View Full Version : Not much talk about Furysins
Pherdnut
08-02-2005, 04:57
I would have thought a lot of the new runewords would pose interesting possibilities for this build. Did I just miss the initial hooplah? Grief? Combined Auras? Come on people, let's hear it!
Oh, and does anybody know if Strength enhances Blades of Fury? A titan version (excessivce strength at the expense of all else) of this build would be pretty funny if it worked.
I actually built up two runewords to use on my Furysin... Fortitude armor and Dream shield. One enchances the physical damage of my attack and the other adds some outstanding lightning damage. She's been tearing through stuff pretty well in hell now.
As far as I know, the strength / dexterity bonus you get for blade fury is based on the type of weapon you're using. Most melee weapons get a strength bonus, but assassin claws get a mixed bonus from strength and dexterity.
I'd hoped to try my BF'er against DClone, but ever since she made it to hell, I haven't found the bastard.
hey Phaeax
Mind posting some of the damage listings your getting with the runewords on your Furysin? I've always loved BF and can't seem to get the damage above 1200...
-X
Sure... I don't have the game in front of me right now, but I can list my gear.
Gear:
Crescent Moon 'ShaelUmTir' mythical sword (ethereal)
Dream 'IoJahPul' blade barrier
Fortitude 'ElSolDolLo' archon plate
Guillaume's Face (1s w/ ED & light dmg jewel)
Dracul's Grasp
Verdungo's Hearty Cord
Gore Rider
Highlords Wrath
Raven Frost
crafted blood ring (5% mana steal)
Weapon Switch:
shadow katar(s)
I haven't leveled enough to use my Stormlash and Metalgrid I've saved for her yet, but I did make some initial calculations on this final setup...
Effects per blade (including 1H weapon's 3/4 penalty but ignoring strength bonus):
Physical damage: 33-906 (470 avg)
Lightning damage: 1-840 (420 avg)
Poison damage: 491-506 (499 avg) over 0.4 secs
Total damage: 525-2252 (1388 avg)
Crushing Blow: 83% chance
Deadly Strike: 30% chance
Open Wounds: 35% chance
Static Field: 15% chance
I'll play around a little more and post some better, more concrete numbers this evening.
Aron Figaro
09-02-2005, 01:38
Dream stacks, from everything I've been told (by dozens of reputable people). So get a Dream helm on there and you'll do SICKER lightning damage...I never thought of Blade Fury as a Dream delivery system...I'm going to have to try this one myself!
OK, I though I'd check out my furysin and go over some of the damage numbers she has with her new runewords. I'm only level 78, so my Stormlash and Metalgrid are out (assumed in the previous analysis). Instead I'm using a Crescent Moon in an ethereal mythical sword, with 186-233 on-weapon damage. As an amulet, I'm currently using an Eye of Etlich, with a little cold damage (2-4). My Guillame's Face is also socketed with a pretty sweet rare jewel with 26% ED, +3 minimum damage, 23-41 fire, 1-15 lightning.
With my current gear and charms, I get 148 strength and 26% ED and have +3-7 physical damage, 23-41 fire, 17-49 cold damage, and 2-55 lightning damage.
Without the armor or shield or casting venom, I have a listed damage of: 393-614.
Placing on the armor and getting the 300% ED bonus to physical damage, it becomes: 818-1154.
Adding the shield gives me holy shock and about 500 more maximum damage at: 819-1640.
Finally using my weapon switch to cast venom and switch back: 1288-2124.
Not too shabby for as fast as each of those lil' blades flies out. ;)
I do like the idea of stacking the Dreams to get a level 30 holy shock aura, but I had a hard time ditching the other great mods from Guillame's Face.
Diabolico x64
09-02-2005, 22:46
What skills did you invest in, Phaeax? Most importantly, I wanted to know if I should put more than a single point into Blade Fury itself.
Thanks for posting the stats Phaex
If I could afford the runes, I'd try the gear suggestions...might be worth it if the damage is that good with BF.
I'm assuming maxed Venom is one of your skills? if not, you should...it adds a nice chunk of damage with minimal timer on the poison. With +skills, venom can add 700+ damage...per blade. I think it's 4 blades a second...which is alot of damage.
yay Blade Fury..lol
-X
Venom last 0.4 sec so if U have no other poison sources of dmg
in 2 sec 5 blades will do poison dmg from venom.
And is good to not have other poison sources of dmg.
