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Sepuku
09-02-2005, 15:01
Hello all,

I'm new to this forum.
Just wanted to ask one question about CE. The thing is that when I kill with CE the monters dont drop any good items at all. In fact, the amount of items (any) I get by killing with CE is very low but when I let my skllies do the job monsters drop a lot of stuff.... So , my question is does my MF work with CE? And does CE somehow reduces the amount of items monters should drop?

Maybe its a newbish question, but any help would be appreciated.

:)
Kyo
09-02-2005, 15:44
Hi - Welcome to the necro board. :D

Statistically it not meant to make a difference but it surprising how this is noticed among so many players that use CE .

Kyo
Necrochild313
09-02-2005, 16:53
It may just be luck, but who knows? I've gotten many decent drops from pindle while using CE. I guess it's a possibility that one should be wary of, but I don't think anyone has/can provide solid proof that MF does not work with CE :(
Necrochild313
09-02-2005, 17:05
It may just be luck, but who knows? I've gotten many decent drops from pindle while using CE. I guess it's a possibility that one should be wary of, but I don't think anyone has/can provide solid proof that MF does not work with CE :(
Sculpin
09-02-2005, 19:24
Hmm and I thought this was just something that happened to me. CE is a great killer but the drops do usually stink. I usually try to let my merc or skellies kill any bosses so I can hopefully avoid the poor drops.
Sepuku
10-02-2005, 19:06
So I see I'm not the only one who wonders about this thing with CE.
Bump for this thread , maybe someone will give some information about this. :)
haTe™
10-02-2005, 19:36
So I see I'm not the only one who wonders about this thing with CE.
Bump for this thread , maybe someone will give some information about this. :)

hmm interesting..

it seems hard to prove it but I'll try..
Wambat
10-02-2005, 20:10
I think we need similar questions answered about kills made by AI cursed monsters and converted monsters as well.
haTe™
11-02-2005, 10:21
Hello all,

I'm new to this forum.
Just wanted to ask one question about CE. The thing is that when I kill with CE the monters dont drop any good items at all. In fact, the amount of items (any) I get by killing with CE is very low but when I let my skllies do the job monsters drop a lot of stuff.... So , my question is does my MF work with CE? And does CE somehow reduces the amount of items monters should drop?

Maybe its a newbish question, but any help would be appreciated.

:)

Meet HateTagMaster our lvl 99 nec..

so hate™ has lvl 99 CE and lvl 99 amp..and Bspirit 50k
and also 1xxxxxxxxxxxx chanse of geting magic items..

our necro will do some baal runs..

so the point is in killing unique monsters on map with CE

cast amp then kill monsters around target and CE him to death.. very simple

in 10 runs here what have been found(only from monsters killd with CE):

griz armor
trang armor
eth troll reaper
heavens light
tarnhelm
hellslayer
warlords mil axe
eth ESE
and some other low lvl uniques 10-15 of them and ton of rares.. and I do thet again and again and again...
simular results.

now aur lovely necro will do the same but with no mf

in 10 runs I found :
Stormsheild :D
some rares. I do thet again and again..
simular results but no SS this time actualy in 10 runs none unique..

so CE transfers mf and extra gold from monsters..
and not afected by %fsd and -to enemy fire resistance !!!

its posible thet I juz had a lot of luck… :D

however amount of items I get by killing with CE seems to be lower
but I cant prove this.
Mad Mantis
11-02-2005, 13:40
The thing is that when I kill with CE the monters dont drop any good items at all.

Welcome Newcomer to The Darkness. Grab a brew (http://www.lgl.bayern.de/de/left/fachinformationen/lebensmittel/warencodes/_images/bier.jpg) and feel free to raise some corpses.

How many runs did you do? MF has such low percentages that it is not unlikely that you just had "a stroke of bad luck".
Wambat
11-02-2005, 18:34
Thanks for answering the question haTe™. Any chance you could run a similar test with confuse, attract and convert?
haTe™
11-02-2005, 23:37
Thanks for answering the question haTe™. Any chance you could run a similar test with confuse, attract and convert?

Yeah why not. :D
haTe™
12-02-2005, 13:01
Well confuse and coversion DO NOT transfer mf.
for atract I realy dont know and have no idea how to test it..

if someone doesent belive me I can post whole test..
but I realy doubt thet conversion and confuse make so much kills thet
it would make difrence in mfing
RTB
12-02-2005, 14:04
CE is a spell that requires a corpse, which may make it seem that it's the monster's corpse doing the killing (It's merely being blown to pieces), but the MF of the character is still used.

I think we need similar questions answered about kills made by AI cursed monsters and converted monsters as well.
Converted monsters do not inherit the caster's MF. They have 0% MF.
Myrakh-2
12-02-2005, 14:24
Converted monsters do not inherit the caster's MF. They have 0% MF.

Are they minions? I keep telling people that ALL minions inherit MF/GF, so if converted monsters are minions I'd have to rephrase that.

Do you get experience for kills by converted monsters? Do they teleport/tp/wp with you? I know they share party auras (of all types, not just the paladin auras)
RTB
12-02-2005, 16:13
Are they minions? I keep telling people that ALL minions inherit MF/GF, so if converted monsters are minions I'd have to rephrase that.
Converted monsters merely shift alignment, they don't join your party.

Do you get experience for kills by converted monsters? Do they teleport/tp/wp with you? I know they share party auras (of all types, not just the paladin auras)

Nope, nope.