GO JALALS !

who is jalal anyways , anyone have history on the character ? and not made up either heh

[Voice]

I still dont know how CoA hasnt made it into this debate yet .... since it seems I am the only one that thinks this is the best helm still.

+1 skills (a little lower than shako and not as good as jalals but you do so much damage anyways the minor +skill difference isnt that big of a deal)

30 FHR .. um yea since they lack in fhr

Potentially 15 dr (This will give max dr with ss if 15, if not still doing just as good as shako)

20-30 all resist resist ... Potentially same all resist but will probably have around 25ish but still nice resist

2 os's !!!!! This is what really makes this helm the king IMO. You are allowed to customize, I personally would go shael/shael and get a total of 70 fhr from the helm alone, but you can mix it up with cham/shael etc.

The key complaint is that it requires to much strength. And this would be true if you are planning on using spirit shield or some other shield besides ss. However, if your using ss then the +str from ss will allow you to use this helm.

I have mentioned this helm many of times before and i am still confused why this helm isnt being used. The +skills is nice on the other helm but think of it this way, a decent windy w/ ele gc's and a decent set up will be doing anywhere between 5-6k tornado. With tornado not being blockable(unless duel claw) and hitting twice the difference between 5 and 6k really isnt that much considering the benefits you get from a customizable CoA ... IMO.

[Gotcha]

Yeah i totally agree Jalal's Mane beats both hands down, you see alot of ppl using nightwings in pubie duels...hurricane doesn't kill, tornados do. Doesn't take long to work that out.

First off, IMO of the helms listed Jalal's or shako both have a reason for use. With Jalal's you will potentially get a little more life from the use of the helm if you are switching out grand charms with 12% FHR for lifers since the +life/mana on shako does not do any good with CTA. 120 life from 3 grand charms will be more then the shako can give in life with CTA. Shako just adds what life the helm gives and CTA does not work with it. Yet if you go Shako you do not have to Ber your SS. If you go Jalal's you have to Ber your SS so there will always be a debate on this.

If you can get lucky enough the better option would be a +3 elemental/+3 tornado magic helm with 2 os/ 2 shael's or Jah's depending on what you need or want. Shaels sound better to me for the 99% FHR breakpoint.

Then there is the most godly helm IMO and there probably are few if any on bnet.

Magic +3 elemental/+3 nado of the whale. I Think I would kill for a helm like this duel shael'd (LOL). At least it keeps me saving my gems to try and make.

If a player is not rich to get a Ber for SS or to get skiller/lifers I think shako may be the better of the 2 helms in question for getting to the 50% DR breakpoint.

[IMCL85]

acturally best helm for a windydruid is a 2druid skill 3 tornado 2 socket and some resis or stats boost helm. But ofcourse these kind of helm is soooooo expansive like cost ****loaded of soj as we use for currency right now on east nL. But imagine u can socket 2 shael in to the helm and make it 40fhr with 5 to tornado totally rox0r :)

[TheGreatDivorce]

Best helms I've seen:

+6 Tornado
18 Life
2 open sockets

+2 Druid
+3 Tornado
+2 Cyclone Armor
2 open sockets

+2 Druid
+3 Tornado
10% FHR
+36 life
2 open sockets

But Jalal's is definitly the best poor-average player's Windie helm.

[RetroStar]

Last one is just nice. What realm are they on?

[TheGreatDivorce]

USEast Non.

[Gotcha]

USEast Non.

Hey all, correct me if I am wrong but a magic pelt can have +3 elemental for the prefix and "of the whale as the suffix, which does not include all the other possible added tree skills like +3 to tornado, etc. So it is possible to get a godly magic with the 3 to elemental, then other ones like +3 tornado, and maybe more all with the siffix of the whale (up to 100 life).

Can a magic pelt have the +2 skills or only the + to the tree?

I will never find a godly rare with 2 os (LOL), I have a better chance cubing a magic one and then praying I get 2 os on quest socket.

[Voice]

Im still kind of confused why you would want + massive tornado damage when, after you hit 5k damage on tornado hitting much more doesnt really seem necessary. Surt its better but not necessary, wouldnt you rather start working towards fhr / fbr or somehting else. I mean ... 5k unblockable damage that can hit twice .... im just kind of lost.

If you were to go anything else besides jalals/shako / CoA IMO it better be something like a +4 ele 20 fcr circlet w/ 2 os.

OR

Een better would be

Gaea's Earth Spirit Of Magus
w/ 20s
+3 cyclone armor
+3 tornado
+3 hurricane

Yea i know if anyone found that helm it would equal instant godlyness since it would sell for like a mule of high runes but hey .... its nice.

I guess my question is .. do you REALLY need to shoot for 7k damage when you already kill almost everything in 1-2 hits anyways??

[lepermessiah187]

try killin a good barb in 1-2 hits, it dont happen.

[Gotcha]

try killin a good barb in 1-2 hits, it dont happen.

I agree :clap: and I think any added damage still looks good, after PVP penalty it may not be a lot but after hitting the 99/99 breakpoints I would only be considering two things. Life and damage. That is why I keep thinking "of the Whale" on the helm and even on a +3 elemental/ 90+ life ammy. They add up with CTA where the shako only adds the life on the shako and CTA has no additional boost.