Also its prebufabe so if U get 2 weapons with 3 to SD and venom thet is +12 to it. for example at 48lvl its 1300.. boosted with some %psd it get serius.
Greif is nice but Furysin juz dont have enough ed to make it efective..
becide it not physical dmg thet kills
and stormlash is defenetly best weapon with Jah for ITD.
and Bramble is much beter then Fortitude if having high lvl venom.
didnt try dream yet.. and tiamats is maybe better
full stash of elemetal dmg charms will help alot.
my Furysin have 4-6k of dmg :D
nice huh..
h._
Pherdnut
10-02-2005, 00:03
Just use one point. There are things you can do with 19 skill points that are much more useful than tacking another 93 more points on to an attack in Hell where HP are measured by by the tens of thousand.
Don't think of Venom in terms of per hit so much as per second. Hittin a poisoned character with another blade just keeps the poison effect going. Before plus skills, that's around 1000 points of damage a second on top of the other damage you're doing assuming you hit most of the time.
Just use one point. There are things you can do with 19 skill points that are much more useful than tacking another 93 more points on to an attack in Hell where HP are measured by by the tens of thousand.
Don't think of Venom in terms of per hit so much as per second. Hittin a poisoned character with another blade just keeps the poison effect going. Before plus skills, that's around 1000 points of damage a second on top of the other damage you're doing assuming you hit most of the time.
About BF yes 1 point is enough far from thet only increase mana per attack
and some rediculus dmg so best at 1
yes but on my char for example its 6000 per second..
Yes, Diablolico, the key to BF is that it only takes a one point investment. Most of the damage comes from it doing 3/4 of your weapon and elemental damage along with some of the wonderful things like CB and OW.
The skills I maxed were Venom, Fade, Shadow Master, and Death Sentry. Venom does add a lot of poison damage to your attack, although as fast as BF hits it may not finish it's 0.4s duration before the next blade infects the target. Venom also makes other poison sources pretty useless as it reduces their duration to 0.4s and scales down their damage as well. Fade and Shadow Master offer decent protection and distraction, and in rare cases you can make use of Cloak of Shadows or Mind Blast. Death Sentry is mainly used to explode corpses for groups of enemies and maxing it increases its blast radius.
I had used a Tiamat's before, and there is a definite damage increase with Dream. The little bit of cold and fire damage is now all lightning, but with a decent attack consisting of 3 damage types (physical, lightning, poison), I've yet to find anything I couldn't kill.
I don't plan on putting a Jah in my Stormlash once I can use it. I'll put an Eth rune in it to lower target defenses, and along with Cloak of Shadows, should do a good job lowering their guards as opposed to improving my AR. Worst case, I'll keep my Crescent Moon handy for it's ITD whenever I really need it.
I allready put Jah in my eth Stormlash..
so by your words Dream is better then Tiamats...
Well tnx for advice I'll give it a try
Ooh! Ethereal Stormlash... nice.
I made my Dream in a blade barrier, so here's the comparitive stats:
Tiamat's Rebuke
Dragon Shield
Defense: 163-204 (varies)
Required Level: 38
Required Strength: 91
Chance to Block: Asn: 43%
Durability: 116
+140-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
Adds 27-53 Cold Damage - 6 Second Duration
Adds 35-95 Fire Damage
Adds 1-120 Lightning Damage
3% Chance To Cast Level 6 Hydra When Struck
5% Chance To Cast Level 7 Nova When Struck
5% Chance To Cast Level 9 Frost Nova When Struck
All Resistances +25-35% (varies)
Dream
Blade Barrier
Defense: 341-431 (varies)
Required Level: 65
Required Strength: 118
Chance to Block: Asn: 45%
Durability: 83
10% Chance To Cast Level 15 Confuse When Struck
Level 15 Holy Shock Aura When Equipped
+20-30% Faster Hit Recovery (varies)
+30% Enhanced Defense
+150-220 Defense (varies)
+10 To Vitality
+50 To Life
+0.625-61.875 To Mana (Based On Character Level)
All Resistances +5-20 (varies)
15-25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items (varies)
The main purpose of either shield is to add damage to blade fury, and while the elemental damage on Tiamat's is 63-268 (165.5 avg), level 15 holy shock adds 1-648 (324.5 avg) lightning damage. You lose a little resistance, but I find that Fade makes up well for that. The chance to cast elemental spells on Tiamat's can seem nice, but they're relatively low damage and you don't really want to be hit a lot. On the other hand, I've found confuse to be wonderful at distracting enemies when I do happen to get swarmed. Add in the extra little bonuses of defense, life, mana, and a bit of MF, and Dream is a pretty sweet shield.
I made dream monarch.
so far so good. defenetly better then tiamat. :D
now I have evem more dmg...
Suiginto
20-02-2005, 17:41
Greif is nice but Furysin juz dont have enough ed to make it efective..
becide it not physical dmg thet kills
h._
but wouldn't the fortitude's 300ed help bring up the grief +xxx dmg? if it does then eth grief zerkers or anyother weapons could be worth lookling at.
but wouldn't the fortitude's 300ed help bring up the grief +xxx dmg? if it does then eth grief zerkers or anyother weapons could be worth lookling at.
yes it would. and with fortitude and phoenix dmg would be quite good..
and it's not juz thet grief have ITD and -%enemy psn res
but most people if have thet items use it on other chars
its much more efective on zealots or fury druids..
but if realy like furysins why not..
but downside is in lack of CB and SF from stormlash/duress
thet can be aranged by using goblin toe 25 CB ,and 10 CB glowes instead of
draculs..
and I'm didnt convinced thet it would kill faster then standard build.
deadbeater
20-02-2005, 21:13
I do 400 points damage blade fury in hell with a gull dagger. That's right a gull dagger. And i still kill quickly.
The only things really relevant to bf are the elemental enchantments, the attack rating or itd, and the reduce HP trinity (the crushing blow, the deadly strike/critical strike and the open wounds), nothing else.
I do 400 points damage blade fury in hell with a gull dagger. That's right a gull dagger. And i still kill quickly.
The only things really relevant to bf are the elemental enchantments, the attack rating or itd, and the reduce HP trinity (the crushing blow, the deadly strike/critical strike and the open wounds), nothing else.
OW sux in pvm.
dedly doubles total physical dmg in Ur case thet would be 800.
which left us with CB,venom and ele dmg from charms and other items.
Even with grief and fortitude and/or phoenix U still can have
70% CB and much higher phy dmg but it still mater of choise..
The main purpose of either shield is to add damage to blade fury, and while the elemental damage on Tiamat's is 63-268 (165.5 avg), level 15 holy shock adds 1-648 (324.5 avg) lightning damage. You lose a little resistance, but I find that Fade makes up well for that. The chance to cast elemental spells on Tiamat's can seem nice, but they're relatively low damage and you don't really want to be hit a lot. On the other hand, I've found confuse to be wonderful at distracting enemies when I do happen to get swarmed. Add in the extra little bonuses of defense, life, mana, and a bit of MF, and Dream is a pretty sweet shield.
While this is all correct caculations, it doesn't include if Tiamat is sockted with a Lightning Facet.. Which is what I've done with my original Blade Fury Sin Build :
http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=565
While Dream may still be the better Shield in the overall setup the lower Enemy Resistance to Lightning is in my humble oppinion more important.
.... so.. while yes i agree the Lightning damage is nice, the suggestion also mentione din this thread to also use the Helmet Dream cause they stack... well once more I have to object.
The main damage the Blade Fury Assasin does isn't from lightning... physical damage.. or what ever element you want to mention. The main damage comes from : Crushing Blow....
It's been ages since I've posted on the Forums conserning the build of the Furysin... at the time I created it I thought it would die out fast... apparently I was wrong. So thank you all for proving me wrong.
SonOfRa...
--EDIT--
While Fortitude is also very nice... :
Body Armor
All Resistances +25-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius
Duress beats it hands down!
+40% Faster Hit Recovery
+10-20% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 37-133 Cold Damage
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
33% Chance of Open Wounds
+150-200% Enchanced Defense (varies)
-20% Slower Stamina Drain
Cold Resist +45%
Lightning Resist +15%
Fire Resist +15%
Poison Resist +15%
Why?... Take a look and you'll see 2 hugely important stats : Open Wounds and Crushing Blow....
You dont need more mana. You dont need light radius.. removing 2 of the 5 stats on Fortitude, so while it does give a little resistance, the use of Fade which is a Blade Furys main aura completely elimitates the need for high resistnace on this armor. Instead the extra : resistance, open wounds, crushing blow, slower stamina drain, enahnced damage, cold damage, extra armor rating.... I could keep on rambling... isntead..
Read the guid listed earlier... it still holds true even with all the new runewords :)
The main damage the Blade Fury Assasin does isn't from lightning... physical damage.. or what ever element you want to mention. The main damage comes from : Crushing Blow....
Yes.. but CB reduces by 25% of monsters curent hp..
so 2 hit with CB will do the work becouse when monster have less then half life its realy not noticable. So most ppl dont try to get 100% to CB and
doing fine with 60-70.. U only need 2-3 hits and thet is it..
but Guilems face is still better then dream helm..
While Fortitude is also very nice... :
Body Armor
All Resistances +25-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius
it gives actualy
20% Chance To Cast Level 15 Chilling Armor when Struck
+25% Faster Cast Rate
+300% Enhanced Damage
+200% Enhanced Defense
+15 Defense
+(1-1.5)-(99-148.5) To Life (Based on Character Level)
Replenish Life +7
+5% To Maximum Lightning Resist
All Resistances +25-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius
so some ppl wanna to sacrefice 15CB and other from durres
for 300ed thet will increase Ur physical dmg..
and stormlash is still weapon of choise
it gives actualy
20% Chance To Cast Level 15 Chilling Armor when Struck
+25% Faster Cast Rate
+300% Enhanced Damage
+200% Enhanced Defense
+15 Defense
+(1-1.5)-(99-148.5) To Life (Based on Character Level)
Replenish Life +7
+5% To Maximum Lightning Resist
All Resistances +25-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius
so some ppl wanna to sacrefice 15CB and other from durres
for 300ed thet will increase Ur physical dmg..
Odd how Blizzards own site then disinforms ppl :)
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords.shtml#new
While yes I see the stats you mention on a weapon I don't see them on the armor.. (I've not bothered to do the armor myself)
Ristlev, glad to see you found this thread. ;)
I'm not as huge a fan of using facets with this build. As my numbers showed, I have three near equal sources of damage in the build: physical, posion, and lightning. A facet only doubles the effect of lightning damage if the enemy is 95% resistant to it. At that point, I'd rather rely on my other damage sources than a 90% reduced lightning damage.
I liked the Dream shield as soon as I saw it, as I never thought Tiamat's added a lot to the build. It was simply used becasue there was nothing better. Fortitude was a little harder sell, as Duress does have some really nice stats. And I'd never "dream" of replacing my Guillame's Face with anything else. ;)
I saw some Last wish post end rememberthet I have one :cool:
so with LW I have godly dmg,ITD,ton of CB and might so even more dmg..
this alone have enough CB so what to do..
to go for phoenix/fortitude or 2dreams or somethin else..
and I'm start to think thet blizz wanna make LW for godly Furysin weapon :)
Its a really nice build, doing very well, and cheap, on HC.
Now lvl 46 in A2 NM, and running out of mana fast.
But i am not willing to spent points in energy, so i have to find an other source.
I will go with cresent moon and duress, i have the runes, now i have to find the items.
And most of all i like it while its differnt.
Now lvl 49, and set for baalruns NM, it gets harder.
Time to get my shadow stronger, and lvl the merc.
Hit lvl 69 last night, still doing baalruns Nm, and got my Crescent Moon weapon also, solo is OK, not to fast, and DS always working.
This build is basically another assasin build around DS (very powerfull).
You have to get down the first 2 or 3 monsters and then its a walk in the park.
But its a kind fun, this build, but sure no cookie cutter or pwnd'r.
have tio work on the crushing blow a bit, and lets see how she does in HELL.
This build is basically another assasin build around DS (very powerfull).
I disagree...
:)
There are plenty of times where I slay whole groups with Fury rather than waste time having to set a trap. Then again my damage have been accumulated over a very long period of time (read : item whoring for ages to get the gear I needed)
I've put Diablo II on the shelf for a while due to a thirst for WoW, but I will say this that from time to time you'll see my Furysin out and streeching her lags and like when I left she can still cut down any mob at a pretty desent speed.
raphiel20
31-03-2005, 17:37
Have to just put some more support into what Rits has said. DS is not the main killer and in no way is built around it. Your main killer is the speed of your attack, high CB quickly diminishes health as does the few k dmg you can pull off.
Playing my BFsin and also playing with rits while his used his we've quickly cut through mobs with little need for a DS.
*Heya Rits seems we keep popping back to the sin forum at the same time from our breaks from WoW/GW lol :D
Raph
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