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Which char would be an overall better pvp? All with godly gear.
Fb/Es Sorc (200fcr)
PnB Necro (125fcr)
Orb/Es Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Blizz Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Fire Sorc (200fcr)
Light/Es Sorc (not sure of the fcr, but average)
This is in pubby games, so no rules. And all items are available.
When you pick your char please post the pros/cons.
Thank you.
imo liberator would be best
you can easily get at least 8k magic dmng 4k+life and at least 5k phys dmng and u can dysnech like crazy and become partialy lit and cold immune buy putting a few pts in cold/lit res aura in theory u should basicly be invincible to anything but bone necs and other hammerdins/mages/libs
Phyrexial
04-02-2005, 04:59
For pubbies I'd think the FB sorc, Light sorc, and PB necro would do best.
FB: Great damage and speed, combined with ES can tank quite a bit. Your main problems will probably come in the form of absorbers and BvC barbs/WW sins.
Light: Same as the FB sorc although slower firing rate and the damage range makes for less consistant damage meaning more 1 hit kills and sometimes little to no damage. A high ES% is easier to get with this build as well.
PB: Unresistable damage, can kill just about anything if played right with it's main problems being good sorcs and Windies.
Those are my choices from your suggestions. You might also take into account your budget. I think Light sorcs are the cheapest to make, depending if you are L or NL.
Which char would be an overall better pvp? All with godly gear.
Fb/Es Sorc (200fcr)
PnB Necro (125fcr)
Orb/Es Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Blizz Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Fire Sorc (200fcr)
Light/Es Sorc (not sure of the fcr, but average)
This is in pubby games, so no rules. And all items are available.
When you pick your char please post the pros/cons.
Thank you.
Warcry Barb (105/200fcr)
This guy can have no AR problems at all, insane life, massive resists, high run/walk speed, not a cookie-cutter dueling build either and can work well with poor and uber gear and even without an Enigma, insane cast rate 200 fast cast for meleers/bowazons/WW Barbs and WW Sins/Smite, Boners and Jabbers
105 cast rate for lightning sorcs and trappers/Blizzard and Orb sorcs, Lightning and Poison Amazons, All Elemental Druids and Fire Trappers.
7 frames teles and casts like crazy, pure ownage!
8 frames teles and casts nicely and allows for extreme resists/absorb gear due to the fact that dual wizardspikes already allow +150 resist all AND 100% fcr as well. And if you are poor and will never buy/afford and Enigma, a Tele ammy of any level will serve you just as well too.
For pubbies I'd think the FB sorc, Light sorc, and PB necro would do best.
FB: Great damage and speed, combined with ES can tank quite a bit. Your main problems will probably come in the form of absorbers and BvC barbs/WW sins.
Light: Same as the FB sorc although slower firing rate and the damage range makes for less consistant damage meaning more 1 hit kills and sometimes little to no damage. A high ES% is easier to get with this build as well.
PB: Unresistable damage, can kill just about anything if played right with it's main problems being good sorcs and Windies.
Those are my choices from your suggestions. You might also take into account your budget. I think Light sorcs are the cheapest to make, depending if you are L or NL.
Not bad, but a Warcry barb that has an Enigma/Tele Ammy and 105/200%fcr will own and wipe the floor with your FB sorc and your Light sorcs, even with ESheild and I will own a poison necro too and I know I can obliterate your boner and your 1.5k bone armor with a good Warcry Barb, Phyrexial.
Dutchgrass
04-02-2005, 18:44
That's odd, Warcry barbs never get mentioned when people are talking about the top end pvp builds, wonder why that is?
Not bad, but a Warcry barb that has an Enigma/Tele Ammy and 105/200%fcr will own and wipe the floor with your FB sorc and your Light sorcs, even with ESheild and I will own a poison necro too and I know I can obliterate your boner and your 1.5k bone armor with a good Warcry Barb, Phyrexial.
That sounds like a challenge. Wait for him not to be one the same server as Phrex is....
That's odd, Warcry barbs never get mentioned when people are talking about the top end pvp builds, wonder why that is?
That sounds like a challenge. Wait for him not to be one the same server as Phrex is....
In the eyes of a skilled dueler(like myself) he is the BEST non cookie-cutter pvper there is(I hate cookie-cutter builds because either everyone knows how to counter those cookie-cutter like blizz or any other cookie-cutter build can be easily pwned with a certain class/strategy.) And sorry, I am on USWest Ladder as of now, I will still be here in the pvp forums constantly posting about everyone mistakes but I won't be playing D2 for awhile. The only other non cookie-cutter build that can come close to matching the Warcry Barb is the Enchantress/ES Bear Sorceress and her damage is countered very, very easily, even in Hell Difficulty. They aren't mentioned only for 2 reasons.
1) Their damage:mana ratio is pretty weak.
2) And people only like to mention these cookie-cutters because they are the ones appearing the often in pubby games.
Phyrexial
04-02-2005, 21:01
Well Dutch, you called it. Not on my realm and *gasp* isn't even playing for awhile. Sounds like another dodger to me.
In any case, I can be present on West or East with Dkay's help so that shouldn't be too much of an issue. When this expert singer barb that will PWN us all comes back, I'll be happy to duel it or I'll just ask Dkay to kill it.
Not bad, but a Warcry barb that has an Enigma/Tele Ammy and 105/200%fcr will own and wipe the floor with your FB sorc and your Light sorcs, even with ESheild and I will own a poison necro too and I know I can obliterate your boner and your 1.5k bone armor with a good Warcry Barb, Phyrexial.