Also helms are always a nice debate :worship:

[Aron Figaro]

Hey Voice, you shouldn't have said how much that'd sell for...you KNOW I'm gonna find one next pit run now... :lol: :thumbsup: :lol:

My opinion? For a Windy druid I'd go with Harlequin's Crest, if you lack PDR...if you're good for PDR, get Jalal's.

[TheGreatDivorce]

Magus is better then 100 life from Whale for a helm if there was a choice between them, 20% FCR lets you use Bloods instead of Mages which gives 40 life + 30 FHR which is 2x life GCs' (70) and a lone SC (20) which is in total 130.

I've seen that helm that you mentioned with +3 Ele. and the works quite a few times. It usually goes for 40x or less SoJs/32020s/Runes.

Actually the most expensive helms I've seen actually for sale are those that I mentioned previously. The +6 Ele. one I've seen go for 120x, the +2/5 went for about 200x but the one with the Cyclone Armor which I didn't think would go for even half of the others went for 500x, or so that was the current offer I've seen on it.

You usually don't need more then 5.5-6k but its' quite simple to get 99/99 breakpoints without any godly gear. Damage and life are the next and only things to go for. 7k life or 7k damage? Hmmm.... Perhaps' both? :)

[Voice]

try killin a good barb in 1-2 hits, it dont happen.

I guess my question is .. do you REALLY need to shoot for 7k damage when you already kill almost everything in 1-2 hits anyways??

I said almost just thought I would point that out. My only point is after you hit 5k damage I feel that you should probably start considering other stuff like fcr / fhr / life since damage isnt everything when your doing 5k physical damage that is unblockable and can hit the opponent twice with one cast.

[Gotcha]

[QUOTE=TheGreatDivorce]Magus is better then 100 life from Whale for a helm if there was a choice between them, 20% FCR lets you use Bloods instead of Mages which gives 40 life + 30 FHR which is 2x life GCs' (70) and a lone SC (20) which is in total 130.

I've seen that helm that you mentioned with +3 Ele. and the works quite a few times. It usually goes for 40x or less SoJs/32020s/Runes.


Actually Magus can only be on a circlet which means the most you can get is +3 to Elemental skills. The BK rings are a great idea yet with helm and rings you do get 2 all skills and 3 elemental yet FCR rings IMO have a better advantage in the long run of getting lots of good mods like res, life and the key ones +20 str or dex (I like Str better) where they allow you to never have to place points into str at all.

I was wondering if it was possible to have a magic pelt that would be godly with +3 elemental and even +3 to tornado and still be able to get the suffix of "of the whale"? Other then the +3 elemental for the prefix the other skill options are not part of the possible suffix so that is what keeps me imbuing gems and pelts :surprise: If it is not possible to get "of the whale" on a pelt please let me know, hehe, then i will hunt down those rare pelts to keep me interested in d2 longer to try and achieve a +2 skill/3 tornado, +3 optional rare godly pelt. The magic ones are the only way to reroll with an easier chance other then finding. I love the helm issue in itself since there are so many possibilities.

[Lordjim]

Ya last ladder i found a +3 elemental with +2 tornado magical helm with the goat head and it rocked. I never got around to socketing it but I feel it looks so much better than the shako sack head look and it shot my tornado damage through thte roof. Come to think of it I really need to go back and finish this character he was all done exept for needing a HOTO. I vote for any noncookie cutter items because i love incorporating rares and magicals onto my builds as much as possible, and crafted stuff too!!!

:clap:

[TheGreatDivorce]

[QUOTE=TheGreatDivorce]Magus is better then 100 life from Whale for a helm if there was a choice between them, 20% FCR lets you use Bloods instead of Mages which gives 40 life + 30 FHR which is 2x life GCs' (70) and a lone SC (20) which is in total 130.

I've seen that helm that you mentioned with +3 Ele. and the works quite a few times. It usually goes for 40x or less SoJs/32020s/Runes.


Actually Magus can only be on a circlet which means the most you can get is +3 to Elemental skills. The BK rings are a great idea yet with helm and rings you do get 2 all skills and 3 elemental yet FCR rings IMO have a better advantage in the long run of getting lots of good mods like res, life and the key ones +20 str or dex (I like Str better) where they allow you to never have to place points into str at all.

I was wondering if it was possible to have a magic pelt that would be godly with +3 elemental and even +3 to tornado and still be able to get the suffix of "of the whale"? Other then the +3 elemental for the prefix the other skill options are not part of the possible suffix so that is what keeps me imbuing gems and pelts :surprise: If it is not possible to get "of the whale" on a pelt please let me know, hehe, then i will hunt down those rare pelts to keep me interested in d2 longer to try and achieve a +2 skill/3 tornado, +3 optional rare godly pelt. The magic ones are the only way to reroll with an easier chance other then finding. I love the helm issue in itself since there are so many possibilities.

Alas, you cannot get Whale on a Pelt, the highest you can get is +60 from Collossus.

FCR Rings' are definitly better then BKs'/SoJs'. It can give more Life then BKs' (I got one with +16 Strength, 50 Life and Resists), can give more Mana then SoJs' (Got one with +87 Mana, 17 Energy and Resists) and like you said can give you Strength and Dexterity which will enable you to stay at base stats. Although getting one with Strength/Dexterity/Life/Mana and Resists is going to cost you.

[Gotcha]

[QUOTE=TheGreatDivorce][QUOTE=Gotcha]

Alas, you cannot get Whale on a Pelt, the highest you can get is +60 from Collossus.

Ok, now I am going to cry :eek: