Help!!!

[Kamahl]

So im thinking of making a wwsin for caster killing but i cant decide whether i should use enigma or bramble? So i did some number crunching,and I figured Id ask you guys to see what setup had more benifits.

With Bramble Venom dmng would be 2029-2064 and I would get 700 life(this is at lvl 80 im only taking into account stat pts / tome quest/bird quest , no items ,or charms ,or bo).

With Enigma Venom dmng would be 1475-1500 and I would get 820 life (this is at lvl 80 im only taking into account stat pts / tome quest/bird quest , no items ,or charms ,or bo).

[qazxswcde]

bramble ofcourse dtalon better then tele for pvp imo but ww sins suck. anyone with any defense minion stack well win every time and they can stacked against

[Phyrexial]

Teleport from Enigma is far superior to Dragon Flight (tele kick) for caster killing. Anyone that thinks a Bramble sin will beat a good caster is out of their mind or simply haven't faced any real caster competition. If you are going for an anti caster then Enigma is a must. Bramble is fine if you are going pure to be anti-melee but for anti-caster Enigma.

Flight misfires too much to be reliable, will generally target any summons that your opponent has before it targets the actual player, and lastly the time between when a Dflight hits and when you can start WWing seems to be alot longer than the time between a tele and when you can start WWing.

In my opinion, there is no reason to go Bramble as an anti-caster WW sin. If anyone on East NL doubts me, I will kill any Bramble sin you put in front of me with my necro. From experience, only very good Enigma WW sins stand a chance against me and there have only been 2 that have actually beaten me.

[Speederländer]

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use enigma for caster killers. There is no debate at all. The extra damage from bramble doesn't even come close to the advantages gained from enigma.

[Runesi]

I wouldn't suggest this build against Sorcs though. They're fcr can be top notch and you'll be teleing way too slow especially with melee gear on even with wearing enigma.

[Speederländer]

I wouldn't suggest this build against Sorcs though. They're fcr can be top notch and you'll be teleing way too slow especially with melee gear on even with wearing enigma.

That's why you wear anti-caster gear acording to the many many posts on anti-caster ww-sins and kickers on this web-site and get the 65 fcr breakpoint. You don't have to be AS FAST as the sorc, just fast enough.

[Speederländer]

From experience, only very good Enigma WW sins stand a chance against me and there have only been 2 that have actually beaten me.

If you were on west ladder, you could add an enigma kicker to that list. :p

[Runesi]

I highly doubt a wwsin can win against a decked out fcr orber. They just tele and orb right into you. Too bad I'm on USEast NL. =/. I really wanna see a wwsin beat a sorc. That'll put a print in my mind saying that fcr doesn't matter that much. =)

[Speederländer]

I highly doubt a wwsin can win against a decked out fcr orber.

WW-sin can do it, kicker can do it. My kicker has 3900 life, 86 FHR, 63% block, level 43 venom, 1200 physical kick, 65 fast cast with tele, max res all around with stack, 7/3/3/3/3 kicks, solid stun from maxed out mindblast with WoF, 66% OW on each hit and 10K AR standard. Only the most HYPER-defensive orbers can hold better than 50%, and then I would still put it at 50% or better for me most of the time.

[TheGreatDivorce]

Enigma for casters, Bramble for WW Sin vs. WW Sin.

[amob]

WW-sin can do it, kicker can do it. My kicker has 3900 life, 86 FHR, 63% block, level 43 venom, 1200 physical kick, 65 fast cast with tele, max res all around with stack, 7/3/3/3/3 kicks, solid stun from maxed out mindblast with WoF, 66% OW on each hit and 10K AR standard. Only the most HYPER-defensive orbers can hold better than 50%, and then I would still put it at 50% or better for me most of the time.
defensive duels are no fun :(
but are you on uswest sc nl?

[Phyrexial]

If you were on west ladder, you could add an enigma kicker to that list. :p
I can borrow a Necro on West if you were NL, too bad. Definetly interested to see a good kicker. ;)


I highly doubt a wwsin can win against a decked out fcr orber. They just tele and orb right into you. Too bad I'm on USEast NL. =/. I really wanna see a wwsin beat a sorc. That'll put a print in my mind saying that fcr doesn't matter that much. =)
What is your account name? I'll point a very nice WW sin in your direction to show you what it can do to an orber.

[Kamahl]

i want help with makeing a choice between enigma or bramble not have u morons spam my thread with useless crap

[Phyrexial]

i want help with makeing a choice between enigma or bramble not have u morons spam my thread with useless crap
1) You got plenty of on-topic replies already.
2) You're the one asking for our advice, please take that into account when pointing your finger and calling people morons.
3) stfu?
4) Enigma is the way to go.