runewords

[Lord Sephiroth6667]

which do you think is the best Runeword for a Necromancer?

[Korrupted]

Depends on what type of necromance you intend to be.
Bramble is perfect for poison; summoners tend to favour Beast as well as the new ones that give auras; then you have runewords like Chains of Honor that benefit any build.

[Jimi-]

might/pride merc and beast on your self

[KamikazeJustice]

Breast Plate 'Enigma' is good for any build
'White' wand :Possible to get +5 to Bone Spear and +6 Poison/Bone Skills
'Bramble' armor for Poison Nova Necro

- KamikazeJustice / SlipKnotJustice

[Myrakh-2]

'White' wand :Possible to get +5 to Bone Spear and +6 Poison/Bone Skills

Actually, the +5 to Bone Spear is correct (+3 from wand, +2 from White), but Arreat Summit only lists +3 to Poison/Bone (which makes it a total of +8 to Bone Spear).

[KamikazeJustice]

Actually, the +5 to Bone Spear is correct (+3 from wand, +2 from White), but Arreat Summit only lists +3 to Poison/Bone (which makes it a total of +8 to Bone Spear).

I didn't include the +3 to Poison/Bone Skills to the Bone Spear total... I assumed that would be understood. I merely stated what would be printed on the wand. If you should be fortunate to find a normal wand with +3 P/B and +3 Bone Spear... it's possible to make a +6 P/B and +5 Bone Spear wand... as I said previously. A total of +11 to Bone Spear.

- KamikazeJustice / SlipKnotJustice

[rickcarson]

... If you should be fortunate to find a normal wand with +3 P/B and +3 Bone Spear...

+3 P/B on the base wand requires it to be magical. And hence not 'normal'. And hence it cannot be made into a runeword.



it's possible to make a +6 P/B and +5 Bone Spear wand... as I said previously. A total of +11 to Bone Spear.

- KamikazeJustice / SlipKnotJustice

No, its not possible, for the reason that you will never find a normal wand like that.

[haTe™]

Well Bramble is my favorite. 49%psd :)

but maybe Brand could be my new necro favorite runeword...

[sorcees]

EDGE, see the stickies, for the corrupted build, great, fun, cheap and safe!

[KamikazeJustice]

+3 P/B on the base wand requires it to be magical. And hence not 'normal'. And hence it cannot be made into a runeword.


No, its not possible, for the reason that you will never find a normal wand like that.

Well... I came from Arreat's, and I didn't find anywhere, where it's not possible to find a non-magic wand that can have +3 to P/B skills. They leave lots of info out, when it comes to 'white' or normal items. It does say, that the higher the item's level, the better the skills can be on normal weapons. You could be right... and I could be wrong... but, until I see it in print, I'll continue keeping my eyes open.

It doesn't say anywhere on Arreat's, that I can find a normal 2 OS Necro shield with +3 Bone Spirit, but i did find one. I turned it into a 'Splendor ' giving it +4 to Bone Spirit. I'll keep hoping, until Blizz tells me differently... or maybe you can tell where it says it on Blizzard.com, that definitely, +3 to P/B is impossible to get on a normal item.

Arreat's says," Items shown in violet can only appear on Magic Items but not Rare Items." It does not say," Items shown in violet can only appear on Magic Items but not Rare Items or Normal Items.

[Necrochild313]

enigma, it's a runeword that's almost not considered a true "runeword" nowadays since it seems to be so standard :(

Enigma is almost a required gear component for the pvp necro (very difficult to defeat aggressive teleporters without teleport yourself), and it acts like Red Bull for a pvm necro (enigma gives you wings!)

[jokermwx]

I think anything is possible. I can see +3PnB, +3Bspear, and +3Bspirit. I like my white (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/merriwx1-White.JPG) wand.

[KamikazeJustice]

I think anything is possible. I can see +3PnB, +3Bspear, and +3Bspirit. I like my white (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/merriwx1-White.JPG) wand.

So, you found a wand with +2 Bone Spirit and +3 Bone Spear on it.... very nice...and... I'm jealous!

[rickcarson]

EDGE, see the stickies, for the corrupted build, great, fun, cheap and safe!

*bows* gracias.

I have come to the conclusion that Edge is just a cheap version of Bramble, and that all the people who months ago were going on about how good it was deserve most of the credit. And, it also tends to reinforce all the votes for Bramble.

I have to say though, that I think Enigma is definitely head and shoulders above everything else.

[rickcarson]

...Arreat's says," Items shown in violet can only appear on Magic Items...

Isn't this the answer to your own question?

Your options:

Disagree with me and Myrahk2 on general principles (always good for a laugh*)
Produce evidence to back up your claim (will accept as evidence: any normal wand with any of: +to necromancer skill; +to summoning; +to cursing; +to p&b; of any level (1-3))
Try to start a flame war
Try to start an argument about semantics (see previous item)
Go off in a huff
Try to tell us that your friends cousins little sister overheard at school that someone in another realm had one once


I'd be quite happy to be proved wrong. After all, the Arreat Summit has been wrong before, and will probably be quite wrong in the future as well, and it would give us all something to shoot for.