First off, he was asking for suggestions between the builds that he listed hence my suggestions.
Second, my 1k bone armor welfare necro would be glad to duel your warcry barb. I'm 99% confident my necro can take any warcry barb. Since you are west though, if the offer still stands, Dkay's necro is at least twice the necro mine is so I can certainly be effective on West. Inform me of when you decide to come back to bnet.
Lastly, I'm 100% certain that any decent WW barb would destroy any singer. The same probably applies to any WW sin. Stun means nothing to these characters and in a tanking contest, I believe both of these builds win.
In the eyes of a skilled dueler(like myself) he is the BEST non cookie-cutter pvper there is(I hate cookie-cutter builds because either everyone knows how to counter those cookie-cutter like blizz or any other cookie-cutter build can be easily pwned with a certain class/strategy.) And sorry, I am on USWest Ladder as of now, I will still be here in the pvp forums constantly posting about everyone mistakes but I won't be playing D2 for awhile. The only other non cookie-cutter build that can come close to matching the Warcry Barb is the Enchantress/ES Bear Sorceress and her damage is countered very, very easily, even in Hell Difficulty. They aren't mentioned only for 2 reasons.
1) Their damage:mana ratio is pretty weak.
2) And people only like to mention these cookie-cutters because they are the ones appearing the often in pubby games.lmao a cry barb cant beat **** there dmng is low you have no block if u want high fcr which also means low dr u cant function without enigma and your attack can also be blocked
Phyrexial
04-02-2005, 21:20
lmao a cry barb cant beat **** there dmng is low you have no block if u want high fcr which also means low dr u cant function without enigma and your attack can also be blocked
I'm skeptical about the functionality without Enigma as well, but as for balancing DR with fcr I'm sure it is doable. There are max dr, very fact fcr BvC barbs out there as is. Singers can use a fcr weapon to be even faster.
Singers are good, but they aren't unbeatable. A BvC barb can beat far more characters with far more consistency.
(I have both builds, so this isn't conjecture.)
[QUOTE=Phyrexial]For pubbies I'd think the FB sorc, Light sorc, and PB necro would do best.
FB: Great damage and speed, combined with ES can tank quite a bit. Your main problems will probably come in the form of absorbers and BvC barbs/WW sins.
Light: Same as the FB sorc although slower firing rate and the damage range makes for less consistant damage meaning more 1 hit kills and sometimes little to no damage. A high ES% is easier to get with this build as well.
PB: Unresistable damage, can kill just about anything if played right with it's main problems being good sorcs and Windies.[QUOTE]
So Orb/Es is out of the question? Even wearing top gear? I know its easy to absorb orbs, but I just wouldnt duel a heavily stacked absorber. I would let someone else kill him (fire sorc) untill he gets the point not to stack cold resist. What is more easily absorbed anyways? Cold? Light? or Fire? Almost all chars have a Raven Frost, but thats obviously not enough to negate all damage.
DanteAlastor
05-02-2005, 00:06
Which char would be an overall better pvp? All with godly gear.
Fb/Es Sorc (200fcr)
PnB Necro (125fcr)
Orb/Es Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Blizz Sorc (105fcr)
Pure Fire Sorc (200fcr)
Light/Es Sorc (not sure of the fcr, but average)
This is in pubby games, so no rules. And all items are available.
When you pick your char please post the pros/cons.
Thank you.
the character that has 40 full rejuvination potions in its inventory plus 16 full rejuvination potion in its belt would win... it doesnt matter what char you have
the character that has 40 full rejuvination potions in its inventory plus 16 full rejuvination potion in its belt would win... it doesnt matter what char you have
OMG I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT!!! Thank you for blessing us with your INCREDIBLE INSIGHT!!!
Ragnarok-
05-02-2005, 02:15
Dante i'll take you up on that offer... are you UsEast SCNL? Get 56 juvies, say bye to your damage and life, and duel me, you can pot as much as you want. No wells or shrines though. Whisper me if you can.
i really cant see a singer beating anything, ive never seen a singer that was able to kill consistantly
Tastychiken_europe
05-02-2005, 11:38
Singer's are worse than u think meele wise ^^ ..
my Zealot easely kill any warcry barb ( i met in that case).
but that's maybe my stone dungo's and coa talking :)
//cheer's Tastychiken
Phyrexial
06-02-2005, 02:14
So Orb/Es is out of the question? Even wearing top gear? I know its easy to absorb orbs, but I just wouldnt duel a heavily stacked absorber. I would let someone else kill him (fire sorc) untill he gets the point not to stack cold resist. What is more easily absorbed anyways? Cold? Light? or Fire? Almost all chars have a Raven Frost, but thats obviously not enough to negate all damage.
Orb/ES I didn't list because it is so easily reduced/negated. 2 Ravens lowers your damage considerably and combined with a Blackoak even with crap cold resists it will negate your damage.
However, if you don't intend to duel absorbers then Orb ES is easily one of the best.
CookiesnCream
06-02-2005, 07:02
A good orb/es sorc is very good but almost everyone absorbs them. However, most orb sorcs in pub duels are generally orb/meteor mf sorcs that are in a dueling game for some unknown reason. They play hit and run all day long and yell absorb despite the fact that they only do around 300 damage per orb and is countered with a cham rune and max resists. That's why orb sorcs have a bad rep orelse they are good duelers.
PnB necros require a lot of skill to play well, same with a fireball sorc. But Liberators are generally the best for pub duels and are not all that difficult to learn.
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