So anyways, good luck trying to find one. :D

*Since we hardly ever agree with any of each others conclusions, when we do agree on something its usually a good bet.

[KamikazeJustice]

Actually, if Arreats meant quite literally that "items shown on violet can only appear on magic items"... you and I can agree that that is not true... if it was true, then when we find a cheap 'violet' wand that has only +1 to skeletons or the like, and we wouldn't ever expect to see that mod on a normal wand cuz of that statement. We know for a fact that '+1 to skeletons' can appear on normal or white wands... don't we? That page is only comparing 'purple' and rare items... not normal.

Taking that statement from Arreats, out of context, would make it look pretty bad for normal items. But, normal items has nothing to do with the page that that quote came from. So I will keep looking for that sweet normal or 'white' wand.

Like I said before... you could be right, and I could be wrong. I don't think I'm flaming you or holding it personal in any way. I'm not gonna pretend that I'm right, either... but, I'll believe a +3 p/b normal wand is possible until Blizz says otherwise. Nothing will be proven, either way, until Blizzard puts it in print about what skills can or cannot be on normal wands.

[Cadet]

Actually, I have a White wand that had +1 bone spirit, +2 bone spear, and +2 iron golem as the base mods. Pic below:

[img=http://img226.exs.cx/img226/3997/screenshot0129kr.th.jpg] (http://img226.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img226&image=screenshot0129kr.jpg)

This is on non-ladder, though.

[rickcarson]

Actually, I have a White wand that had +1 bone spirit, +2 bone spear, and +2 iron golem as the base mods. Pic below:

[img=http://img226.exs.cx/img226/3997/screenshot0129kr.th.jpg] (http://img226.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img226&image=screenshot0129kr.jpg)

This is on non-ladder, though.

Noone is disputing that individual spells can have bonuses on non magical wands and fetishes. For the technically inclined, those are referred commonly as 'staff mods'. For this, wands seem to follow the same rules as staves. For 2 socket plain items, but with +s to individual skills, all you need to do is go have a look at the sellers in Act 1 and 2 on Normal difficulty.

That's usually how I shop for my 'Leaf' runewords actually. :howdy:

What is being disputed is the general categories - +s to a whole tree, such as Po & Bo, Curses, or the other one. Oh heck, let me just cut and paste from the freaking AS:


from http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/wands.shtml
Wands can have up to 3 additional spells which will range from +1 to +3 to a skill level.



from http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/pre.shtml

Summoner's
+1 to Necromancer Skill Levels
Head(30), Daggers(30), Wands(30), Amulets(36), Circlets(36)

Necromancer's
+2 to Necromancer Skill Levels
Head(50), Daggers(50), Wands(50), Amulets(90), Circlets(90)

...

Hexing
+1 Necromancer Curses
Amulets(20), Circlets(20), Heads(20), Wands(20)

Blighting
+2 Necromancer Curses
Amulets(40), Circlets(40), Heads(40), Wands(40)

Accursed
+3 Necromancer Curses
Amulets(60), Circlets(60), Heads(60), Wands(60)

Fungal
+1 Necromancer Poison and Bone Spells
Amulets(20), Circlets(20), Head(20), Daggers(20), Wands(20)

Noxious
+2 Necromancer Poison and Bone Spells
Amulets(40), Circlets(40), Head(40), Daggers(40), Wands(40)

Venomous
+3 Necromancer Poison and Bone Spells
Amulets(60), Circlets(60), Head(60), Daggers(60), Wands(60)

Graverobber's
+1 Necromancer Summoning Spells
Amulets(20), Circlets(20), Head(20), Wands(20)

Mojo
+2 Necromancer Summoning Spells
Amulets(40), Circlets(40), Head(40), Wands(40)

Golemlord's
+3 Necromancer Summoning Spells
Amulets(60), Circlets(60), Head(60), Wands(60)



Anyways, so there you have it - those prefixes are for magical items only.
And runewords cannot be made in magical items.

So show me a runeword made in one of those items. Or a normal or socketed item with one of those prefixes.

NB: Amazon items (even non magical ones) *can* spawn with +s to a particular tree. But don't take that to mean that the same can occur for Necro wands or Sorc staves, since on this page:


http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/amazonweapons.shtml
Amazon Bows can have +1, +2 or +3 to Bow and Crossbow Skills. Spears and Javelins can have +1, +2, or +3 to Javelin and Spear Skills.


They explicitly state that can happen. Note also that they don't say that individual skills can get pluses - and lo and behold normal Amazon items never spawn with mods like "+1 to Fend (Amazon only)".

The nice thing about that is that it is actually possible to get +6 to say Bow and Crossbow skills - but only on a magical item which has the prefix "Archers". And that being magical it couldn't then be made into a runeword. Also, that you couldn't find a rare with +6 B&C, because the +3 mods are for magical items only, not magic and rare.

Note also that unique and set wands and staves never spawn with the random pluses to skills (unless specifically mentioned in the unique item description).